Re: [WSG] E-commerce

2009-02-26 Thread Robert Turner




Hi Kevin,

(My apologies if this comes across as blunt).. Your question is like
asking what a good overall software solution is, it all depends on
requirements and target environment. If you provide some more specific
information I'm sure someone can help you out.

=] Rob


Kevin Erickson wrote:

  
  
  

  
  Hi,
  Does
anyone have input on what is a good Web standards e-commerce
solution?
  Thanks,
  Kevin
  
  
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Re: [WSG] Safari Beta 4

2009-02-26 Thread Dyre Hult
Opera 10 was unveiled already last year and do pass the web standards 
Acid 3 test. Safari 4 was unveiled this month. Both browsers are still 
in the dev stage, so I reckon Mr. Andrew Lyle was misinformed.


http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/presto-2-2-and-opera-10-a-first-look/

Todd Budnikas wrote:

according to Mr. Andrew Lyle:
Safari 4 is the first web browser to pass the web standards Acid 3 
test which demonstrates how well a browser adheres to CSS, javascript, 
XML and SVG.


So, i'd say it's handling them pretty well :)

http://acid3.acidtests.org/


On Feb 25, 2009, at 10:39 PM, Kevin Erickson wrote:


Hi,
Anyone know about how the new Safari Beta 4 is handling the current 
standards of the Web?
 
Thanks,
Kevin  


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Re: [WSG] DHTML Menus

2009-02-26 Thread David Dorward

Al Sparber wrote:
... then don't use an ancient DHTML menu that carries your links in a 
script file. Instead, use a modern menu that employs list-based markup 
and a script that visually and interactively enhances that markup, 
progressively and unobtrusively. Today's options in that area are many.
Splurging every significant link in the site in a set of lists at the 
top of every page probably isn't ideal for the speed of the site, or its 
usability in browsers without JS (who wants to scroll through four 
screens of links on each page of a site)?


Linking to category index pages is probably a better approach most of 
the time.


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http://dorward.me.uk/



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Re: [WSG] Safari Beta 4

2009-02-26 Thread daniel
Well Webkit technically passed Acid 3 around the same time as Opera -  
late March '08 (28th) - but whilst Opera's Presto engine renders the  
final animation properly it doesn't render it smoothly, thus hasn't  
passed the test - so I reckon Mr Todd Budnikas was misinformed (: it's  
really just a pissing contest though with no relevance to the real  
world.


it would be much more interesting to discuss IE8's compliance again.  
All compliant sites that I've made render fine in Safari 3  4 and  
FIrefox 3 but always fail to work 100% on IE...


side note: I've been using Safari 4 for a couple of days and I  
absolutely love it - it loads and renders pages much faster than FF  
and JS intensive pages are faster then ever - besides, who really uses  
Opera anyway?! Additionally I've found Safari's developer tools  
indispensable and much more useful than FF's Web Dev addon, especially  
with tools like activity monitor and element inspectors as they have  
the ability to test and examine AJAX, JS and plugin content.


daniel a. thornbury

On 26/02/2009, at 10:34 PM, Dyre Hult wrote:

Opera 10 was unveiled already last year and do pass the web  
standards Acid 3 test. Safari 4 was unveiled this month. Both  
browsers are still in the dev stage, so I reckon Mr. Andrew Lyle was  
misinformed.


http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/presto-2-2-and-opera-10-a-first-look/

Todd Budnikas wrote:

according to Mr. Andrew Lyle:
Safari 4 is the first web browser to pass the web standards Acid 3  
test which demonstrates how well a browser adheres to CSS,  
javascript, XML and SVG.


So, i'd say it's handling them pretty well :)

http://acid3.acidtests.org/


On Feb 25, 2009, at 10:39 PM, Kevin Erickson wrote:


Hi,
Anyone know about how the new Safari Beta 4 is handling the  
current standards of the Web?

Thanks,
Kevin
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[WSG] Safari 4 and 3.2 Running Simultaneously

2009-02-26 Thread Gregorio Espadas
Hi folks... I want to install Safari 4 in Microsoft Windows for testing
pourposes, but I don't want to dismiss Safari 3.2. I've been searching for a
solution (installing Safari 4 without affect the current installation of
Safari 3.2), but I didn't find anything.

I find out that the Safari 4 installation updates the Webkit Framework, not
only the browser itself... so, I guess installing in a different folder
won't work.

I'm aware that Safari 4 includes a User Agent changer, but I guess this tool
is not for rendering, only for masquerade in order to use certain webapps.

Any one knows how to accomplish this goal? I'll appreciate any suggestion.

Gregorio Espadas


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Re: [WSG] DHTML Menus

2009-02-26 Thread Al Sparber

From: David Dorward da...@dorward.me.uk

Al Sparber wrote:
... then don't use an ancient DHTML menu that carries your links in a 
script file. Instead, use a modern menu that employs list-based markup 
and a script that visually and interactively enhances that markup, 
progressively and unobtrusively. Today's options in that area are many.
Splurging every significant link in the site in a set of lists at the top 
of every page probably isn't ideal for the speed of the site, or its 
usability in browsers without JS (who wants to scroll through four screens 
of links on each page of a site)?


Linking to category index pages is probably a better approach most of the 
time.


I agree wholeheartedly. In the case of menu scripts we write, this is how 
we'd like to see folks who use our scripts deploy them:

http://www.projectseven.com/products/menusystems/pmm2/ug-examples/accessible/index.htm

It's like those alcoholic beverage commercials where they end with a note to 
drink responsibly :-)


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RE: [WSG] Safari 4 and 3.2 Running Simultaneously

2009-02-26 Thread michael.brockington
Sounds like a case for a virtual machine, both the Microsoft and VMWare
products are free.
 
Mike



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Sent: 26 February 2009 15:21
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Safari 4 and 3.2 Running Simultaneously


You might could try the custom installation when installing and then
creating and naming a different folder in your Program Files
folder...name it something different than the currently installed Safari
browser's folder...

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Brett P.



On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Gregorio Espadas gespa...@gmail.com
wrote:


Hi folks... I want to install Safari 4 in Microsoft Windows for
testing pourposes, but I don't want to dismiss Safari 3.2. I've been
searching for a solution (installing Safari 4 without affect the current
installation of Safari 3.2), but I didn't find anything.

I find out that the Safari 4 installation updates the Webkit
Framework, not only the browser itself... so, I guess installing in a
different folder won't work.

I'm aware that Safari 4 includes a User Agent changer, but I
guess this tool is not for rendering, only for masquerade in order to
use certain webapps.

Any one knows how to accomplish this goal? I'll appreciate any
suggestion.

Gregorio Espadas






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Re: [WSG] E-commerce

2009-02-26 Thread James Ellis
Kevin 

There have been several discussions on the list regarding ecomm systems, you 
might find your answers browsing the archives:

http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=ecommercel=wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org

Thanks
James


On Thursday 26 February 2009 16:27:17 Kevin Erickson wrote:
 Hi,

 Does anyone have input on what is a good Web standards e-commerce solution?

 Thanks,

 Kevin


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RE: [WSG] DHTML Menus

2009-02-26 Thread Thierry Koblentz
 -Original Message-
 From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
 Behalf Of David Dorward
 Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:53 AM
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: Re: [WSG] DHTML Menus

[snip]

 Take, for instance, a menu that depends on the user moving the mouse
 over the title to cause the menu to appear.
 
 Now approach it with a keyboard - there aren't any links (in their
 theoretical example) for the focus to go to, so the menu can't be used -
 even those the client supports JavaScript.
 
 Next approach it with a touch screen (on an iPhone for example). The
 client supports JS. The client can click. But the client can't hover the
 pointer over anything. It's broken again.
 
 Then there are other arguments again them:
 http://www.message.uk.com/index.php?page=81

[screen reader users] have no choice but to listen to the whole darn list

I'm not sure the above argument is valid since it depends how the list items
are hidden, as these two different examples show:
- http://tjkdesign.com/articles/new_drop_down/
- http://tjkdesign.com/articles/keyboard_friendly_dropdown_menu/EK.asp


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