[WSG] variable column heights
One thing I can't quite seem to work out - if I have two s floating next to each other - two columns say, both with 1 pixel outlines - how can I get the column heights to match if they have different amounts of content? I've got a horrible feeling I'm asking something *really* obvious ... -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] PDA Browser Testing
Thanks all for your help! >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/01/04 12:29:43 >>> Umm - actually, if you're connected to the 'net on your Palm, you can enter a URL and browse away to your heart's content (Channels menu -> Open Page...). from memory the main restriction is that it requires an HTML meta tag in the header of the document to tell it that it will be able to display the page; other than that, it is a browser in it's own right, and can handle a fair amount of the stuff that a normal browser can (albeit *much* smaller on a Palm screen :) Beau // -Original Message- // From: Miles Tillinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] // Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 9:23 AM // To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Subject: RE: [WSG] PDA Browser Testing // // // // AvantGo only allows you to sync with various websites that // provide an AvantGo feed. AvantGo is not a browser, it just uses // the browser on your devices OS to display your AvantGo channels, AFAIK. // // -Original Message- // From: Beau Lebens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] // Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:32 AM // To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Subject: RE: [WSG] PDA Browser Testing // // // // // And also this one for Palm OS5 simulator, not sure if this // has a browser // // to test with though // // http://www.palmos.com/dev/tools/simulator/ // // If you can get that working, then you can install AvantGo // (http://www.avantgo.com/) which will provide you with browser // functionality, // and as far as I'm aware that would be the most popular browser for Palm // devices. With that installed, you can get it to browse content via your // computer's connection. // // Beau // // // * // The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ // * // // * // The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ // * // // // * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * This transmission is for the intended addresse only. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it and notify the sender. The contents of this E-Mail are the opinion of the author only and are not necessarily endorsed by the New South Wales Department of Corrective Services. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] good coding app
I can absolutely vouch for jEdit which I'm using to write PHP, HTML, CSS, SQL, etc ..., on Mac OS X 10.2.8 on a B/W G3, so a system already on the slow side. It's performance is somewhat slow (again on my already slow system) for some things e.g. for scrolling through a large document, but once you get to know the features and integrate the plugins available your speed increases in other ways. After using it I find features like folding (closing and expanding indented blocks of code like an outliner) seriously lacking in the Mac alternatives. You'll also find that features you miss from other editors are actually available in one form or another in jEdit. There's a Mac OS X package at http://www.jedit.org/ The wiki http://community.jedit.org/cgi-bin/TWiki/view/Main/ is useful especially: http://community.jedit.org/cgi-bin/TWiki/view/Main/PluginsOverview as a guide to recommended plugins. http://www.rasterweb.net/raster/code/index.html also has a few nice things e.g. prepared html/xhtml templates, xhtml tags for the Clipper plugin, etc... also in in http://www.rasterweb.net/raster/code/src/jedit/ I'd recommend the following plugins: Project Viewer Templates Clipper XML Indenter Includes Parser ...as just a phew It also has macro features like a color picker, etc... phew, I could go on... Also if you're doing any Actionscript 2 work this http://voisen.org/archives/mac_os_x/000366.php#more may interest you. Nick Universal Head wrote: Can I ask what people use as their coding app? I'm demoing BBEdit but there are some things I find annoying about it. Sometimes I use GoLive in source view, and for CSS I'm using John's Style Master more and more. But are there any other good options? (I'm on a Mac). JEdit I hear is also pretty good, one of the guys at sydphp gives it a thumbs up, but it is built using Java, so it may not be as responsive as BBEdit. It has a very very large range of plugins for tidying code, and has syntax highlighting and support for over 90 filetypes. It's also GPL so it's free, and you're allowed (actually encouraged) to contribute to it's development. http://www.jedit.org/ Hope this isn't OT. I think we are on the border. -- /-- \ |Adam Carmichael, A+, 2xMCP (Windows 2000), Cert IV Helpdesk Admin | |[EMAIL PROTECTED] /( _,-,_ )\ _| |_ /,|| | |#1 Computer Services \`/ \'/ _| |_|| | |BSD/UNIX Network Engineer\ /o\ /o\ /| |_||_ | \-- / * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] PDA Browser Testing
Umm - actually, if you're connected to the 'net on your Palm, you can enter a URL and browse away to your heart's content (Channels menu -> Open Page...). from memory the main restriction is that it requires an HTML meta tag in the header of the document to tell it that it will be able to display the page; other than that, it is a browser in it's own right, and can handle a fair amount of the stuff that a normal browser can (albeit *much* smaller on a Palm screen :) Beau // -Original Message- // From: Miles Tillinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] // Sent: Friday, 9 January 2004 9:23 AM // To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Subject: RE: [WSG] PDA Browser Testing // // // // AvantGo only allows you to sync with various websites that // provide an AvantGo feed. AvantGo is not a browser, it just uses // the browser on your devices OS to display your AvantGo channels, AFAIK. // // -Original Message- // From: Beau Lebens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] // Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:32 AM // To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Subject: RE: [WSG] PDA Browser Testing // // // // // And also this one for Palm OS5 simulator, not sure if this // has a browser // // to test with though // // http://www.palmos.com/dev/tools/simulator/ // // If you can get that working, then you can install AvantGo // (http://www.avantgo.com/) which will provide you with browser // functionality, // and as far as I'm aware that would be the most popular browser for Palm // devices. With that installed, you can get it to browse content via your // computer's connection. // // Beau // // // * // The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ // * // // * // The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ // * // // // * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] PDA Browser Testing
AvantGo only allows you to sync with various websites that provide an AvantGo feed. AvantGo is not a browser, it just uses the browser on your devices OS to display your AvantGo channels, AFAIK. -Original Message- From: Beau Lebens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] PDA Browser Testing // And also this one for Palm OS5 simulator, not sure if this has a browser // to test with though // http://www.palmos.com/dev/tools/simulator/ If you can get that working, then you can install AvantGo (http://www.avantgo.com/) which will provide you with browser functionality, and as far as I'm aware that would be the most popular browser for Palm devices. With that installed, you can get it to browse content via your computer's connection. Beau * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] PDA Browser Testing
// And also this one for Palm OS5 simulator, not sure if this has a browser // to test with though // http://www.palmos.com/dev/tools/simulator/ If you can get that working, then you can install AvantGo (http://www.avantgo.com/) which will provide you with browser functionality, and as far as I'm aware that would be the most popular browser for Palm devices. With that installed, you can get it to browse content via your computer's connection. Beau * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] PDA Browser Testing
Emulators are very misleading as the browser rendering engine differs, they are best suited for application testing. Front end should always be checked on a device. If the site is for Pocket IE, perhaps check it on a browser with JS and CSS support turned off and resize window to 208x320. However the current crop of PDA type devices emerging this year XDA2, TREO, Ericsson P900 now have included support for CSS and some JS. If you wanted a quick check done on a site contact me and I could send on a screenshot. heres some sites I find usefull. http://www.pocketpcmag.com/Mar02/small_web.asp http://www.pocketpcdn.com/sections/pie.html http://www.flashenabled.com/ www.pocketpc.com/ Colm - Original Message - From: "Miles Tillinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:54 AM Subject: RE: [WSG] PDA Browser Testing There is the MS Pocket PC development kit which includes an emulator, but I'm not sure if that is going to help you. What you need is something that emulates Pocket IE and Palm OS browsers etc. and I've never been able to find one. Maybe you could rent a PDA for a little while? gl. Miles. -Original Message- From: Ralph Mazzitelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] PDA Browser Testing Hi everyone.. I'm about to do some testing for a website and curious to see how it looks through a PDA. My major problem is I don't have a PDA to test with.. Do does anyone know if there is a free PDA "emulator" I could use for a Windows PC? Many thanks! Ralph This transmission is for the intended addresse only. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it and notify the sender. The contents of this E-Mail are the opinion of the author only and are not necessarily endorsed by the New South Wales Department of Corrective Services. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] good coding app
I use Visual Slick Edit and Eclipse with the Web Studio plugin. Code hinting is not really useful for HTML but very handy for java and C/C++. ChrisB * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] PDA Browser Testing
-- --I'm about to do some testing for a website and curious to see how it looks through a PDA. My major problem --is I don't have a PDA to test with.. -- --Do does anyone know if there is a free PDA "emulator" I could use for a Windows PC? I was looking for one of these as well, I found this nokia page for mobile browser testing http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/1,6566,034-13,00.html And also this one for Palm OS5 simulator, not sure if this has a browser to test with though http://www.palmos.com/dev/tools/simulator/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] good coding app
I've been using UltraEdit for years and still have not found anything that allows me to work as comfortably as it does. Like others have said, I don't like the code hinting stuff - it just gets in my way. Gary Menzel Web Development Manager IT Operations Brisbane -+- ABN AMRO Morgans Limited Level 29, 123 Eagle Street BRISBANE QLD 4000 PH: 07 333 44 828 FX: 07 3834 0828 If this communication is not intended for you and you are not an authorised recipient of this email you are prohibited by law from dealing with or relying on the email or any file attachments. This prohibition includes reading, printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, storing or in any other way dealing or acting in reliance on the information. If you have received this email in error, we request you contact ABN AMRO Morgans Limited immediately by returning the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and destroy the original. We will refund any reasonable costs associated with notifying ABN AMRO Morgans. This email is confidential and may contain privileged client information. ABN AMRO Morgans has taken reasonable steps to ensure the accuracy and integrity of all its communications, including electronic communications, but accepts no liability for materials transmitted. Materials may also be transmitted without the knowledge of ABN AMRO Morgans. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited its directors and employees do not accept liability for the results of any actions taken or not on the basis of the information in this report. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited and its associates hold or may hold securities in the companies/trusts mentioned herein. Any recommendation is made on the basis of our research of the investment and may not suit the specific requirements of clients. Assessments of suitability to an individual?s portfolio can only be made after an examination of the particular client?s investments, financial circumstances and requirements. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] PDA Browser Testing
There is the MS Pocket PC development kit which includes an emulator, but I'm not sure if that is going to help you. What you need is something that emulates Pocket IE and Palm OS browsers etc. and I've never been able to find one. Maybe you could rent a PDA for a little while? gl. Miles. -Original Message- From: Ralph Mazzitelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] PDA Browser Testing Hi everyone.. I'm about to do some testing for a website and curious to see how it looks through a PDA. My major problem is I don't have a PDA to test with.. Do does anyone know if there is a free PDA "emulator" I could use for a Windows PC? Many thanks! Ralph This transmission is for the intended addresse only. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it and notify the sender. The contents of this E-Mail are the opinion of the author only and are not necessarily endorsed by the New South Wales Department of Corrective Services. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] PDA Browser Testing
Hi everyone.. I'm about to do some testing for a website and curious to see how it looks through a PDA. My major problem is I don't have a PDA to test with.. Do does anyone know if there is a free PDA "emulator" I could use for a Windows PC? Many thanks! Ralph This transmission is for the intended addresse only. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it and notify the sender. The contents of this E-Mail are the opinion of the author only and are not necessarily endorsed by the New South Wales Department of Corrective Services. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] good coding app
Homesite (+ topstyle if I'm stuck). Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] good coding app
Notepad vi in console mode PHPEd v2 EditCSS extension for Firebird is brilliant altho doesn't support css in https://... pages HTH James * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] good coding app
On 8-Jan-04, at 7:17 AM, Justin French wrote: BBEdit Lite here for everything -- HTML, JS, CSS -- the whole lot. Starting to make more and more use of the stationary (templates), and will eventually get around to buying the full version I guess. It's worth noting that BBEdit Lite, while still a wonderful product, has now been replaced by TextWrangler. It's much nicer than BBEdit Lite. http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/ http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/vs_Lite.shtml Andrew * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] good coding app
On 8-Jan-04, at 5:03 AM, Universal Head wrote: Can I ask what people use as their coding app? I'm demoing BBEdit but there are some things I find annoying about it. Sometimes I use GoLive in source view, and for CSS I'm using John's Style Master more and more. But are there any other good options? (I'm on a Mac). BBEdit is the greatest thing out there, I think. Of what hasn't already been mentioned, there's also PageSpinner, or on the simpler end, OmniWeb has a very nice source editor. http://www.optima-system.com/pagespinner/ http://www.omnigroup.com/omniweb/ For CSS, I always use CSSEdit, which is much nicer than BBEdit CSS editor. http://www.macrabbit.com/cssedit/ Andrew * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] A few links...
We are thinking about this, the problem is that many people have sigs with their url in them and other people post links to sites with their questions. If we automate the link stripping, we'll get those too. I suggest (actually Russ did) we make sure we post the links in the resources area so that they are a permanent categorised record, rather than to the list, and I'll write a routine to grab all the posted resource links from the past week and send them to the list on Sunday (or is Friday a better day?) to save having to look there all the time. Sound OK? P > -Original Message- > From: Justin French [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:16 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [WSG] A few links... > > > On Thursday, January 8, 2004, at 09:15 AM, Anton Andreasson wrote: > > > Is there any way some skillful coder here could hack up a script to > > parse the list emails, strip out all links, present them in > a "recent > > links sent to wsg-list" kind of list, with some buttons > like "add me > > to wsg resource archive" (if the user finds it valuable)? > > If someone had a bunch of text files as an archive they could send to > me as a zip, the process of looking for (and grabbing) > anything with a > http:// would be pretty easy... I'd happily do it,a nd could probably > automate 90% of the process to occur monthly or whatever. > > Justin > > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > * > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] good coding app
I have found the best program to be SOURCEEDIT Its freeware... It has syntax highlighting for PHP, CSS, PERL, Visual Basic, XML ant a lot more... (you can make your own - you select what words are TAGS, Tag elements, Procedures, operators, comments etc...) Its got TABBED dialogue display! And it also allows you to save a PROJECT - which simply is a bunch of files (you get a menu on the side to browse your "project")... Its very good! my favourite at the moment! - Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.neester.com - -Original Message- From: Universal Head [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 9:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] good coding app Can I ask what people use as their coding app? I'm demoing BBEdit but there are some things I find annoying about it. Sometimes I use GoLive in source view, and for CSS I'm using John's Style Master more and more. But are there any other good options? (I'm on a Mac). Hope this isn't OT. Cheers Peter -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] good coding app
Universal Head wrote: Can I ask what people use as their coding app? I'm demoing BBEdit but there are some things I find annoying about it. Sometimes I use GoLive in source view, and for CSS I'm using John's Style Master more and more. But are there any other good options? (I'm on a Mac). JEdit I hear is also pretty good, one of the guys at sydphp gives it a thumbs up, but it is built using Java, so it may not be as responsive as BBEdit. It has a very very large range of plugins for tidying code, and has syntax highlighting and support for over 90 filetypes. It's also GPL so it's free, and you're allowed (actually encouraged) to contribute to it's development. http://www.jedit.org/ Hope this isn't OT. I think we are on the border. -- /--\ |Adam Carmichael, A+, 2xMCP (Windows 2000), Cert IV Helpdesk Admin | |[EMAIL PROTECTED] /( _,-,_ )\ _| |_ /,|| | |#1 Computer Services \`/ \'/ _| |_|| | |BSD/UNIX Network Engineer\ /o\ /o\ /| |_||_ | \--/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] good coding app
On Thursday, January 8, 2004, at 09:03 PM, Universal Head wrote: Can I ask what people use as their coding app? I'm demoing BBEdit but there are some things I find annoying about it. Sometimes I use GoLive in source view, and for CSS I'm using John's Style Master more and more. But are there any other good options? (I'm on a Mac). BBEdit Lite here for everything -- HTML, JS, CSS -- the whole lot. Starting to make more and more use of the stationary (templates), and will eventually get around to buying the full version I guess. I guess it's what ever you get used to, and what your preferences are. some people like hinting and assisted coding, but I hate it. Justin * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] good coding app
Can I ask what people use as their coding app? I'm demoing BBEdit but there are some things I find annoying about it. Sometimes I use GoLive in source view, and for CSS I'm using John's Style Master more and more. But are there any other good options? (I'm on a Mac). You could also try SubEthaEdit (which used to be called HydraEdit, I think) which is free, and excellent -- very lightweight, good syntax colouring, and so on. -- David. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] good coding app
Give skEdit 3.3 a try, there's a trial version or pay US$20, I think it's worth it - http://www.skti.org/ Also Web Minimalist is simple text editor for Mac OS X with inbuilt preview using the Safari engine. No frills on this one but it's free. http://www.emlyn.net/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=2 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] good coding app
Can I ask what people use as their coding app? I'm demoing BBEdit but there are some things I find annoying about it. Sometimes I use GoLive in source view, and for CSS I'm using John's Style Master more and more. But are there any other good options? (I'm on a Mac). Hope this isn't OT. Cheers Peter -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] More on liquid layouts
Here is an update http://hinterlands.com.au/testing/fluid_div.html http://hinterlands.com.au/testing/fluid_div.css Adding position : absolute to the body container helped quite a bit ;) ChrisB * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
