RE: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page.
From: Joe Ortenzi Sent: 21 December 2007 07:32 Why not simply make people register for it? Then you have their details and if you make the registration process intelligent, they will be aware they are being tracked and more likely to behave. All sorts of benefits and if the discussion forum is inside there as well then you can even claim some web 2.0-ness as an added benefit of registration! This to me seems like a good option, and by registering someone you could then give them a doctored version of the data including unique information to tie that particular view of the data with their session. That unique ID could be in a table cell, in the title of the page, as a footer etc. If you found a copy of that data with the unique session ID anywhere you could trace it back to a date, time, IP address and registered user. Of course the problem there is that anyone with a bit of HTML skill could remove the unique ID from the page. Still, it may help to deter casual copiers. Chris This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Rockwell?
Hi, I got a font problem: for a site I'm working on I'd like to use rockwell.ttf, in the h1 tag. Rockwell isn't a standard font, but every windows user has them, and it is also available for Mac. But I don't know if this font is in the Mac fontbook. And I'm pretty sure *nix users don't have it at all. Is it a better solution to use a gif instead? (Most of the visitors are Windows users.) Thanks for any advice, Jos Flachs mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bangkok, Thailand *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Rockwell?
On Dec 21, 2007 10:05 AM, Jos Flachs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got a font problem: for a site I'm working on I'd like to use rockwell.ttf, in the h1 tag. Rockwell isn't a standard font, but every windows user has them, and it is also available for Mac. But I don't know if this font is in the Mac fontbook. And I'm pretty sure *nix users don't have it at all. It's not a standard Windows font, I'd be surprised if anyone apart from designers had it on their systems (unless it is now bundled with Vista?) Why not use sIFR - the demo even comes with the Rockwell .swf file. - Matthew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] strange cropping of divs in ie
kevin mcmonagle wrote: If i can ask an old question, whats the best way to get margins and padding to be set the same across all browsers. In standard mode with all other variables equal, margins and paddings _are_ the same, so I guess that's not what your question is about. Standard mode vs. Quirks mode box model differences are more likely causing you problems. If you want to cater for older IE/win and other Quirks mode only versions, alongside the latest browsers: don't declare side-paddings on elements – boxes – that have declared width. Instead, declare side-margins on non-sized elements inside those sized boxes – like paragraphs, lists and so on. That'll minimize differences, and you will only have to take eventual border-widths into account. I'm dealing with Standard mode vs. Quirks mode box model differences all the time - by choice... http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_16.html ...so hitting the middle-ground has become routine. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re[2]: [WSG] Rockwell?
On Dec 21, 2007 10:05 AM, Jos Flachs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got a font problem: for a site I'm working on I'd like to use rockwell.ttf, in the h1 tag. Rockwell isn't a standard font, but every windows user has them, and it is also available for Mac. But I don't know if this font is in the Mac fontbook. And I'm pretty sure *nix users don't have it at all. It's not a standard Windows font, I'd be surprised if anyone apart from designers had it on their systems (unless it is now bundled with Vista?) Why not use sIFR - the demo even comes with the Rockwell .swf file. I've thinking about that. Search engines cannot read swf files. Doesn't make any difference if I use a gif of a swf. -- Best regards, Jos Flachsmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Rockwell?
On 21 Dec 2007, at 10:05, Jos Flachs wrote: Hi, I got a font problem: for a site I'm working on I'd like to use rockwell.ttf, in the h1 tag. Rockwell isn't a standard font, but every windows user has them, and it is also available for Mac. But I don't know if this font is in the Mac fontbook. And I'm pretty sure *nix users don't have it at all. I don't have Rockwell on any of my Windows installations (Win 95, 98, ME, 2000, XP Pro and Server 2003). I do have it on my old PowerMac (I can't remember which piece of software it came with), but not on my MacBook or MacBook Pro. Regards, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Re: [WSG] Mary-Anne Nayler is out of the office. [SEC=No Protective Marking Present]
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Re: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page.
Dear All, Many thanks for all the feedback on this question. It really serves to back up my own opinions and the message that I have been trying to convey to the client. As someone mentioned - the client is sure that they had 'seen it done somewhere'. My own view is along the lines of others - if the content is on a web page then someone can copy it one way or another, and this just has to be accepted. The client is intending to make the data available on a subscription basis, so that at least restricts access to paying customers. Thanks again for all the input - I will summarise and present to the client. Have a great Christmas one and all. Nick Chris Taylor wrote: From: Joe Ortenzi Sent: 21 December 2007 07:32 Why not simply make people register for it? Then you have their details and if you make the registration process intelligent, they will be aware they are being tracked and more likely to behave. All sorts of benefits and if the discussion forum is inside there as well then you can even claim some web 2.0-ness as an added benefit of registration! This to me seems like a good option, and by registering someone you could then give them a doctored version of the data including unique information to tie that particular view of the data with their session. That unique ID could be in a table cell, in the title of the page, as a footer etc. If you found a copy of that data with the unique session ID anywhere you could trace it back to a date, time, IP address and registered user. Of course the problem there is that anyone with a bit of HTML skill could remove the unique ID from the page. Still, it may help to deter casual copiers. Chris This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontrol.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Nick Roper partner logical elements innovative web and internet solutions zend/php mysql approved partner email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +44 1749 676798 www: www.logical.co.uk skype: nick.roper / +44 20 7870 9587 logical elements, 34 Chamberlain Street, Wells, Somerset, BA5 2PJ --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest (Out of the office until 7 Jan 08)
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Re: [WSG] [ADMIN] MIND YOUR OOO MESSAGE!
I belong to 20+ email lists, yet this is the ONLY list upon which OOF messages show up. I'm sure the many thousands of members on those lists aren't that conscientious. There has to be something that YAHOO and other list programs are doing to prevent them from getting through. And it can't be that complicated, since some of them are managed by non-technical individuals. From: Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] [ADMIN] MIND YOUR OOO MESSAGE! SO! Make sure you set your Out Of Office message so it doesn't reply to your mailing lists. It takes a little more effort, but it stops us thinking you're a dork. And you aren't one. (Are you?) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page.
Nick Roper wrote: We have been asked by a client whether it is possible to any extent to prevent/deter users from copying content from a particular web page. The best solution I can think of is to implement a policy to cover that content. Either get the user to sign a non-disclosure agreement or set this up electronically with a screen that has a check box to say the user agrees to the non-disclousre policy before proceeding to view the content - maybe the first time they log in. This way if they breach it you have some legal recourse (maybe?). But importantly, they are made aware of the seriousness regarding the use of the information and the consequences of breaching the trust put in them. You could add some javascript to popup some reminders on certain keyboard actions etc that some users will see and some won't - I guess it reminds them of the situation. And maybe add a small disclaimer to the bottom of every page stating the terms conditions. -- Chris Knowles *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] [ADMIN] MIND YOUR OOO MESSAGE!
You could surely block all emails that have out of office in the subject that would cut out about 90% of them! Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.bendodson.com/ On 21/12/2007, Chris Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I belong to 20+ email lists, yet this is the ONLY list upon which OOF messages show up. I'm sure the many thousands of members on those lists aren't that conscientious. There has to be something that YAHOO and other list programs are doing to prevent them from getting through. And it can't be that complicated, since some of them are managed by non-technical individuals. From: Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] [ADMIN] MIND YOUR OOO MESSAGE! SO! Make sure you set your Out Of Office message so it doesn't reply to your mailing lists. It takes a little more effort, but it stops us thinking you're a dork. And you aren't one. (Are you?) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Rockwell?
You really have 4 options: 1) Select a different, more available font. 2) Use that font, and then have it go to a more standard one if that one isn't available. (like font-family: rockwell, arial, serif) 3) Make an image with the header 4) Embed the font. WARNING: This is almost certainly copyright infringement. I really recommend selecting a different, more standard font. If that isn't an option, I would just go with option 2. Use Rockwell, but have a more standard font list after Rockwell. If I remember correctly, I think Rockwell is similar to Impact, which is more standard. You could make an image out of it, but that is kind of a waste and then it wouldn't be selectable as text, which is a hassle. If you do this, make sure you have an alt tag that says the same text. Jos Flachs wrote: Hi, I got a font problem: for a site I'm working on I'd like to use rockwell.ttf, in the h1 tag. Rockwell isn't a standard font, but every windows user has them, and it is also available for Mac. But I don't know if this font is in the Mac fontbook. And I'm pretty sure *nix users don't have it at all. Is it a better solution to use a gif instead? (Most of the visitors are Windows users.) Thanks for any advice, Jos Flachs mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bangkok, Thailand *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[EVEN MORE ADMINISH] thread closed Re: [WSG] [ADMIN] MIND YOUR OOO MESSAGE!
Hi guys! If you have strong feelings about this, we welcome your email at the address down the bottom of this message :waits while you scroll down then back up: However, we like to keep meta discussions off the list - 98% of the members don't want to hear it. So, thread closed. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
