[WSG] scrolling text and images
I have been asked by a client for an area on his website that will have scrolling text or images or both and also a devolving and resolving image panel. I have advised against this as moving things on pages constantly annoy as well as the inaccessibility issues that using scripts bring. So my question is does anyone know of any application or any way that i can do this in a way that will make the least amount of compromises to accessibility and degrade nicely if either active x or javaScript or what ever else might be used to create these transitions are not available. An example of what the client is looking for is. http://investhawkesbay.com/ YU. I look forward to your comments. Robin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] scrolling text and images
Hi Robin, We have used scrolling text on a school website as a 'ticker tape' of latest news. We removed the Stop/Start function and made the text static if the user doesn't have Javascript. Details can be found at: http://www.websemantics.co.uk/tutorials/accessible_scroller/. We also used a Javascript method to fade images in and out of a web page. Again if the user doesn't have Javascript only the top image is displayed. If you would like more info please get in touch and I will send you the files. I know that both scrolling text and image fading is frowned upon when it comes to accessibility but very often when a client insists on something all you can do is try to find the 'best solution'. Kind regards, Elaine __ Web Dandy http://www.webdandy.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Sent: 03 May 2007 08:17 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] scrolling text and images I have been asked by a client for an area on his website that will have scrolling text or images or both and also a devolving and resolving image panel. I have advised against this as moving things on pages constantly annoy as well as the inaccessibility issues that using scripts bring. So my question is does anyone know of any application or any way that i can do this in a way that will make the least amount of compromises to accessibility and degrade nicely if either active x or javaScript or what ever else might be used to create these transitions are not available. An example of what the client is looking for is. http://investhawkesbay.com/ YU. I look forward to your comments. Robin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] scrolling text and images
Quoting Web Dandy Design <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: http://www.websemantics.co.uk/tutorials/accessible_scroller/. That code would benefit from a few "return false;" to avoid the whole "jumping back to the top of the document" behaviour the start/show links currently exhibit, but otherwise it looks fairly neat. P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ Take it to the streets ... join the WaSP Street Team http://streetteam.webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] scrolling text and images
Hi Elaine, Thanks for your reply, Yes I am interested in the files for the fade in images, if you could email them to me that would be awesome, [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are right, even though I feel I am compromising myself doing this at least I know that I am going to try and make the best out on an unfavorable situation. I just followed the link for the vertical scroll from the link you sent and that looks interesting as well. http://onlinetools.org/tools/domnews/ thanks again Robin Web Dandy Design wrote: Hi Robin, We have used scrolling text on a school website as a 'ticker tape' of latest news. We removed the Stop/Start function and made the text static if the user doesn't have Javascript. Details can be found at: http://www.websemantics.co.uk/tutorials/accessible_scroller/. We also used a Javascript method to fade images in and out of a web page. Again if the user doesn't have Javascript only the top image is displayed. If you would like more info please get in touch and I will send you the files. I know that both scrolling text and image fading is frowned upon when it comes to accessibility but very often when a client insists on something all you can do is try to find the 'best solution'. Kind regards, Elaine __ Web Dandy http://www.webdandy.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Sent: 03 May 2007 08:17 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] scrolling text and images I have been asked by a client for an area on his website that will have scrolling text or images or both and also a devolving and resolving image panel. I have advised against this as moving things on pages constantly annoy as well as the inaccessibility issues that using scripts bring. So my question is does anyone know of any application or any way that i can do this in a way that will make the least amount of compromises to accessibility and degrade nicely if either active x or javaScript or what ever else might be used to create these transitions are not available. An example of what the client is looking for is. http://investhawkesbay.com/ YU. I look forward to your comments. Robin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] scrolling text and images
Robin wrote: I have been asked by a client for an area on his website that will have scrolling text or images or both and also a devolving and resolving image panel. I have advised against this as moving things on pages constantly annoy as well as the inaccessibility issues that using scripts bring. So my question is does anyone know of any application or any way that i can do this in a way that will make the least amount of compromises to accessibility and degrade nicely if either active x or javaScript or what ever else might be used to create these transitions are not available. An example of what the client is looking for is. http://investhawkesbay.com/ YU. Could you not build the flappy about stuff in flash and use an adaptation of the flash satay method to replace the core information in standard images and text, that way the information will still be accessible to spiders and other non visual readers without the need for scripting jiggery pokery. Rich -- RICHARD McCOY ~ McCOY DIGITAL LTD PORTFOLIO ~ http://www.mccoy.co.uk PHOTOGRAPHY ~ http://www.littlehellos.com CV ~ http://www.webfellowforhire.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Re: [WSG] scrolling text and images
Hi, When I have implemented these news-ticker-like 'widgets', I have made sure that at the very least, the content I am using within the widget is readable by a screen reader. This can be done by putting xhtml into a div, and placing it off screen (to the left with negative em). On instantiation of the 'widget', it sources its "news" from the hidden content div, or simply uses the div itself by un-hiding it. The content xhtml is usually an unordered list of "news items". This borrows from the technique used with drop-down menus and the like... The other major problem though, and something this alone won't resolve, is the issue of a client being 'javascript-less'. There are a few options here though, for instance, the tag could be employed to deliver alternative content to those users. This might be a partial representation of the "news items" or a link to a page containing all the news in full. Hope this helps. Richard: You could use a satay method for flash (ALA), however it doesn't deal with the IE patenting issue regarding Active X plugins. Flash player will not become interactive until after the player is 'activated' by the user - painful. You would be better off using UFO or SWFObject scripts to embed flash movies in pages. On 5/3/07, Richard McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Robin wrote: > I have been asked by a client for an area on his website that will have > scrolling text or images or both and also a devolving and resolving > image panel. > > I have advised against this as moving things on pages constantly annoy > as well as the inaccessibility issues that using scripts bring. > So my question is does anyone know of any application or any way that i > can do this in a way that will make the least amount of compromises to > accessibility and degrade nicely if either active x or javaScript or > what ever else might be used to create these transitions are not available. > An example of what the client is looking for is. > http://investhawkesbay.com/ YU. Could you not build the flappy about stuff in flash and use an adaptation of the flash satay method to replace the core information in standard images and text, that way the information will still be accessible to spiders and other non visual readers without the need for scripting jiggery pokery. Rich -- RICHARD McCOY ~ McCOY DIGITAL LTD PORTFOLIO ~ http://www.mccoy.co.uk PHOTOGRAPHY ~ http://www.littlehellos.com CV ~ http://www.webfellowforhire.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] [potentially OT] HTML History
On 5/1/07, Katrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gday all, I'm reading a paper from 1999: Lie, Håkon Wium., 1999, Multipurpose Web Publishing Using HTML, XML and CSS, Communications of the ACM, vol 42. no 10, p95 and have come across a paragraph that hints at conflicting ideology early in the web's history and HTML specifications. The paragraph is: HTML was formally specified as an SGML DTD in 1992, giving the HTML specification a context in which further expansion was possible, though it also conflicted with the sentiments in the early Web community. What were those early sentiments against specifying HTML as an SGML DTD? Can anyone elaborate? Kat The reason I ask here is because I think there are people on list who may actually have been there, or at least know people who were there. I know I'm only guessing here, but I think there were other proposals for how HTML should have been implemented, XML DTD being one of them. AFAIK, SGML won out because it was the easiest and most forgiving. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net .. designtocss.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] [potentially OT] HTML History
Christian Montoya wrote: What were those early sentiments against specifying HTML as an SGML DTD? Can anyone elaborate? I know I'm only guessing here, but I think there were other proposals for how HTML should have been implemented, XML DTD being one of them. AFAIK, SGML won out because it was the easiest and most forgiving. The majority of XML was developed in 1997 (released in '98) whereas the HTML we're talking about was from 1992. XML wasn't even an option. And as for the idea that SGML is more forgiving, well -- no. It's the loose parsers with complex models that make it forgiving... While the HTML form of HTML5 bears a close resemblance to SGML and XML, it is a separate language with its own parsing rules. Some earlier versions of HTML (in particular from HTML2 to HTML4) were based on SGML and used SGML parsing rules. However, few (if any) web browsers ever implemented true SGML parsing for HTML documents; the only user agents to strictly handle HTML as an SGML application have historically been validators. The resulting confusion — with validators claiming documents to have one representation while widely deployed Web browsers interoperably implemented a different representation — has resulted in this version of HTML returning to a non-SGML basis. Authors interested in using SGML tools in their authoring pipeline are encouraged to use the XML serialisation of HTML5 instead of the HTML serialisation. --- http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/section-parsing.html .Matthew Cruickshank http://docvert.org/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] scrolling text and images
> Karl wrote: > > When I have implemented these news-ticker-like 'widgets', I have made > > sure that at the very least, the content I am using within the widget > > is readable by a screen reader. This can be done by putting xhtml into > > a div, and placing it off screen (to the left with negative em). On > > instantiation of the 'widget', it sources its "news" from the hidden > > content div, or simply uses the div itself by un-hiding it. > > The content xhtml is usually an unordered list of "news items". This > > borrows from the technique used with drop-down menus and the like... > > The other major problem though, and something this alone won't > > resolve, is the issue of a client being 'javascript-less'. There are a > > few options here though, for instance, the tag could be > > employed to deliver alternative content to those users. This might be > > a partial representation of the "news items" or a link to a page > > containing all the news in full. Thanks for that karl, I have thought about using object detection for the javascript-less and using for the alternative, but your suggestion for the off screen div I think is a great idea. On 5/3/07, Richard McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robin wrote: > > I have been asked by a client for an area on his website that will have > > scrolling text or images or both and also a devolving and resolving > > image panel. > > > > I have advised against this as moving things on pages constantly annoy > > as well as the inaccessibility issues that using scripts bring. > > So my question is does anyone know of any application or any way that i > > can do this in a way that will make the least amount of compromises to > > accessibility and degrade nicely if either active x or javaScript or > > what ever else might be used to create these transitions are not available. > > An example of what the client is looking for is. > > http://investhawkesbay.com/ YU. > > Could you not build the flappy about stuff in flash and use an > adaptation of the flash satay method to replace the core information in > standard images and text, that way the information will still be > accessible to spiders and other non visual readers without the need for > scripting jiggery pokery. > > Rich > > > -- > RICHARD McCOY ~ McCOY DIGITAL LTD > > PORTFOLIO ~ http://www.mccoy.co.uk > PHOTOGRAPHY ~ http://www.littlehellos.com > CV ~ http://www.webfellowforhire.com > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
