Re: [WSG] Flash in different browsers
ooops, hit send too soon... I was going to go on to say that the only obvious differences were your lack of width and height attributes... you could try putting them back in... s scott parsons wrote: personally I think you should use an embed tag as provided by macromedia when you publish the .swf... but since you seem to be using hixie's conditionals... here is the original article from hixie http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1081798064&count=1 Gavin Cooney wrote: Hi All, I have a page with a flash pie chart on it. http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/testResults.cfm?testID=247560&testUUID=C1CDB6E1-C314-A418-C97C52990D47F6EC It is not showing up in some browsers. What's the best way of placing this flash chart? http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=81300 Thanks Gav PS any other comments on this site? (flash detection is not done yet). http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * . * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Flash in different browsers
personally I think you should use an embed tag as provided by macromedia when you publish the .swf... but since you seem to be using hixie's conditionals... here is the original article from hixie http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1081798064&count=1 Gavin Cooney wrote: Hi All, I have a page with a flash pie chart on it. http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/testResults.cfm?testID=247560&testUUID=C1CDB6E1-C314-A418-C97C52990D47F6EC It is not showing up in some browsers. What's the best way of placing this flash chart? http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=81300 Thanks Gav PS any other comments on this site? (flash detection is not done yet). http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * . * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] Good radio station sites?
Title: FW: [WSG] Good radio station sites? Thank you Peter, that’s exactly the idea I had in mind. I could design it myself but I think it’s an opportunity for a designer starting out in standards/css/xhtml design. It’s a project that doesnt pay anything in money terms. But there’ll be credit on the site, and the designer can put it in their portfolio. There is no restrictions on the design, except for good sense, and the fact that we don't want to change our logo because its used in lots of places. So a designer has a pretty wide brief. It’s a way for a designer to learn to design a site that covers a lot of different types of pages, and using only CSS for styling. On a resume that’s going to look pretty good. A media site, designed to the latest standards. Looks good to me. Not many people have time to take on probono projects, but I have 3 I look after, as part of my commitment to my hobbies and a way of adding back to organisations that do a lot for me. But it also offers me the way to use my skills and learn to do things where I don't have a client wanting that done right now. For example, when I needed to learn how to convert a site from old fashioned tables based layout to CSS based layout, I didn’t have a client ready to do that at the time. But I have these probono sites, and I picked one for a re-vamp. I needed to learn how to make a content management system, and didn’t have a well-heeled client ready to build one, so I built one for one of my probono sites. If this site works out as well as we hope, we’re going to be making an issue of it on the station. Our listenership covers most of the Sydney metro area and we run ads pointing to the site 8 times a day. We’re going to be raising its profile a lot in the national radio organisation CBAA and other media groups. We’re going to be putting effort into making it a feature of the station. Our station is one of the oldest community stations in the country – 25 years continuous 24hour a day broadcasting and we are technically very advanced. For example our sports calling equipment is more advanced than 2GBs. We might run the station on a shoestring but the equipment we use is state-of-the-art. It’s an all-digital station and our gear isn’t old second hand cast-offs from other stations. We’re one of the few radio stations in the country that can run 3 outside broadcasts simultaneously with no one back in the studio in town. (we recently had a group doing crosses from a hospital fundraiser, and calling the NRL game at Panthers Stadium at the same time as running the station from the Hawkesbury Show from our OB bus). The station is prepared to have a go at things. As to the design brief, the station management has accepted my idea that we should rebuild our pretty boring site into something that’s a showcase – an example for others to follow. We’ve laid out a pretty ambitious siteplan for the content we’re going to have, and I have ambitious plans for how I’m going to build it. I want to use the latest coldfusion techniques, and use XHTML strict if I can manage it, so the resulting code is right up to date. And we need a design that’s eyecatching, up to date, and cuts some new ground in media web sites. I hope someone sees some personal benefit from committing their time to doing a design for it. I’ve found doing probono work gives me the confidence to say “yes I can build a site like that” because with probono I can take risks and try things I wouldn’t be game to try on a client’s dime. I haven’t had any offers so far Peter, but if I don't, I’ll definitely take you up on it. Thanks for your offer. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com From: Peter Ottery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 16 July 2004 10:52 AM To: 'Michael Kear' Subject: FW: [WSG] Good radio station sites? Hi Michael, sounds like a really worthwhile cause and good on you for taking on the challenge! :) I'm guessing (and hoping) you get a few offers from young designers that have some time on their hands and are willing to contribute some design talent to the project. But in the event that you dont - let me know and I'd be prepared to contribute a design for it. What i mean is - theres potentially some young and talented kids out there that could really benefit from adding something like this to their portfolio (and get something out of the exercise for themselves) but yeah - i know what its like, and everyone is busy - so if you dont get any offers to help out - let me know and I'd love to help out. pete Peter Ottery Head of Design f2 Network (02) 8596 4450 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.f2.com.au
[WSG] Flash in different browsers
Hi All, I have a page with a flash pie chart on it. http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/testResults.cfm?testID=247560&testUUID=C1CDB6E1-C314-A418-C97C52990D47F6EC It is not showing up in some browsers. What's the best way of placing this flash chart? http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=81300 Thanks Gav PS any other comments on this site? (flash detection is not done yet). http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Critique please
Looks good on Safari and validates in the W3C validator. Not a validation issue but more contrast between some or your text and background colours will improve accessibility. Cheers Kyle On 2004 Jul 16, , at 14:26, Richard Lake wrote: Could you critique http://www.pricklypair.co.nz for me please. I've aimed to be standards compliant and accessible but I'm sure there's still some work to do in that area. This is my first PHP/mySQL site and there's still some work to be done around the ordering area etc, but it works pretty much the way I'd designed it to. I'd really welcome your comments. TIA Richard -- mobile web gear | pukupi.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] Critique please
Could you critique http://www.pricklypair.co.nz for me please. I've aimed to be standards compliant and accessible but I'm sure there's still some work to do in that area. This is my first PHP/mySQL site and there's still some work to be done around the ordering area etc, but it works pretty much the way I'd designed it to. I'd really welcome your comments. TIA Richard * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Oh, the humanity!
The voices are telling me that Art Grauer said on 7/14/2004 9:09 AM: AMG has posted a response to the criticism of the new design here (amusing): http://www.gloriousnoise.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1992 [snip] [From the reply]: SUPPORT OF NON-IE FOR WINDOWS BROWSERS Optimizing a site of allmusic's complexity and size for all browsers and operating systems is no small feat. This isn't a simple "brochure-ware" site of static pages. While we would love to optimize the AMG sites for all browsers and all operating systems, we simply don't have the necessary resources to do so. [snip] I think it may be a case of a design team being in way over their heads... Now we can get specific. They've made some fundamental mistakes about the purpose of their site. The question is (as always), who are the players, and what do they consider to be value? I suggest that there are two major players: (1) Site visitors and (2) The site owner Now we can ask what represents value to each of them. (1) Site visitors Information. Mostly text, mostly lists: Albums by the artist (title, date, label) Songs on the album (title, composer, time) Personnel on the album (name, instrument) Review of the artist Review of the album (2) The site owner Links to their chosen "buy it now" site Ads Sound clips, album cover pictures, and artist pictures represent additional value to site visitors, but almost no one goes to allmusic.com to get those things. They're of secondary importance to the site visitors, and probably of negative value (considering the bandwidth they consume) to the site owner. Eye candy and the stylish stuff is tertiary. Now that we know what the site owner and the customer consider to be value, we know the first question we can ask: "What's the best way to deliver text, ads, and 'buy it now' links?" Nobody has to tell members of *this* list that anything that isn't signal is noise. Anything that isn't directly delivering what the players consider to be value is taking value away from the players. And yet you and I know they spent a huge fraction of their budget on the bling-bling. They spent it on things that don't add any appreciable value. And for certain classes of visitors -- owners of premium browsers, people with different abilities, people with different web surfing devices, people who are smart enough to turn off ActiveX and active scripting on MSIE -- they spent money to take away value. Let's hit that quote again: > This isn't a simple "brochure-ware" site of static pages. Why not? And this: > Optimizing a site of allmusic's complexity and size for all browsers > and operating systems is no small feat. What is the business value of complexity? -- Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen bob at crispen dot org Ex Cathedra Weblog: http://blog.crispen.org/ Don't ask yourself what the world needs - ask yourself what makes you come alive, and then go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] Div CSS VAlign
Title: RE: [WSG] Div CSS VAlign >> Can someone help with how I align a DIV Layout made with the x and y scale vertically and horizontally a google search for "vertical and horizontal css centered div" gives the following urls that may help you out - tho I'm not sure I've nailed your specific problem... http://www.hicksdesign.co.uk/journal/30/vertical-centering-with-css http://www.hicksdesign.co.uk/journal/62/vertical-horizontal-centering-2 and those pages eventually led me to this example: http://www.wpdfd.com/editorial/thebox/deadcentre4.html hope this helps, pete
[WSG] Div CSS VAlign
Can someone help with how I align a DIV Layout made with the x and y scale vertically and horizontally Please --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.720 / Virus Database: 476 - Release Date: 7/14/2004 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] CSS Tabs
Here, its very simple.
1st step.
Setup you link heirachy in an unordered list.
Link
Link
Link
Link
2nd step.
Setup the CSS,
div#nav ul
{
list-style-type: none;
padding: 0; margin: 0;
}
div#nav ul li
{
display: inline;
padding: 0; margin: 0 5px 0 0;
}
div#nav ul li a
{
color: #000;
}
div#nav ul li a:hover
{
color: #000;
}
Obviously use the CSS you want, to make them look like the tabs you
want!
THEN,
3rd step.
Setup your PHP header to handle the class="current"
eg:
change the header HTML to this PHP...
href="">Link
href="">Link
href="">Link
href="">Link
4th step
Add the DIV#NAV UL LI A.CURRENT to the CSS,
eg:
div#nav ul li a.current
{
/* Some New Style */
}
div#nav ul li a.current:hover
{
/* Some New Style */
}
Hope that helped...
sorry its in the email...
anyone like to add to this?
Jad Madi wrote:
Hi
guys is there anyway to get CSS tabs working without _javascript_s?
Re: [WSG] CSS Tabs
On Friday, Jul 16, 2004, at 10:08 Australia/Sydney, Jad Madi wrote: hmm what I want is , for example http://www.alistapart.com/d/slidingdoors2/v1/ex10a.html# when I click on any tab to be active? How to do it? On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:37:28 +1000, Dave Rayner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you mean tab menu then look at these: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors/ http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors2/ I have used these and they are really cool dave rayner I'm with Dave - Sliding Doors are the go. But what exactly do you mean by 'when I click on any tab to be active'? Can you be a bit clearer/more specific? Also - what browser/platform are you using to view Sliding Doors example? It's compatibility is not 100%... Nick ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] CSS Tabs
I would really recommend going through the two articles, we were able to
customise the 'effect' a lot on a recent project, then use .NET to build
and add ids on the fly.
Instant flexible, dynamic CMSable tab menu
dave rayner
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> Jad Madi wrote:
> hmm
> what I want is , for example
> http://www.alistapart.com/d/slidingdoors2/v1/ex10a.html#
> when I click on any tab to be active?
> How to do it?
In the above example you change the body id of each page depending on
which tab you want to look active
Currently its set to
And the tab item is
Products
In the css this is the style applied (removed some selectors for this
example)
#home #nav-home,
#products #nav-products {
background-position:0 -150px;
border-width:0;
}
#home #nav-home a,
#products #nav-products a {
background-position:100% -150px;
padding-bottom:5px;
color:#333;
}
To have that page with the home tab active you would change the body to
Hope this helps
Jason
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Re: [WSG] CSS Tabs
See the permanlink : http://lutandoporwasp.blogspot.com/2004/05/tudo-possvel-sem-tabelas.html On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:08:23 +0200, Jad Madi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hmm > what I want is , for example > http://www.alistapart.com/d/slidingdoors2/v1/ex10a.html# > when I click on any tab to be active? > How to do it? > > > > On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:37:28 +1000, Dave Rayner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If you mean tab menu then look at these: > > > > http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors/ > > > > http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors2/ > > > > I have used these and they are really cool > > > > dave rayner > > freshweb > > www.freshweb.com.au > > m. 0409 037 250 > > p. +61 2 89202344 > > f. +61 2 89203008 > > > > This message is confidential, and may > > contain proprietary or legally privileged > > information. If you have received this > > email in error, please notify the sender > > and delete it immediately. > > > > Internet communications are not secure. > > You should scan this message and any > > attachments for viruses. Under no > > circumstances do we accept liability > > for any loss or damage which may result > > from your receipt of this message or > > any attachments. > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Jad Madi > > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 8:46 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; css-discuss DISCUSS; > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [WSG] CSS Tabs > > > > Hi > > guys is there anyway to get CSS tabs working without Java scripts? > > -- > > http://www.jadmadi.net/ > > * > > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See > > http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > > * > > > > * > > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > > * > > > > > > -- > http://www.jadmadi.net/ > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > * > > -- Atc, Aldemir Vieira da Silva http://lutandoporwasp.blogspot.com/ Kurumin + Firefox + GMail = Freedom * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] CSS Tabs
I think what he meant was: the tabs don't highlight on hover in IE, and how to get around that. If I wasn't knackered (and heck, it's 1:34 in the morning here), I'd spend a few minutes devising a javascript solution (or completely reorganising the xhtml so that the A element is the one containing all the backgrounds, so the :hover can take effect in IE), but I'd give the IE7.htc behaviours a whirl with this, they should be able to give IE the :hover on any element (but yes, this effectively still relies on having js enabled) Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively. [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] http://www.splintered.co.uk | http://www.photographia.co.uk | http://redux.deviantart.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] WSG Melbourne: Quick Poll
I think we should hold a Standards-based bikini contest. That notwithstanding, I'd probably go for every 4 weeks, or at least a bit more regularly. -- Cameron --- afdesign <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey there all Melbourne members of this list. > > At the last meeting of the Melbourne WSG, it was > suggested that we meet > more frequently. > > Currently we are meeting every 8 weeks. > > The alternatives are: > > 1. Meet every 4 weeks > 2. Meet every 6 weeks > > If you have a strong feeling either way, please send > your thoughts to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Of course feel free to use this opportunity to give > us any other > feedback/suggestions (such as future speakers, how > we run meetings, our > fashion sense etc.) > > PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS LIST > > You have till Monday 5pm, to have your say. > > cheers > dez > Melbourne WSG Co-Organiser > * > The discussion list for > http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > * > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] CSS Tabs
> Jad Madi wrote:
> hmm
> what I want is , for example
> http://www.alistapart.com/d/slidingdoors2/v1/ex10a.html#
> when I click on any tab to be active?
> How to do it?
In the above example you change the body id of each page depending on
which tab you want to look active
Currently its set to
And the tab item is
Products
In the css this is the style applied (removed some selectors for this
example)
#home #nav-home,
#products #nav-products {
background-position:0 -150px;
border-width:0;
}
#home #nav-home a,
#products #nav-products a {
background-position:100% -150px;
padding-bottom:5px;
color:#333;
}
To have that page with the home tab active you would change the body to
Hope this helps
Jason
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Re: [WSG] CSS Tabs
hmm what I want is , for example http://www.alistapart.com/d/slidingdoors2/v1/ex10a.html# when I click on any tab to be active? How to do it? On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:37:28 +1000, Dave Rayner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you mean tab menu then look at these: > > http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors/ > > http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors2/ > > I have used these and they are really cool > > dave rayner > freshweb > www.freshweb.com.au > m. 0409 037 250 > p. +61 2 89202344 > f. +61 2 89203008 > > This message is confidential, and may > contain proprietary or legally privileged > information. If you have received this > email in error, please notify the sender > and delete it immediately. > > Internet communications are not secure. > You should scan this message and any > attachments for viruses. Under no > circumstances do we accept liability > for any loss or damage which may result > from your receipt of this message or > any attachments. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jad Madi > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 8:46 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; css-discuss DISCUSS; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [WSG] CSS Tabs > > Hi > guys is there anyway to get CSS tabs working without Java scripts? > -- > http://www.jadmadi.net/ > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See > http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > * > > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > * > > -- http://www.jadmadi.net/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] CSS Tabs
If you mean tab menu then look at these: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors/ http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors2/ I have used these and they are really cool dave rayner freshweb www.freshweb.com.au m. 0409 037 250 p. +61 2 89202344 f. +61 2 89203008 This message is confidential, and may contain proprietary or legally privileged information. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete it immediately. Internet communications are not secure. You should scan this message and any attachments for viruses. Under no circumstances do we accept liability for any loss or damage which may result from your receipt of this message or any attachments. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jad Madi Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 8:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; css-discuss DISCUSS; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] CSS Tabs Hi guys is there anyway to get CSS tabs working without Java scripts? -- http://www.jadmadi.net/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] CSS Tabs
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[WSG] WSG Melbourne: Quick Poll
Hey there all Melbourne members of this list. At the last meeting of the Melbourne WSG, it was suggested that we meet more frequently. Currently we are meeting every 8 weeks. The alternatives are: 1. Meet every 4 weeks 2. Meet every 6 weeks If you have a strong feeling either way, please send your thoughts to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course feel free to use this opportunity to give us any other feedback/suggestions (such as future speakers, how we run meetings, our fashion sense etc.) PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS LIST You have till Monday 5pm, to have your say. cheers dez Melbourne WSG Co-Organiser * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] Good radio station sites?
Miles wrote: >Driving to work yesterday I heard JJJ talking about the site redesign. >I was really hoping that I'd find something standards-based but it >wasn't to be... Doesn't validate at all and even things as simple as >alt parameters are nowhere to be found. I thought that, being a radio >station, they might hold their sight-impaired listeners in higher >regard. I was also eagerly awaiting Triple J's redesign - for the same reasons as yourself. I thought for sure that they would have smelt the change in the air and gone for something better...Alas, I was bitterly dissapointed. Their content has always been great, aswell as the fact that the presenters really do read messages/requests posted on the site while they are on air - making the site a true part of the station. I'm seriously considering sending them a detailed list of small alterations that could have long-term benefits, but time is just too precious at the moment. _ Love Movies? You'll love HomeScreen. Rental DVDs - no late fees! Go to: http://www.ninemsn.homescreen.com.au/account/freetrial/?.promo=9msn_hotmail_ tagline * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] Good radio station sites?
My research of radio station sites in the last 48 hours has told me that the vast majority of them are ... well to put it bluntly, they're a wank. Few of them provide content that's relevant to the activities of the stations, aside from program guides and some pictures of some of the hosts. But of course that could well mean that the stations don't have much of an idea themselves about a purpose for their existence. No sense of involvement with their communities, and trying to engage the activities of their listeners. I haven't found a single one yet that's even close to being built on web standards. The notable exceptions would be the BBC and the Australian ABC sites and the US NPR sites which have heaps of content related to the station's shows and activities. The ones that do provide relevant content are pretty dismal in web standards terms - pretty awful looking and the code is amateur for most of them. So we're embarking on what we hope is going to be a different kind of radio station site. Our station is a community station, running on a shoestring, but our sound isn't amateur so our web site can't be. Our station is supposed to be a part of our local community and we're going to have a go at involving the community in the web site as well as the station. Community events, local news that sort of thing, if we can figure out the way to do it without taking a lot of ongoing effort. And we're going to build it using XHTML. Strict if we can go that far. We're going to fully separate content from logic from presentation so updates in the future will be easy. In other words it's going to be a proof of the concept that building to web standards saves development time, effort and ongoing maintenance. Even though it's a probono site for me, we're going to keep records of the time spent. Does anyone want to have a go at the design side of it? We want to produce a flexible, outstanding standards-based site and have few limitations on what we can and can't do, other than functional limitations. We can't pay money - there's no money for the project. It's my contribution to the station, but we can pay with ads on the station. It would suit someone working around western Sydney if the ads would mean something to your business. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Horner Sent: Thursday, 15 July 2004 5:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Good radio station sites? >I'd be interested in John Horner's comments on this, as he's a >member of this list. Hey, put me on the spot why don't you? >Given the ABC is a government organisation shouldn't they really be >fulfilling some requirements of the DDA? Yes, yes we should, though traditionally Triple J has operated very much as their own unit, both in terms of online and the organisation in general, and that's probably as it should be. I really can't answer for their decisions or even be sure what they were. >Nice design tho'. Well exactly. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] setting width for s when inline
it's important to note that even though you can't set width, you can set margin and padding on inline elements, which can be really useful... for example, i've used a trick from Eric Meyer's first book on some of my sites and created a special 'opens a new window' class of that includes a little icon next to it. you create a little bit of padding in the then apply the icon as a static background placed within the padding. it's useful to visually communicate that the link will open in a new window... s:r -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Chris StratfordSent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 6:57 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WSG] setting width for s when inlinehope someone finds this discussion useful.Yes I do!I have also wondered why this happens.I mean, because something is INLINE, doesn't mean it shouldn't be able to have a set width...I would think its more of a reason to set a width, because it is being set inline with another element - so the width is important.??I had the same issues, and always I end up forgetting the whole idea, and just throwing away all the navigation code i make.Thanks for the discussion :)Scott Reston wrote: Tania - you're correct. The "display:inline" turns out to be, er, vestigal and the effect works fine without it. What I was worried about is why is "float:left" was allowing me to give the a width. But... with the "display:inline" out of the way, the is a block-element, so applying width is OK. Is the issue that giving an element float makes the browser treat it as a block element? Thanks for bearing with me, everyone... hope someone finds this discussion useful. s:r
Re: [WSG] Good radio station sites?
I'd be interested in John Horner's comments on this, as he's a member of this list. Hey, put me on the spot why don't you? Given the ABC is a government organisation shouldn't they really be fulfilling some requirements of the DDA? Yes, yes we should, though traditionally Triple J has operated very much as their own unit, both in terms of online and the organisation in general, and that's probably as it should be. I really can't answer for their decisions or even be sure what they were. Nice design tho'. Well exactly. The only comment I feel I can make about ABC Online in general is that we're changing, if slowly, and if websites don't validate and aren't standards-based or accessible, it's definitely not because the web-developers don't understand the issues. "Have You Validated Your Code?" John Horner(+612 / 02) 9333 2110 Senior Developer, ABC Online http://www.abc.net.au/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
