Re: Launch WPrefs by default via the primary dock button (was: Defaul dockapps on distros)
On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 at 0:23:41 +, SJS wrote: The problem statement, as I understand it, is that there's not enough cool stuff readily accessible on a default installation from a major distribution to get the attention of the ADD crowd. It's not cool stuff. I worry about two things only. Mounting external media and connecting to a wireless network. And I see a lot of people spreading wrong information about this, that if you use wmaker you have to give up the confort of an easy way to do that. That's why I wrote the advertisement on www.windowmaker.org/docs.php And the only reason I care about this is because I think it might help attracting a few new users. But hey, it seems difficult to convince others about this. And that's not something that I can solve myself. So I'll stop now. -- To unsubscribe, send mail to wmaker-dev-unsubscr...@lists.windowmaker.org.
Re: Launch WPrefs by default via the primary dock button (was: Defaul dockapps on distros)
On Sat, 18 Feb 2012, Paul Seelig wrote: On 02/18/2012 12:23 PM, Kamil Rytarowski wrote: - change the behaviour of the About GNUStep button, and pick there the configuration (one free space for a dock) +1 Using the primary dock button for launching WPrefs shold definitely be the overall default already on source code level! This is thwe way it is also configured for the Window Maker Live CD. Unfortunately i don't speak C, so i can't send in any usable patch myself. If we want to be true to the NeXT interface then the first icon in the dock should bring up a file manager (like the Finder icon in OS X). The Preferences.app was opened by the clock/calendar icon (which is not that intuitive but this is how NeXT used to be). In OS X the calendar icon more intuitively brings up iCal and the preferences utility has a separate icon on the dock. Since Window Maker aims to recreate the NeXT user interface these could be considered before redefining the meaning of these icons in the dock. About including default dock apps in distros, I think it can be tricky because everyone prefers different dockapps. (For example, I'd add wmnd to control network interfaces.) If some default set is included then they should be Suggests instead of Requires if the packaging system supports that (rpm and dpkg does) because they are really optional. Regards, BALATON Zoltan -- To unsubscribe, send mail to wmaker-dev-unsubscr...@lists.windowmaker.org.
Re: Launch WPrefs by default via the primary dock button (was: Defaul dockapps on distros)
On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 at 12:14:30 +0100, BALATON Zoltan wrote: About including default dock apps in distros, I think it can be tricky because everyone prefers different dockapps. (For example, I'd add wmnd to control network interfaces.) If some default set is included then they should be Suggests instead of Requires if the packaging system supports that (rpm and dpkg does) because they are really optional. Everybody has their own preferences and that's OK. But what really makes me sad about the default minimalistic approach is that it makes it harder for other people to try wmaker. I see people saying yeah, ok, it's a nice and clean interface and I like it, but the easiness to mount my external media makes me go back to GNOME. In the recent slashdot news there was a guy saying just that in the comments and helping spread this misinformation. Want one more example, a well-known news site in Brazil also had a news about it and there was also a guy in the comments saying just that. See the post here: http://br-linux.org/2012/windowmaker-tem-seu-desenvolvimento-retomado/ and notice how the screenshot is apparently the default setup, no clock, no mixer no nothing, which just helps these prejudices to grow. And that just makes me sad, because distros could be more useful in setting up a decent wmaker for a decent user experience. Stuborn and hacky people will always find their way to enlightenment, but others give up. I'd just like to help these people a bit, because more users mean more people interested and eventually more people fixing things. I wrote a piece in www.windowmaker.org/docs.php trying to draw attention to this, I hope it will be noticed :-) -- To unsubscribe, send mail to wmaker-dev-unsubscr...@lists.windowmaker.org.
