Re: something from EDx in HongKong
I heard him speak about this at the last (and final) Incubation; he gave me a disk w/ a video illustrating it. It's fascinating, amazing data reorganization/management, but a bit difficult I think and it didn't seem quite ready for release. He dances furiously well - Alan On Fri, 25 Nov 2005, Bj?rn Magnhild?en wrote: someone ever tried using ted nelson's zigzag hypertext for wryting? it's of any dimension, but then more difficult to comprehend and view as a whole? http://xanadu.com/zigzag/ On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:25:14 +0100, phanero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK, this a 3D poem generator, you've seen it before, but I was updating some old files and I got some new ideas. I'd like your opinion. I can make this fairly sophisticated, but if it is useless, I'd like to know why. ... ( URLs/DVDs/CDroms/books/etc. see http://www.asondheim.org/advert.txt - revised 7/05 )
Re: something from EDx in HongKong
someone ever tried using ted nelson's zigzag hypertext for wryting? it's of any dimension, but then more difficult to comprehend and view as a whole? http://xanadu.com/zigzag/ On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:25:14 +0100, phanero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK, this a 3D poem generator, you've seen it before, but I was updating some old files and I got some new ideas. I'd like your opinion. I can make this fairly sophisticated, but if it is useless, I'd like to know why. ...
Re: something from EDx in HongKong
Odd there's another Ed with similar background I knew now in Europe I think War Games was based on him - alan ( URLs/DVDs/CDroms/books/etc. see http://www.asondheim.org/advert.txt - revised 7/05 )
Re: something from EDx in HongKong
Ed is actually something of a genius programmer. His expertise is OGL or some such. We used to do alot of experimental programs. He sets up his own extensions everything which you have to manually register. Most of his stuff is all for NT though, so probably not too artistically hip.. He has already designed 3d documents which are editable from the web, like a 3d wiki with tools like a rude photoshop.. he did that years ago.. we were playing with Animated 3d wikis in 97.. then he just goes back to drinking and having orgies with HK or Cambodian hookers.. He's older than you alan.. He was a child prodigy, a hardcore communist, an alchemical communist graduated highschool at 12 or something.. does calculus in his head.. a victim of drug alchemy i suppose, but sagely in his way.. an old friend.. We'll see if he ports something or not.. - Original Message - From: "Alan Sondheim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: Re: something from EDx in HongKong If the other image is form the software, terrific! absolutely! Is there a way to make 2 such images slightly out of phase/color for 3d? - Alan On Mon, 21 Nov 2005, phanero wrote: OK, this a 3D poem generator, you've seen it before, but I was updating some old files and I got some new ideas. I'd like your opinion. I can make this fairly sophisticated, but if it is useless, I'd like to know why. (I'm crossing Jessica on this because she is a language scholar.) Basically, this app will allow you to intertwine strings of text in a 3DSpace. The 3DSpace in which the text is written can be a static world - a panorama - which doesn't change. You Lanny, created half the panoramas I'm using for testing, using SkyBox. But a true 3D world can be created for the text to live in. (like a real 3D world, as in a game like Doom3 or Half-Life2). This can be done using 3DSMAX or Maya or any similar app, but this app is designed to be used by holographic poets, and is much easier to use, because only poetry/prose options are available. This app will make it quick and easy to design a 3D document. What is a 3D Document? It's like a 2D Document, except you can rotate it, and it exists in a volume rather than on a plane. Imagine a huge sphere rather than a flat piece of paper. Say you begin to compose a poem at the center of sphere, on a flat plane, then you want your next line to be behind the first line. OK, translate the line -10 or so in Z, easy. But now you want some text 90degrees to the plane of the paper. Can't do that in MSWord. So you create a cube of text, one passage one each face of the cube. You can have multiple cubes, each inside of each other, or displaced from each other. Like say you have 3 cubes of text. You can place them side by side like 3 monkeys, or one inside the other. My demo software already does this. But suppose you want a cylindrical poem? Or suppose you want a scattered field of spherical text, like a starfield of text? Suppose you want to use pictures in your poem? Suppose you want to want to write the text on the geometry spirally, or vertically, or horizontally (horizontal L to R is the default). My software can to do this with one click of a button. Suppose you want to write text upon a Platonic Solid? Or any other arbitrary geometry. It can be done, but I haven't one it yet. Now for a new thing. As you know, I spent 3 or more years working on 3D text. So the characters in our words can be 3D. Also, our words can undulate in space, like snakes moving. Well, tell me what you think. Should I write this app? OH, I forgot one thing, pictures, effects, 3DObjects can be included in the poem. But can anyone write a poem with such a tool? Before you answer, let me give you a simple example of a poem written with this tool. A Sun explodes and "The End" appears fixed on the screen as the sun falls in pieces out of the screen. Then the words "The End" turn into a magnet, drawing the lost parts of the dead sun back. And the words change to "0", then to a new sun. But that is using the animation functions. I'm so sorry for all the nonsense I write, but I have looked back (at my sketches) and discovered that I produce an equal measure of good and bad. The bad stuff is very embarrassing, but the good stuff is as equally good. I don't know what to think of this. Of course I destroy all the bad stuff, but when I take a another go at producing a new Understanding, it works the same way. And I feel shamed and famed. ( URLs/DVDs/CDroms/books/etc. see http://www.asondheim.org/advert.txt - revised 7/05 )
Re: something from EDx in HongKong
If the other image is form the software, terrific! absolutely! Is there a way to make 2 such images slightly out of phase/color for 3d? - Alan On Mon, 21 Nov 2005, phanero wrote: OK, this a 3D poem generator, you've seen it before, but I was updating some old files and I got some new ideas. I'd like your opinion. I can make this fairly sophisticated, but if it is useless, I'd like to know why. (I'm crossing Jessica on this because she is a language scholar.) Basically, this app will allow you to intertwine strings of text in a 3DSpace. The 3DSpace in which the text is written can be a static world - a panorama - which doesn't change. You Lanny, created half the panoramas I'm using for testing, using SkyBox. But a true 3D world can be created for the text to live in. (like a real 3D world, as in a game like Doom3 or Half-Life2). This can be done using 3DSMAX or Maya or any similar app, but this app is designed to be used by holographic poets, and is much easier to use, because only poetry/prose options are available. This app will make it quick and easy to design a 3D document. What is a 3D Document? It's like a 2D Document, except you can rotate it, and it exists in a volume rather than on a plane. Imagine a huge sphere rather than a flat piece of paper. Say you begin to compose a poem at the center of sphere, on a flat plane, then you want your next line to be behind the first line. OK, translate the line -10 or so in Z, easy. But now you want some text 90degrees to the plane of the paper. Can't do that in MSWord. So you create a cube of text, one passage one each face of the cube. You can have multiple cubes, each inside of each other, or displaced from each other. Like say you have 3 cubes of text. You can place them side by side like 3 monkeys, or one inside the other. My demo software already does this. But suppose you want a cylindrical poem? Or suppose you want a scattered field of spherical text, like a starfield of text? Suppose you want to use pictures in your poem? Suppose you want to want to write the text on the geometry spirally, or vertically, or horizontally (horizontal L to R is the default). My software can to do this with one click of a button. Suppose you want to write text upon a Platonic Solid? Or any other arbitrary geometry. It can be done, but I haven't one it yet. Now for a new thing. As you know, I spent 3 or more years working on 3D text. So the characters in our words can be 3D. Also, our words can undulate in space, like snakes moving. Well, tell me what you think. Should I write this app? OH, I forgot one thing, pictures, effects, 3DObjects can be included in the poem. But can anyone write a poem with such a tool? Before you answer, let me give you a simple example of a poem written with this tool. A Sun explodes and "The End" appears fixed on the screen as the sun falls in pieces out of the screen. Then the words "The End" turn into a magnet, drawing the lost parts of the dead sun back. And the words change to "0", then to a new sun. But that is using the animation functions. I'm so sorry for all the nonsense I write, but I have looked back (at my sketches) and discovered that I produce an equal measure of good and bad. The bad stuff is very embarrassing, but the good stuff is as equally good. I don't know what to think of this. Of course I destroy all the bad stuff, but when I take a another go at producing a new Understanding, it works the same way. And I feel shamed and famed. ( URLs/DVDs/CDroms/books/etc. see http://www.asondheim.org/advert.txt - revised 7/05 )
something from EDx in HongKong
OK, this a 3D poem generator, you've seen it before, but I was updating some old files and I got some new ideas. I'd like your opinion. I can make this fairly sophisticated, but if it is useless, I'd like to know why. (I'm crossing Jessica on this because she is a language scholar.) Basically, this app will allow you to intertwine strings of text in a 3DSpace. The 3DSpace in which the text is written can be a static world - a panorama - which doesn't change. You Lanny, created half the panoramas I'm using for testing, using SkyBox. But a true 3D world can be created for the text to live in. (like a real 3D world, as in a game like Doom3 or Half-Life2). This can be done using 3DSMAX or Maya or any similar app, but this app is designed to be used by holographic poets, and is much easier to use, because only poetry/prose options are available. This app will make it quick and easy to design a 3D document. What is a 3D Document? It's like a 2D Document, except you can rotate it, and it exists in a volume rather than on a plane. Imagine a huge sphere rather than a flat piece of paper. Say you begin to compose a poem at the center of sphere, on a flat plane, then you want your next line to be behind the first line. OK, translate the line -10 or so in Z, easy. But now you want some text 90degrees to the plane of the paper. Can't do that in MSWord. So you create a cube of text, one passage one each face of the cube. You can have multiple cubes, each inside of each other, or displaced from each other. Like say you have 3 cubes of text. You can place them side by side like 3 monkeys, or one inside the other. My demo software already does this. But suppose you want a cylindrical poem? Or suppose you want a scattered field of spherical text, like a starfield of text? Suppose you want to use pictures in your poem? Suppose you want to want to write the text on the geometry spirally, or vertically, or horizontally (horizontal L to R is the default). My software can to do this with one click of a button. Suppose you want to write text upon a Platonic Solid? Or any other arbitrary geometry. It can be done, but I haven't one it yet. Now for a new thing. As you know, I spent 3 or more years working on 3D text. So the characters in our words can be 3D. Also, our words can undulate in space, like snakes moving. Well, tell me what you think. Should I write this app? OH, I forgot one thing, pictures, effects, 3DObjects can be included in the poem. But can anyone write a poem with such a tool? Before you answer, let me give you a simple example of a poem written with this tool. A Sun explodes and "The End" appears fixed on the screen as the sun falls in pieces out of the screen. Then the words "The End" turn into a magnet, drawing the lost parts of the dead sun back. And the words change to "0", then to a new sun. But that is using the animation functions. I'm so sorry for all the nonsense I write, but I have looked back (at my sketches) and discovered that I produce an equal measure of good and bad. The bad stuff is very embarrassing, but the good stuff is as equally good. I don't know what to think of this. Of course I destroy all the bad stuff, but when I take a another go at producing a new Understanding, it works the same way. And I feel shamed and famed.