Re: meingness Re: dimension me
i have shared meingness... meanness with david u... Some soundness would relate resound... deafened, would i beat on you drums? ...misunderstanding chords are taught... and the cords would... that song would stretch in my raised voice in an out of line line... i am on eclectic string in kite charge... pray I for justice... mercy me... grant not meingness... surely measure out mercy and goodness and wit that weights being... my blocking wisdom who wears... of the crown consciousness which my philosopher comforts... and curiosity challenges my elfing embrace... can evasive imagination ever? is there enough too much there for me beyond i myself to escape would be selfness? on 9/8/06 4:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have i shared meingness with u... not meanness... david meingness MEINGNESS Would I escape Myself to be beyond Selfness? Is ever, there, there enough for me, too much? Can Imagination embrace my evasive Elfing Curiosity comforts and challenges Which philosopher wears the crown of my Consciousness Who weights that Wit and Wisdom blocking my Being Surely, Goodness and Mercy out-measure Meingness I pray not for Justice Grant me mercy. Am I in line, on line, out of string an eclectic kite in charge Would that my Voice raised in song would stretch The cords and chords are taught Misunderstanding Would I beat you, on deafened drums? Would Resound some Soundness relate ¿fourteen lines in a sonnet? david inkey, march 8, 03 -- Bob There is a foolish corner in the brain of the wisest man. - Aristotle
marcacci Re: meingness Re: dimension me
dear bob, what a magical counterpost to my meinging...david it is a long stretch from beijing to rio.but a friend in rio did a nice job of assembling my various poesis-es.u have my permission to mandarinize the poem of life..Click Here: Check out "David Inkey" i met the poem of life… this night, quite quietly alone, when i left aside the guilds of strife. i met the poem of life… each menace does require some penance, and each eve, many would me deceive… with wit I reply, i wish not to hear your lie… ever grateful that my day's daze is but a brief phrase, when each night's knight whispers some praise, then, i do believe i find quiet reprieve, with modest shadows my self i do cover when i discover, i grow in beauty, as beauty would glow in me… the poem of life nights me… am i to dream as a shining night? some glistening stardust caught in humane form… reformed, dis-aster being distance from my star afar… this night, quite quietly alone, when i left aside the guilds of strife. i met the poem of life…
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In a message dated 9/9/06 1:40:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bob Marcacci By all evidence we are in the world to do nothing. - Emile M. Cioran methinks perchance we are here to play on shakespeare's emply stage.meingingfully. david I W I L L P L A Y I N T H E P A R K Half a hundred years ago and half a decade more, I learned to be something very special to myself. I learned to express a precious will without undue or overdue willfullness. My parents saw my older brothers in school and "worried" about what I would do. With their best of intentions--and parents always have best of intentions--showing like some Sunday, Depression Era Grand Finery they decided I needed to be in a thrice weekly half-day kindergarten. I went. I WAS SENT! Or, was I delivered? I despaired, despaired, despaired. I despaired. I despaired. I despaired. I despaired. I despaired. I despaired, despaired. I despaired and despaired. Whether I was distraught a dozen times over or more will never be known, but we know I was unhappy! Dante may well have had a sign above the Entry to Hell, saying "Abandon all hope all ye who enter here." Because I could not read I will never know what signs or cosigns the school used nor will I ever know how many hours I endured there. My parents died before I thought of asking this historical item. All I know from that time till this is that I prevailed upon Mom and Dad to "release me." They queried, "What will you do?" What would I do if I stayed in the school? What would I do if I got out? "What would I do?" In those days toward the end of The Great Depression, in my uppermiddle class, Episcopal priestly family, I had to have a highly credible reply. I had one reply which I did not have even to premeditate. I had one reply and to this day I believe that God was on my side and I was on His... I said "I will play in The Park" GOD had blessed the Episcopal Church in Sunnyside, Washington, with a Church, Parish Hall and Rectory on the southeast corner of The Town Park.. In a town of 2,300 souls dispersed among 18 congregations, The Episcopalians occupied what in Monopoly I had already recognized as Park Place. The Park itself was the most valuable piece of property in town, to my way of thinking and thus qualified as Boardwalk Grace descended upon me like the Dove from Heaven when John met Jesus. I was freed from my not kind-er, not gardened kindergarten. The rest of my book is the fact and fictive story of my pilgrimage through childhood and adolescence and adulthood into my sixties. Henry David Thoreau was one of my earliest unacquainted friends... Had I been acquainted then with his great message of intent, I would have told my parents, "I am going to The Park to learn what is the purpose of education so that when I come to die I might not lament that I had never lived and learned free of scholastic servitude." Had I been so "something or other" to have had such a ready reply, I probably would have been sent to The Sunnyside Town Jail for the night to do penanced piety against pig-tail pulling in Sunday School--not on pigs--or against crimes of chewing gum in Church. As it was, permission to have an extra year of unencumbered childhood was granted and I have had a richer life pilgrimage thereby for all the other years. The gully, bridges, bushes, trees and flowers, picnic benches and tables, the swimming pool, gas stoves, sinks, birds, bugs, snowflakes and sun, rain and rainbows, clouds and clowning, hobos, imaginary friends, neighbors, townspeople and Mr. T., the cherished town gardener became my teachers and curriculum. I suppose I was Nature's and Nurture's best and worst student then. Through the glistening clouds of Memory and up and down the lovely lanes of Meandering, I was not the best nor the worst. I won the freedom to be Me. Once upon a time, long, long ago and far, far away, long, long ago almost to the far edge of Memory I was a kinder garden drop out, ME!
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Re: Groovie Moovie Math
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Re: POPULAR HORSEWOMAN
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Re: Misused Intelligence
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Re: Misused Intelligence
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Peter, brilliant. SheilJoel Weishaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. This is worthwhile studying.-Joel- Original Message - From: Martha Deed To: WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.WVU.EDU Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Misused Intelligencestunning evocative piece - Original Message - From: Peter Ciccariello To: WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.WVU.EDU Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 1:12 PM Subject: Misused IntelligenceMisused Intelligence-- Peter CiccarielloImage - http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ Word - http://poemsfromprovidence.blogspot.com/
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does the dazzzling dose of peter precocious precision predicate misused intelligence, skill that might have been "spent" to invent well used, non abused INTELLIGENCE...where is the VISION? 'tis beautifu david
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Re: Groovie Moovie Math
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Re: Groovie Moovie Math
Thanks for the words, D^! It’s a welcome relief from every other email telling me I need to have my colon cleansed. m On Sep 9, 2006, at 1:45 PM, david divizio wrote: so de-serving congrats, mwp D^ --- mpalmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try this, I changed movie type to a MP4: http://mwp.jaycloidt.com/MPMOV2006/Monocx2006.htm m On Sep 9, 2006, at 8:16 AM, phanero wrote: crashes my browser.. browses my crash.. - Original Message - From: mpalmer To: WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.WVU.EDU Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 9:54 PM Subject: Groovie Moovie Math Groovie Moovie Math 2006 http://mwp.jaycloidt.com/MPMOV2006/Monoc2006.htm (HTML + QUICKTIME, 740KB, silent, continuous loop.) mwp d^Vizio __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: GUERRILLA SUBSTITUTIONS
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Re: awake bitter seed (i.m. F.G.)
these symbol/icons are spectacular... I could see a whole piece done with them... maybe interactive in flash... I'm a sucker for simple designs which present endless combinations.~mIEKALOn Sep 6, 2006, at 5:54 PM, Dirk Vekemans wrote:
Re: Groovie Moovie Math
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allen, the pitch of the perch....
the pitch of the perchfor allenfrom david With death, love does not die… With death, love does not die, We cry tears of deep grief for our own relief, Memory is a bridge cresting on a special ridge, With death, love does not die… In each life sentence, Let us find time for repentance… Sorrow we need not borrow, Each other’s joy we may employ,
Re: dimension me
you are now officially dis veered
Re: damage by a metal-clad tip
This rushes along with startling clarity. Thanks for this one Allen.-Peter CiccarielloOn 9/9/06, Allen Bramhall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:when I say dad, the stem of the mountain waves. English is a perch, but is the perch a fish? is a fish a word over and above how I remember dadas dad? questions result in sunken parts of speech, and then I rememberthat the wind blew like something straight. that straightness, it is so Red Chinese, when you think that Tibet once had a nation. but nationsaren't terrific, they are involved. the US arrived in the nick of time,a nick that this US incurred overnight. night was on top of themountain, or near enough. you think air is precious? try 28,000 feet, and the complete cartoon. I'm in this tent that's very coffin-like: Ilike to use my imagination. my dad is dead in what I call the recentpast. my mother is long gone, an echo when I stop to dream. air is thin. everything seems deadly, except then I repeat some mantra that exists inpartial time. partial expectation, partial bodyweight, partial documentwhile waiting. the mountain's stem wobbles with center. a dusting of rain can't penetrate the memory that would get me thru the night, here,in this document. rain has frozen into total plausibility. a personcould structure properly to the top of this so called tallest thing. one could leave the mountain, eventually. this story becomes a story, like aride off a cliff into the complete doze of a mounain full of snow. snowwants to stay. the sun finds crucial extension and bursting into song. some semi-trillionth of a second lets some vulture-goaded Big Bangextend to the point of matter. grim glaciers lope over the tops ofimpressive mountains, like that's going to bring John Lennon back. it'sno longer the John Lennon that fits the space, it is Paris Hilton. and this Paris Hilton is on fire, literal filling of flames that lick allthe dishes that she has ever eaten from. she's Tom Cruise and she sinksinto snow. snow means something, someday. dad wants to be goodbye, but I won't let him. mom too. my reflexes turned professional.
