Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
I concur. Having it as a p is a much better way of dealing with it rather than having it as an image or h1. To me its less about SEO and much more about usability. People don't really care about your company, they're simply after the major headlines. Having a company logo take up the majority of the real-estate is less user-friendly and much more spammy. Maybe I am just a minimalist. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Jens-Uwe Korff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The H1 should be used for the most important heading, usually the name of the page I second that. We used to have lots of logos in h1s too, and after a thorough SEO discussion we changed that to a p. The h1 now holds the page title. Cheers, Jens The information contained in this e-mail message and any accompanying files is or may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, reliance, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail or any attached files is unauthorised. This e-mail is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or communicated without the written consent of the copyright owner. If you have received this e-mail in error please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail or telephone and delete all copies. Fairfax does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained in this e-mail or attached files. Internet communications are not secure, therefore Fairfax does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message or attached files. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - Anton Babushkin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
On 29 May 2008, at 05:32, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote: We used to have lots of logos in h1s too, and after a thorough SEO discussion we changed that to a p. Out of curiosity, is a logo img at the top of the page more semantically correct when wrapped in a p than when it's just on it's own (ie. not wrapped in anything other than, say, a 'header' div)? -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
I would personally not be using a p tag too hold the logo? Why would you want too? you can position as you want without the need for extra markup. img src=logo.png alt=My company logo width=150px height=300px id=logo / - that makes it pretty obvious. of course if you only have 1 image in the header then you don't need the id either. Semantically I don't think it needs to be in any other tags at all. I think if people start think UO rather than SEO then the answers to most questions become a lot clearer - UO is a term I coined just the other day - UO = user optimisation. Cheers Adam Rick Lecoat wrote: On 29 May 2008, at 05:32, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote: We used to have lots of logos in h1s too, and after a thorough SEO discussion we changed that to a p. Out of curiosity, is a logo img at the top of the page more semantically correct when wrapped in a p than when it's just on it's own (ie. not wrapped in anything other than, say, a 'header' div)? -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
Out of curiosity, is a logo img at the top of the page more semantically correct when wrapped in a p than when it's just on it's own (ie. not wrapped in anything other than, say, a 'header' div)? Easy! A p tag is supposed to hold a paragraph of text. If it is only holding an image, then there is no need for the surrounding p tag. Some people (including myself) feel uncomfortable with the img floating by itself, so wrapping it in a div id=header or something is a nice alternative. -- Matt Fellows http://www.onegeek.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
Adam Martin wrote: I think if people start think UO rather than SEO then the answers to most questions become a lot clearer - UO is a term I coined just the other day - UO = user optimisation. How excellent! I'm sure we can build a whole consulting industry around that! ;-) cheers mark *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
I intend too - as of tomorrow I am officially unemployed and working on launching my new business www.internetconsultants.com.au (site not even close too completion). Mark Harris wrote: Adam Martin wrote: I think if people start think UO rather than SEO then the answers to most questions become a lot clearer - UO is a term I coined just the other day - UO = user optimisation. How excellent! I'm sure we can build a whole consulting industry around that! ;-) cheers mark *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Re: Marking up company logo
There are several things to consider for the logo markup 1. it is a heading semantically, and if the image was not present, it would be a top level heading h1 as far as the information it provides 2. Search Engines only recognize/ rank the h1 and h2 headings (currently). 3. The older systems of using a logo image in the h1 as a background - are also not SEO friendly, either. So... If you want an accessible, browser friendly and findable website, there is the system that www.alistapart.com is now using for their logo. Using an h1 with an added id. sample: h1 id=masthead. This will distinguish it from the page titles, which are also h1 and keep it in heading order semantically. Also note, keep the image in the markup. Roxanne Sutton *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Marking up company logo
Hi Chris I'm not convinced that h1 is semantically correct for a logo (or even banner). I would normally expect the h1 to be similar to the title - it indicates what the whole page is about (but not the whole site). Elizabeth Spiegel Web editing topleft 0409 986 158 GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001 www.spiegelweb.com.au From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Pearce Sent: Wednesday, 28 May 2008 5:49 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Marking up company logo Hi, For a few years now I've been marking up a clients company logo as a h1. I just wanted to get an idea of how many people actually do this compared to using a html image tag? I believe a h1 is more semantically correct however I'd be interested in seeing what other people on this list think. Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***image001.gif
RE: [WSG] Marking up company logo
Thanks for all the feedback regarding this. I'm actually beginning to think an html image tag would be better suited to mark-up a company logo and reserving the h1 for the main page title, this seems to make more sense to me after giving it more thought. Also most of the sites I build use CMS's and clients will go ahead and use a h1 anyway for the top level heading in the editable area therefore the logical order of headers is broken. At the end of the day semantics means a lot more to me than SEO. On a side note I find I have to insert an image tag (for the logo) for the print version as most clients aren't happy about showing plain text from the h1 as we all know that printing background images is turned off by default. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Pearce Sent: Wednesday, 28 May 2008 5:49 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Marking up company logo Hi, For a few years now I've been marking up a clients company logo as a h1. I just wanted to get an idea of how many people actually do this compared to using a html image tag? I believe a h1 is more semantically correct however I'd be interested in seeing what other people on this list think. Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
I am surprised that we are even discussing this topic here. This issue is mentioned in the last sentence of this blog post: http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix/?p=5 Please follow the link provided in there to W3C site which mentions what h1 is there for. Kind regards, Jason www.flexewebs.com -- see also here where h1 appears on the page and how logo is done. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Chris Pearce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for all the feedback regarding this. I'm actually beginning to think an html image tag would be better suited to mark-up a company logo and reserving the h1 for the main page title, this seems to make more sense to me after giving it more thought. Also most of the sites I build use CMS's and clients will go ahead and use a h1 anyway for the top level heading in the editable area therefore the logical order of headers is broken. At the end of the day semantics means a lot more to me than SEO. On a side note I find I have to insert an image tag (for the logo) for the print version as most clients aren't happy about showing plain text from the h1 as we all know that printing background images is turned off by default. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Chris Pearce *Sent:* Wednesday, 28 May 2008 5:49 PM *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* [WSG] Marking up company logo Hi, For a few years now I've been marking up a clients company logo as a h1. I just wanted to get an idea of how many people actually do this compared to using a html image tag? I believe a h1 is more semantically correct however I'd be interested in seeing what other people on this list think. Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF
Hey all, I have a table set up with a main content cell in the center column of three, basically like this: table tr td colspan=3header/td /tr tr tdstuff/td tdthe most stuff/td tdstuff/td /tr tr td colspan=3footer/td /tr table On the server side I build a content page and user innerHMTL=content; ..in JS code to insert the content into the column labeled the most stuff. The problem is when that column has less content, and then shifts to more content the latter part of the content runs over the footer below the main content row. This is ONLY happening in Firefox, IE on windows works fine. Firefox has the problem on both Linux and Windows. Any help would greatly, greatly appreciated. -- Skip Evans Big Sky Penguin, LLC 503 S Baldwin St, #1 Madison, WI 53703 608-250-2720 http://bigskypenguin.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Check out PHPenguin, a lightweight and versatile PHP/MySQL, AJAX DHTML development framework. http://phpenguin.bigskypenguin.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF
Just put a clear both on the footer, i.e #footer { } On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Skip Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I have a table set up with a main content cell in the center column of three, basically like this: table tr td colspan=3header/td /tr tr tdstuff/td tdthe most stuff/td tdstuff/td /tr tr td colspan=3footer/td /tr table On the server side I build a content page and user innerHMTL=content; ..in JS code to insert the content into the column labeled the most stuff. The problem is when that column has less content, and then shifts to more content the latter part of the content runs over the footer below the main content row. This is ONLY happening in Firefox, IE on windows works fine. Firefox has the problem on both Linux and Windows. Any help would greatly, greatly appreciated. -- Skip Evans Big Sky Penguin, LLC 503 S Baldwin St, #1 Madison, WI 53703 608-250-2720 http://bigskypenguin.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Check out PHPenguin, a lightweight and versatile PHP/MySQL, AJAX DHTML development framework. http://phpenguin.bigskypenguin.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF
Sorry pushed return to quickly #footer { clear: both; } On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Skip Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I have a table set up with a main content cell in the center column of three, basically like this: table tr td colspan=3header/td /tr tr tdstuff/td tdthe most stuff/td tdstuff/td /tr tr td colspan=3footer/td /tr table On the server side I build a content page and user innerHMTL=content; ..in JS code to insert the content into the column labeled the most stuff. The problem is when that column has less content, and then shifts to more content the latter part of the content runs over the footer below the main content row. This is ONLY happening in Firefox, IE on windows works fine. Firefox has the problem on both Linux and Windows. Any help would greatly, greatly appreciated. -- Skip Evans Big Sky Penguin, LLC 503 S Baldwin St, #1 Madison, WI 53703 608-250-2720 http://bigskypenguin.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Check out PHPenguin, a lightweight and versatile PHP/MySQL, AJAX DHTML development framework. http://phpenguin.bigskypenguin.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF
Hey, We tried that just before you sent the message through. Same results. Skip Adam Martin wrote: Sorry pushed return to quickly #footer { clear: both; } On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Skip Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I have a table set up with a main content cell in the center column of three, basically like this: table tr td colspan=3header/td /tr tr tdstuff/td tdthe most stuff/td tdstuff/td /tr tr td colspan=3footer/td /tr table On the server side I build a content page and user innerHMTL=content; ..in JS code to insert the content into the column labeled the most stuff. The problem is when that column has less content, and then shifts to more content the latter part of the content runs over the footer below the main content row. This is ONLY happening in Firefox, IE on windows works fine. Firefox has the problem on both Linux and Windows. Any help would greatly, greatly appreciated. -- Skip Evans Big Sky Penguin, LLC 503 S Baldwin St, #1 Madison, WI 53703 608-250-2720 http://bigskypenguin.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Check out PHPenguin, a lightweight and versatile PHP/MySQL, AJAX DHTML development framework. http://phpenguin.bigskypenguin.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Skip Evans Big Sky Penguin, LLC 503 S Baldwin St, #1 Madison, WI 53703 608-250-2720 http://bigskypenguin.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Check out PHPenguin, a lightweight and versatile PHP/MySQL, AJAX DHTML development framework. http://phpenguin.bigskypenguin.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
For a few years now I've been marking up a clients company logo as a h1. I just wanted to get an idea of how many people actually do this compared to using a html image tag? I believe a h1 is more semantically correct however I'd be interested in seeing what other people on this list think. My take is that only the homepage should have the company name/logo as the h1. As you move through the site, the h1 should shift to the more specific top heading on the page - on a category/index page it would be that category's name; on a specific content page it should be the headline on the content. On these other pages the logo/name just goes in a div, usually with a strong. That way, you build a logical structure across the site. Each page will have a logical h1. That's the ideal of course. If your system doesn't allow for that sort of thing, having the logo as the h1 on every page isn't the end of the world, although you really need to make sure your title and h2 combination is accurate to make up for it :) cheers, Ben -- --- http://weblog.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Marking up company logo
I am surprised that we are even discussing this topic here. This issue is mentioned in the last sentence of this blog post: http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix/?p=5 Please follow the link provided in there to W3C site which mentions what h1 is there for. It's almost Friday, so here goes ;) I may be wrong, but with the millions of web sites out there identity/branding is a big deal. If I consider the name of the site being the most important piece of information in the document, then I have no problem putting it in a H1. As a side note, the URL you posted links to a document that does not mention your company/site name which is not in the TITLE element either, so I think this explains our different stances ;-) -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Marking up company logo
For a few years now I've been marking up a clients company logo as a h1. I just wanted to get an idea of how many people actually do this compared to using a html image tag? I believe a h1 is more semantically correct however I'd be interested in seeing what other people on this list think. My take is that only the homepage should have the company name/logo as the h1. As you move through the site, the h1 should shift to the more specific top heading on the page - on a category/index page it would be that category's name; on a specific content page it should be the headline on the content. fwiw, I don't see it that way. A web site is not a book, there is no cover. People can visit pages in a site without ever going through the home page. -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
An h1 is definitely not for marking up the company logo. A logo in a banner would go in a div, div id=logo. h1 is reserved for the semantically correct information for the main heading. Alistapart must have it wrong. Actually, looking through their code, they do appear to have it wrong. The h# tags are odd. When in doubt, see what Dan Cederholm at simplebits.com does, or the Happy Cog folks ( img id=logo src=/i/hc_logo_print.png alt=Happy Cog logo / ). They've never steered me wrong. j *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Skip Evans Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 4:41 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF Hey all, I have a table set up with a main content cell in the center column of three, basically like this: table tr td colspan=3header/td /tr tr tdstuff/td tdthe most stuff/td tdstuff/td /tr tr td colspan=3footer/td /tr table On the server side I build a content page and user innerHMTL=content; Did you try without using innerHTML? http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Core/introduction.html -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF
Hey, I see from reading up that innerHTML is not really standard, and not the best way to go. Was not aware of that and from the doc you send am now working on this: var maincontent=document.getElementById('newsnode'); maincontent.firstChild.nodeValue=ret; And the node looks like this: div id=newsnode!!main_content!!/div But this is not working. I guess the node itself is not the first node? Will keep working at it, but any hint would sure be appreciated. Incidentally, !!main_content!! is a placeholder value replaced via PHP with the initial content on page load. Thanks! Skip Thierry Koblentz wrote: Did you try without using innerHTML? http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Core/introduction.html -- Skip Evans Big Sky Penguin, LLC 503 S Baldwin St, #1 Madison, WI 53703 608-250-2720 http://bigskypenguin.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Check out PHPenguin, a lightweight and versatile PHP/MySQL, AJAX DHTML development framework. http://phpenguin.bigskypenguin.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF
Hey all, I got a little further with the following: var ret=serverFunction(url); var newsnode=document.getElementById('newsnode'); while(newsnode.firstChild) newsnode.removeChild(newsnode.firstChild); var txt = document.createTextNode(ret); newsnode.appendChild(txt); 1) I got the completed formatted HTML page back from serverFunction in the variable ret. 2) Then I cleared out all the child nodes in the div 3) Created a text node 4) Appended the new text to the node. Except, as those of you more experienced than I already knew, the HTML was not formatted. I guess that's why some people still prefer innerHTML? And I guess the only alternative is to create each element, including tags like strong, i, etc? So is this common? Format the whole page via JS code? Yikes! Thanks for any advice or comments, Skip Skip Evans wrote: Hey, I see from reading up that innerHTML is not really standard, and not the best way to go. Was not aware of that and from the doc you send am now working on this: var maincontent=document.getElementById('newsnode'); maincontent.firstChild.nodeValue=ret; And the node looks like this: div id=newsnode!!main_content!!/div But this is not working. I guess the node itself is not the first node? Will keep working at it, but any hint would sure be appreciated. Incidentally, !!main_content!! is a placeholder value replaced via PHP with the initial content on page load. Thanks! Skip Thierry Koblentz wrote: Did you try without using innerHTML? http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Core/introduction.html -- Skip Evans Big Sky Penguin, LLC 503 S Baldwin St, #1 Madison, WI 53703 608-250-2720 http://bigskypenguin.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Check out PHPenguin, a lightweight and versatile PHP/MySQL, AJAX DHTML development framework. http://phpenguin.bigskypenguin.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF
This isn't necessarily answering your question, but in the interest of standards I thought I should point out that your table is not well formed. There are header (thead and th), body (tbody), and footer (tfoot) elements that you can and should use, as well as a caption (optional). Your table should look something like this: table captionDescription of the Table/caption thead thead tr th colspan=3Header/th /tr /thead tbody tr tdstuff/td tdthe most stuff/td tdstuff/td /tr /tbody tfoot tr td colspan=3footer/td /tr /tfoot table Cheers, Jason On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Skip Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I see from reading up that innerHTML is not really standard, and not the best way to go. Was not aware of that and from the doc you send am now working on this: var maincontent=document.getElementById('newsnode'); maincontent.firstChild.nodeValue=ret; And the node looks like this: div id=newsnode!!main_content!!/div But this is not working. I guess the node itself is not the first node? Will keep working at it, but any hint would sure be appreciated. Incidentally, !!main_content!! is a placeholder value replaced via PHP with the initial content on page load. Thanks! Skip Thierry Koblentz wrote: Did you try without using innerHTML? http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Core/introduction.html -- Skip Evans Big Sky Penguin, LLC 503 S Baldwin St, #1 Madison, WI 53703 608-250-2720 http://bigskypenguin.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Check out PHPenguin, a lightweight and versatile PHP/MySQL, AJAX DHTML development framework. http://phpenguin.bigskypenguin.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Skip Evans Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 6:58 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF Hey, I see from reading up that innerHTML is not really standard, and not the best way to go. Was not aware of that and from the doc you send am now working on this: var maincontent=document.getElementById('newsnode'); maincontent.firstChild.nodeValue=ret; And the node looks like this: div id=newsnode!!main_content!!/div Try this: var maincontent=document.getElementById('newsnode'); maincontent.firstChild.data=Hello World!; -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF
Thierry Koblentz wrote: And the node looks like this: div id=newsnode!!main_content!!/div Try this: var maincontent=document.getElementById('newsnode'); maincontent.firstChild.data=Hello World!; That is not changing the content of the div tag, or anything on the screen. -- Skip Evans Big Sky Penguin, LLC 503 S Baldwin St, #1 Madison, WI 53703 608-250-2720 http://bigskypenguin.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Check out PHPenguin, a lightweight and versatile PHP/MySQL, AJAX DHTML development framework. http://phpenguin.bigskypenguin.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF
And the node looks like this: div id=newsnode!!main_content!!/div Try this: var maincontent=document.getElementById('newsnode'); maincontent.firstChild.data=Hello World!; That is not changing the content of the div tag, or anything on the screen. It should. What happens when you run the following in the Firebug console? $('newsnode').firstChild.data=Hello World!; -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***