RE: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report

2004-07-16 Thread etbear
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Subject: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:28:22 -0700, Jim Barricks wrote:
> And what about Marina Del Rey, CA. :-)

Is CA California or Canada?
Oh, Looks like California

Hmmm... we have 215 members in the USA, but haven't asked about location at
any finer granulation.
Hands up if you're in California!
(and, on the assumption that CA state is a moderately large place -
particularly hands up whose in the general  Marina Del Rey area?)

warmly,
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Re: [WSG] Critique please

2004-07-16 Thread Neerav
Richard
Not bad, If you hadnt told me I wouldnt have known it was a first attempt.
The only 3 problems I found were:
1. http://www.pricklypair.co.nz/contactus.php lets me enter the fullstop 
character for all fields, you need to validate to at least check for an 
@ sign

2. The white bird of paradise photo 
http://pricklypair.co.nz/images/strelnic.jpg is missing

3. When a page/image is not found, a standard 404 error is displayed.
You can customize your server's error message so your users are not 
struck with this unhelpful error by creating a custom 404 error page eg: 
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2003/02/13/davidsklar.html

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Richard Lake wrote:
Could you critique http://www.pricklypair.co.nz for me please. I've aimed to
be standards compliant and accessible but I'm sure there's still some work
to do in that area.
This is my first PHP/mySQL site and there's still some work to be done
around the ordering area etc, but it works pretty much the way I'd designed
it to.
I'd really welcome your comments.
TIA
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RE: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report

2004-07-16 Thread Peter Firminger

> Marina Del Rey, CA is a suburb of Los Angeles, California.
> Paradise!!! :-)
>
> Best,
> Jim Barricks

Might be best to list yourself as Los Angeles then, or is it really too far
spread? I've only seen the airport :)

This is why we ask for the general city rather than suburbs or sattelite
cities. I suspect there are some pretty close to Boston that list their
city/suburb locally as well (Cambridge etc.).

If you're interested in a meeting in your area, it might be a good idea to
change your location to one that shows the closet major city you're prepared
to travel to for a meeting.

Oh, and please be neat, check the list to see the way others have entered
the state etc. Use proper capitalisation. US states should be your two
letter code (Uppercase). I keep an eye on it and adjust accordingly but it's
time consuming. Also, check the spelling of your country. Some are entered
in the local version and some in the English dirivitave (e.g. Brasil instead
of Brazil, Espana instead of Spain).

P


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RE: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report

2004-07-16 Thread Michael Kear
Ah yes,  Los Angeles, Paradise.  At least you can SEE the air they make you
breathe.  

Cheers
Mike Kear


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Re: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report

2004-07-16 Thread Jim Barricks
At 08:40 PM 7/16/2004,Lea de Groot, your nimble fingers typed...
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:28:22 -0700, Jim Barricks wrote:
> And what about Marina Del Rey, CA. :-)
Is CA California or Canada?
Oh, Looks like California
Hmmm... we have 215 members in the USA, but haven't asked about
location at any finer granulation.
Hands up if you're in California!
(and, on the assumption that CA state is a moderately large place -
particularly hands up whose in the general  Marina Del Rey area?)
warmly,
Lea
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Hi Lea,
Marina Del Rey, CA is a suburb of Los Angeles, California. Paradise!!! :-)
Best,
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[WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report

2004-07-16 Thread Lea de Groot
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:28:22 -0700, Jim Barricks wrote:
> And what about Marina Del Rey, CA. :-)

Is CA California or Canada?
Oh, Looks like California

Hmmm... we have 215 members in the USA, but haven't asked about 
location at any finer granulation.
Hands up if you're in California!
(and, on the assumption that CA state is a moderately large place - 
particularly hands up whose in the general  Marina Del Rey area?)

warmly,
Lea
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[WSG] Meetings in new cities

2004-07-16 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi all,

If you want to see how many people are in your area (and if you have over
ten you can probably start a meeting group) please log into the site, scroll
down on the member home page to Country/Member count and click View Details
(or just go to http://webstandardsgroup.org/manage/login_view.cfm )

Scroll down about 2/3 of the page and you'll see "City totals".

Check your city and if you have a good number of people, let us know
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and we can contact the people in your area to see if there
is any interest.

Perth and Canberra, we'll be onto you soon. London and New York are also
candidates for our first non-Australian meeting groups.

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Re: [WSG] Brisbane July Meeting - Report

2004-07-16 Thread Jim Barricks
At 04:22 PM 7/16/2004,t94xr.net.nz webmaster, your nimble fingers typed...
From: "Lea de Groot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
A very interesting and detailed open forum followed - for those who were 
unable to attend, you *really* missed something!
Next meeting should be Wed September 8 - put it in your diary now! :)
And what do we do if we are in New Zealand?
Can you have a meeting here and let us join?
And what about Marina Del Rey, CA. :-)
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Re: [WSG] Brisbane July Meeting - Report

2004-07-16 Thread Lea de Groot
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:22:24 +1200, t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote:
> And what do we do if we are in New Zealand?
> Can you have a meeting here and let us join?

Nothing stopping you from starting your own meetings - whats your 
location in New Zealand and we'll look at how many members are in your 
location :)
(Or you could book a ticket for September ;))

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Re: [WSG] What to do when an External Link won't Validate?

2004-07-16 Thread Amit Karmakar
Shane, 

You can create TinyUrls for the long list of links.
More info here: http://tinyurl.com/

Or you can also go to Dan Benjamin's excellent URL cleaner
http://automaticlabs.com/products/urlcleaner/

All the best.

Regards,
Amit Karmakar
www.karmakars.com


On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:48:06 -0600, Shane Helm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a site I am working on.  All the pages I've created validate
> except:
> http://sonze.com/isl/res1.html
> 
> An external link to another site doesn't validate (line 40).  I get
> several errors.  Is there anything I can do to make the page validate
> or is it a lost cause since I don't control the external site I'm
> linking to?
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
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Re: [WSG] Brisbane July Meeting - Report

2004-07-16 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster
From: "Lea de Groot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
A very interesting and detailed open forum followed - for those who 
were unable to attend, you *really* missed something!

Next meeting should be Wed September 8 - put it in your diary now! :)
And what do we do if we are in New Zealand?
Can you have a meeting here and let us join?
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http://www.t94xr.net.nz/
XHTML & CSS Compliant.
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Re: [WSG] What to do when an External Link won't Validate?

2004-07-16 Thread Sage Olson
You need to encode your ampersands as &
For example, this:
http://domain.com/foo.php?bar&car
Should be changed to this:
http://domain.com/foo.php?bar&car
-Sage
On Jul 16, 2004, at 3:48 PM, Shane Helm wrote:
I have a site I am working on.  All the pages I've created validate 
except:
http://sonze.com/isl/res1.html

An external link to another site doesn't validate (line 40).  I get 
several errors.  Is there anything I can do to make the page validate 
or is it a lost cause since I don't control the external site I'm 
linking to?

Thank you in advance.
Shane Helm
{ sonzeDesignStudio™
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Re: [WSG] Brisbane July Meeting - Report

2004-07-16 Thread Ern Marshall
Could some one please unsub me from this group...thank you very much. I 
have enjoyed my time here
Ern Marshall

Lea de Groot wrote:
Sorry not to report back more promptly, the usual bedlam and madness 
ensues here :)
The Brisbane Meeting this month was a smaller affair than the first 
one, but a lively meeting happened nonetheless. 
Marc's presentation was very well received.
Last month, Tony told us how to make our websites standards compliant. 
This month, Marc told us why we should.
:)
A very interesting and detailed open forum followed - for those who 
were unable to attend, you *really* missed something!

Next meeting should be Wed September 8 - put it in your diary now! :)
warmly,
Lea
 

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[WSG] What to do when an External Link won't Validate?

2004-07-16 Thread Shane Helm
I have a site I am working on.  All the pages I've created validate 
except:
http://sonze.com/isl/res1.html

An external link to another site doesn't validate (line 40).  I get 
several errors.  Is there anything I can do to make the page validate 
or is it a lost cause since I don't control the external site I'm 
linking to?

Thank you in advance.
Shane Helm
{ sonzeDesignStudio™
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[WSG] Mac IE 5.2 and horizontally presented s

2004-07-16 Thread Scott Reston

I'm in the process of redesigning my company's site using a non-tabled layout. For the 
most part, things are going well (if not slowly) as I hone my CSS skills ("thanks!" to 
everyone on-list that's helped me out so far).

I'm running into a problem with the presentation of my primary navigation in Mac IE 
5.2. I'm pretty confident that I should be able to get this to work (the examples i've 
learned from check out just fine doing a similar effect).

I'm looking for some help with:
http://www.capstrat.com/development/cs2004/template4.html

the div in question is #navigation. 

i've essentially got:

top-level label

sub-item
sub-item


another top-level label


the li's in the top-level should display horizontally, with the subs vertically below 
them.
Is there anyone that might be able to kick me in the right direction? i've built from 
the list tutorials at ALA and Maxdesign.com


correct:
http://www.browsercam.com/projects/81363/1343480.jpg


not so correct:
http://www.browsercam.com/projects/81363/1343476.jpg


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[WSG] How the CSS Tabs question leads to the toggle script

2004-07-16 Thread Ted Drake
Aldemir, I don't know if you are the one behind aplus moments, the link in your post, 
or not. 
I really like the sideways tab for view the betslip and the use of the toggle box to 
make the betslip slide out from the side. 

I've used the toggle script to show content, but not in such a clever way.
Your link eventually led to this page: http://www.stanjames.com/index.asp
Ted




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From: Aldemir Vieira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS Tabs


See the permanlink :
http://lutandoporwasp.blogspot.com/2004/05/tudo-possvel-sem-tabelas.html


On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:08:23 +0200, Jad Madi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hmm
> what I want is , for example
> http://www.alistapart.com/d/slidingdoors2/v1/ex10a.html#
> when I click on  any tab to be active?
> How to do it?
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:37:28 +1000, Dave Rayner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > If you mean tab menu then look at these:
> >
> > http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors/
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> > http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors2/
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> > I have used these and they are really cool
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Re: [WSG] Flash in different browsers

2004-07-16 Thread scott parsons
That looks like some great work, but I always think it is worth noting 
that with flash satay there are issues involved as well, including 
problems with streaming

James Ellis wrote:
Gavin, Scott.
Try doing this:
http://www.webqs.com/experiment.php?id=15
apologies for the "link" links. I stopped working on my site ages ago 
due to other work commitments.

I'm sure you can tweak it to output a markup page based on the  method. Currently it allows you to output a XHTML 
compliant template straight out of Flash MX. Not sure how it works 
with the latest Flash as I haven't done anything in that area for a 
year or so.
In fact you can output just about any template based on your project 
architecture, really good for teams of pixel pushers. One of the 
little hidden gems in Flash.

The standard output produced by MM for Flash MX is in dire need of 
update as it hasn't really changed since the days of Aftershock - pg 
175  of the Flash 3 manual! (thems were the days).

Cheers
James
scott parsons wrote:
personally I think you should use an embed tag as provided by 
macromedia when you publish the .swf...
but since you seem to be using hixie's conditionals...
here is the original article from hixie
http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1081798064&count=1

Gavin Cooney wrote:
Hi All,
I have a page with a flash pie chart on it. 
http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/testResults.cfm?testID=247560&testUUID=C1CDB6E1-C314-A418-C97C52990D47F6EC 

It is not showing up in some browsers. What's the best way of placing
this flash chart?
http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=81300
Thanks
Gav
PS any other comments on this site? (flash detection is not done yet).
http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/
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RE: [WSG] Oh, the humanity!

2004-07-16 Thread Martin J. Lambert
Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen wrote:
> 
>  > This isn't a simple "brochure-ware" site of static pages.
> 
> Why not?


I agree with most of what you wrote, but just wanted to address this one
point.  I used to work for CDNOW before it went under, and can tell you why
it isn't a simple site of static pages - there's WAY too much music out
there, changing MUCH too quickly, to ever hope to keep up with it manually.

That said, there's absolutely no reason why it couldn't be a simple site of
database-driven *templates*, each of which adheres to web standards and is
accessible to all visitors.  I've done it myself, on a site that actually
licensed much of AllMusic's content.

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Re: [WSG] Flash in different browsers

2004-07-16 Thread James Ellis
Gavin, Scott.
Try doing this:
http://www.webqs.com/experiment.php?id=15
apologies for the "link" links. I stopped working on my site ages ago 
due to other work commitments.

I'm sure you can tweak it to output a markup page based on the  method. Currently it allows you to output a XHTML 
compliant template straight out of Flash MX. Not sure how it works with 
the latest Flash as I haven't done anything in that area for a year or so.
In fact you can output just about any template based on your project 
architecture, really good for teams of pixel pushers. One of the little 
hidden gems in Flash.

The standard output produced by MM for Flash MX is in dire need of 
update as it hasn't really changed since the days of Aftershock - pg 
175  of the Flash 3 manual! (thems were the days).

Cheers
James
scott parsons wrote:
personally I think you should use an embed tag as provided by 
macromedia when you publish the .swf...
but since you seem to be using hixie's conditionals...
here is the original article from hixie
http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1081798064&count=1

Gavin Cooney wrote:
Hi All,
I have a page with a flash pie chart on it. 
http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/testResults.cfm?testID=247560&testUUID=C1CDB6E1-C314-A418-C97C52990D47F6EC 

It is not showing up in some browsers. What's the best way of placing
this flash chart?
http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=81300
Thanks
Gav
PS any other comments on this site? (flash detection is not done yet).
http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/
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RE: [WSG] Oh, the humanity!

2004-07-16 Thread Chatham, Will

> > AMG has posted a response to the criticism of the new design here 
> > (amusing):
> > 
> > http://www.gloriousnoise.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1992
> 

I wrote them an note when I first learned of the site, and have since
noticed they have taken down the big yellow warning at the top of their
page.  However, this response page they have posted digs them a deeper hole.

As a loosely organized body, maybe we could create a letter to send them
that summarizes everything we have all been saying, explaining their
misperceptions and offering some sage advice.  That might seem a little
presumptory or arrogant of us, but it really shows that we care about seeing
companies make the right decisions when building sites.

Any thoughts?

Will Chatham

oOo
www.willchatham.com
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[WSG] Brisbane July Meeting - Report

2004-07-16 Thread Lea de Groot
Sorry not to report back more promptly, the usual bedlam and madness 
ensues here :)
The Brisbane Meeting this month was a smaller affair than the first 
one, but a lively meeting happened nonetheless. 
Marc's presentation was very well received.
Last month, Tony told us how to make our websites standards compliant. 
This month, Marc told us why we should.
:)
A very interesting and detailed open forum followed - for those who 
were unable to attend, you *really* missed something!

Next meeting should be Wed September 8 - put it in your diary now! :)

warmly,
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Re: [WSG] Div CSS VAlign

2004-07-16 Thread Olajide Olaolorun
RE: [WSG] Div CSS VAlignThanks... I will look up on that... :)
- Original Message - 
From: Peter Ottery
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Subject: RE: [WSG] Div CSS VAlign


Can someone help with how I align a DIV Layout made with the x and y 
scale
vertically and horizontally
a google search for "vertical and horizontal css centered div" gives the 
following urls that may help you out - tho I'm not sure I've nailed your 
specific problem...
http://www.hicksdesign.co.uk/journal/30/vertical-centering-with-css
http://www.hicksdesign.co.uk/journal/62/vertical-horizontal-centering-2
and those pages eventually led me to this example:
http://www.wpdfd.com/editorial/thebox/deadcentre4.html
hope this helps,
pete

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Re: [WSG] Flash in different browsers

2004-07-16 Thread Gavin Cooney
Thanks Scott,

that worked a treat. 

http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=81305

Nice to see Netscape 4 is behaving well as always! 
http://www.browsercam.com/projects/81305/1341243.jpg

Gav

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:50:34 +1000, scott parsons
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ooops, hit send too soon...
> I was going to go on to say that the only obvious differences were your
> lack of width and height attributes... you could try putting them back in...
> 
> s
> 
> 
> 
> scott parsons wrote:
> 
> > personally I think you should use an embed tag as provided by
> > macromedia when you publish the .swf...
> > but since you seem to be using hixie's conditionals...
> > here is the original article from hixie
> > http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1081798064&count=1
> >
> >
> > Gavin Cooney wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I have a page with a flash pie chart on it.
> >> http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/testResults.cfm?testID=247560&testUUID=C1CDB6E1-C314-A418-C97C52990D47F6EC
> >>
> >>
> >> It is not showing up in some browsers. What's the best way of placing
> >> this flash chart?
> >>
> >> http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=81300
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Gav
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> >> PS any other comments on this site? (flash detection is not done yet).
> >> http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/
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Re: [WSG] Critique please

2004-07-16 Thread Mark Stanton
Hi Richard 

I really like it - maybe three small comments, all very minor:

1) You're using inline styles in a number of places.

2)  - there is a space in front of a number of
your id attribute values. Not sure how this would affect CSS, JS,
etc..

3) "indent" is a poor choice for a class name. Describe *why* the data
in presented the way it is, rather than describing the presentation.

9.5 out of 10. Good stuff.

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