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Re: [WSG] Ideas for Corporate Presentation on Web Standards and Semantic Web

[James Pickering]

 varun krishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Hi All,
> 
> I work for a company where there are about 1000 employees and We are mainly
> into Web Development.
> 
> Im taking a presentation on Web Standards and the Semantic Web next week and
> I want make sure that I put across some really valuable info.
> 
> Im a web developer and give a lot of importance to web standards.
> 
> can any one you help me with wat i can talk about ?

Hi Varun. Please feel free to use material from my pages:

http://jp29.org/wpointerop.htm (Interoperability)
http://jp29.org/wpowca.htm (Web Content Accessibility)

In the preparation of your presentation -- if you find it appropriate or useful.

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Re: [WSG] Ideas for Corporate Presentation on Web Standards and Semantic Web

[Grant Young]

Hi Varun.

I'm not sure if you're looking for specific examples or techniques
that you'd like to present, or a general overview of "why use
standards"?

If it's the latter, I would argue that standards, when used well:

* Reduce overall cost of development for cross-browser compatibility
* Assist with search engine optimisation (semantic markup, cleaner
HTML improve crawlability, source ordering)
* Increase performance of websites and applications (through
modularisation of re-usable components + reduced page weight via less
code required for styling)
* Increased maintainability and separation of content & visual display
(easier to change look & feel across site - either tweaks or complete
overhauls)
* Improved accessibility for visually impaired users and mobile devices

There's possibly more, but that's probably a good core set of benefits.

I would also suggest that standards by themselves do not ensure these
things - I've seen plenty of designers that claim to understand
standards producing sub-standard markup, particularly in terms of
semantic value.

HTH. Grant


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Re: [WSG] Ideas for Corporate Presentation on Web Standards and Semantic Web

[Tim Offenstein]

At 12:23 AM +0530 1/18/08, varun krishnan wrote:
Hi All,

I work for a company where there are about 1000 employees and We are 
mainly into Web Development.


Im taking a presentation on Web Standards and the Semantic Web next 
week and I want make sure that I put across some really valuable info.


Im a web developer and give a lot of importance to web standards.

can any one you help me with wat i can talk about ?


Hi Varun,

You may want to mention that web standards help insure cross platform 
compatibility, not just with other desktop computers but also PDA's, 
cell phones, screen reading software, etc.


Good luck on your presentation.

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Re: [WSG] Ideas for Corporate Presentation on Web Standards and Semantic Web

[Rochester oliveira]

I think you may talk about the accessibility issues that semantic and web
standards help.
You can show what the use of standards can help in the development.


2008/1/17, varun krishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I work for a company where there are about 1000 employees and We are
> mainly into Web Development.
>
> Im taking a presentation on Web Standards and the Semantic Web next week
> and I want make sure that I put across some really valuable info.
>
> Im a web developer and give a lot of importance to web standards.
>
> can any one you help me with wat i can talk about ?
>
> regards,
>
> Varun
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[WSG] Ideas for Corporate Presentation on Web Standards and Semantic Web

[varun krishnan]

Hi All,

I work for a company where there are about 1000 employees and We are mainly
into Web Development.

Im taking a presentation on Web Standards and the Semantic Web next week and
I want make sure that I put across some really valuable info.

Im a web developer and give a lot of importance to web standards.

can any one you help me with wat i can talk about ?

regards,

Varun


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RE: [WSG] HTML5 Working Draft

[Conyers, Dwayne]

James Pickering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Input/Participation is needed - don't miss these opportunities to have your 
> say.

Sounds like a fun weekend project.. while the snow falls out here on the 
Eastern USA.  Also, will be a nice change from all of the OASIS standards that 
have been coming my way.

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Re: [WSG] Definition List appropriate for FAQ?

[Diego La Monica]

I think that the most semantic solution would be:
ol/li for questions list and dt/dd for questions and answers.
But a ol/li would be adequatelly correct.

Cheers
Diego

On 17/01/2008, Jason Pruim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2008, at 10:01 AM, Christian Snodgrass wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I've been trying to decide which is more semantically correct for an
> > FAQ, either 2 paragraph (one for the question, one for the answer),
> > a single paragraph (with spans for formating), or a definition list.
> > I think the definition list is probably the most appropriate, but at
> > the same time you can't really call an FAQ a list of definitions, so
> > I'm not really sure. What are your thoughts on this?
> >
> > Thanks.
>
> When I setup my FAQ's for my website, I put them in ordered lists...
> But I didn't know much about semantics at that point, but to me it
> still seems to fit good :)
>
>
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[WSG] HTML5 Working Draft

[James Pickering]

Latest iterations:

http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/

Input/Participation is needed - don't miss these opportunities to have your say.

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Re: [WSG] Definition List appropriate for FAQ?

[Dave Woods]

Hi,

Personally, I'd use eading's for the questions and aragraphs for the
answers but that's down to my own preference and have seen it done a variety
of ways.

Cheers
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On 17/01/2008, Mike at Green-Beast.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello Christian,
>
> > I've been trying to decide which is more semantically correct for an FAQ
> > [...]
> > definition list is probably the most appropriate
>
> My vote is in favor of a DL. I feel it is absolutely the most appropriate
> element to use in such a case.
>
> Cheers.
> Mike Cherim
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Re: [WSG] Definition List appropriate for FAQ?

[E Michael Brandt]

When he designed divaFAQ, Thierry Koblentz felt that DLs were the best 
way to go for FAQs.


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Re: [WSG] Definition List appropriate for FAQ?

[James Pickering]

 Christian Snodgrass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

> I've been trying to decide which is more semantically correct for an 
> FAQ, either 2 paragraph (one for the question, one for the answer), a 
> single paragraph (with spans for formating), or a definition list. I 
> think the definition list is probably the most appropriate, but at the 
> same time you can't really call an FAQ a list of definitions, so I'm not 
> really sure. What are your thoughts on this?
I am not really sure either, Christian, but I did make up my FAQ using a 
definition list:: http://jp29.org/wpa.htm

James
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Re: [WSG] Definition List appropriate for FAQ?

[Christian Snodgrass]

Thanks everyone for the replies. I think I will go with a definition 
list, which is what I was leaning towards in the first place.


Thierry Koblentz wrote:

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Christian Snodgrass
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:02 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Definition List appropriate for FAQ?

Hello,

I've been trying to decide which is more semantically correct for an
FAQ, either 2 paragraph (one for the question, one for the answer), a
single paragraph (with spans for formating), or a definition list. I
think the definition list is probably the most appropriate, but at the
same time you can't really call an FAQ a list of definitions, so I'm
not



http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#h-10.3
"Definition lists vary only slightly from other types of lists in that list
items consist of two parts: a term and a description."
Note that in the above paragraph they use the term "description" rather than
"definition". 


You may also want to read the thread "semantic list with explanation" from
last week. As it discusses an issue specific to DLs

And this in case you plan to make the Qs toggle (on/off) the As:
http://tjkdesign.com/articles/toggle_elements.asp

  



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RE: [WSG] Definition List appropriate for FAQ?

[Thierry Koblentz]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Christian Snodgrass
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:02 AM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: [WSG] Definition List appropriate for FAQ?
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I've been trying to decide which is more semantically correct for an
> FAQ, either 2 paragraph (one for the question, one for the answer), a
> single paragraph (with spans for formating), or a definition list. I
> think the definition list is probably the most appropriate, but at the
> same time you can't really call an FAQ a list of definitions, so I'm
> not

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#h-10.3
"Definition lists vary only slightly from other types of lists in that list
items consist of two parts: a term and a description."
Note that in the above paragraph they use the term "description" rather than
"definition". 

You may also want to read the thread "semantic list with explanation" from
last week. As it discusses an issue specific to DLs

And this in case you plan to make the Qs toggle (on/off) the As:
http://tjkdesign.com/articles/toggle_elements.asp

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Re: [WSG] Definition List appropriate for FAQ?

[Mike at Green-Beast.com]

Hello Christian,

I've been trying to decide which is more semantically correct for an FAQ 
[...]

definition list is probably the most appropriate


My vote is in favor of a DL. I feel it is absolutely the most appropriate 
element to use in such a case.


Cheers.
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Re: [WSG] Definition List appropriate for FAQ?

[Jason Pruim]

On Jan 17, 2008, at 10:01 AM, Christian Snodgrass wrote:


Hello,

I've been trying to decide which is more semantically correct for an  
FAQ, either 2 paragraph (one for the question, one for the answer),  
a single paragraph (with spans for formating), or a definition list.  
I think the definition list is probably the most appropriate, but at  
the same time you can't really call an FAQ a list of definitions, so  
I'm not really sure. What are your thoughts on this?


Thanks.


When I setup my FAQ's for my website, I put them in ordered lists...  
But I didn't know much about semantics at that point, but to me it  
still seems to fit good :)




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[WSG] Definition List appropriate for FAQ?

[Christian Snodgrass]

Hello,

I've been trying to decide which is more semantically correct for an 
FAQ, either 2 paragraph (one for the question, one for the answer), a 
single paragraph (with spans for formating), or a definition list. I 
think the definition list is probably the most appropriate, but at the 
same time you can't really call an FAQ a list of definitions, so I'm not 
really sure. What are your thoughts on this?


Thanks.
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Re: [WSG] "Cannot go back"

[Andrew Maben]

On Jan 17, 2008, at 5:11 AM, Jamie Stewart wrote:

One is by using JavaScript, history.back() is what you will want to  
use.  If you don't want to use JavaScript it is possible through  
code, well with .Net at least.  You can easily access the  
UrlRefferer which gives you the full URL of the previous page.


Of course, disabling the browser back button is "evil" and  
unnecessary...


The JS solution might work, but the question is how far back in the  
history one must go to escape the clutches of the evil app.


In my day job, the library's web site offers patrons access to  
various subscription databases - the user authenticates with a valid  
library card number on our site and is then passed forward to the  
database site. (Oh yes, and the back button does work). Almost daily  
we get complaints from patrons that the authentication doesn't work  
for them. In almost every instance we find they have Norton Internet  
Security installed. By default Norton suppresses referring URLs. This  
is a hugely popular app that most users install and never even look  
at the settings.


So neither of these solutions will be 100% reliable.

I'm probably a bit of an extremist, but I'm probably not alone - if I  
visit a site that tries to keep me imprisoned like this, I close the  
browser window and *never* return. No site is so compelling and so  
unique as to require that I (or any other user) put up with this abuse.


Can you ask the developers why and how they created this  
dysfunctionality? My guess is that there's some kind of preprocessing  
that goes on before allowing the user into the site itself, and the  
back button takes the user back to that page, which bumps them  
forward again. There is no technical constraint that requires this  
behavior. I seem to recall some "wisdom" from the 90s that proclaimed  
the desirability of keeping users on your site at all costs, but that  
has long since been discounted. But if there really is some  
compelling non-technical reason for not allowing users to escape back  
the way they came, then I'd suggest that this is a case where opening  
a new window would be justifiable.


Andrew







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Re: [WSG] "Cannot go back"

[Jamie Stewart]

There are a couple of ways of putting links on your page which mimic the
back button that I know of.

One is by using JavaScript, history.back() is what you will want to use.  If
you don't want to use JavaScript it is possible through code, well with .Net
at least.  You can easily access the UrlRefferer which gives you the full
URL of the previous page.

I hope this helps

Jamie.


On 17/01/2008, Simon Cockayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> I use an internal web application that someone else coded.
>
> Once I have navigated to URL for this web app (from whenever I was) I can
> never go back to where I came from...which is very frustrating.
>
> The developers of the web app say that the back button processing has been
> overridden and it is not possible to go back to the place the user was
> before they entered the web app.
>
>
> Is there no "standard" way to prevent the back button from really going
> back...but provide some mechanism (a different button/link on the page) to
> allow the user to go back to where they were before the app started?
>
>
> Oh..and Happy New Year.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Simon
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[WSG] "Cannot go back"

[Simon Cockayne]

Hi,

I use an internal web application that someone else coded.

Once I have navigated to URL for this web app (from whenever I was) I can
never go back to where I came from...which is very frustrating.

The developers of the web app say that the back button processing has been
overridden and it is not possible to go back to the place the user was
before they entered the web app.


Is there no "standard" way to prevent the back button from really going
back...but provide some mechanism (a different button/link on the page) to
allow the user to go back to where they were before the app started?


Oh..and Happy New Year.

Cheers,

Simon


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