Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?
On Oct 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Christian Fagan wrote:
Agree with pretty much everything below.
There seems to be no compelling reason to wrap the logo in a
H1but there seems to be no compelling reason not to.
Quite a number of my clients have taglines in their logos, and often
times, the tagline is part of the keywords they wanted to target. I
see this an compelling reason to wrap the logo in a h1.
I almost never use logo in inline image but background. If client
wants to place a logo in the footer, then yes, this one uses inline
image.
h1Fresh Green: Fresh ideas for green living/h1
h1 {background: url(logo.png) no-repeat}
Also, for an eCommerce site, the first heading (if H1 is not used in
logo) usually is category name, product name (*), my cart, sitemap.
* Product name is most important compare with category name, name
cart, sitemap, about us, contact usI can serve a different
template to use H1 for product name . As for other pages, to my
clients, their taglines are more importance than category names such
as outdoor, indoor, gift ideas, about us.
None of the replies that against using h1 for logo can convince me nor
my clients that having company name and tagline on every page is
illegal, wrong, unsemantical. There are chopsticks users, there are
fork and spoon users and they are hand users. I am a chopstick user
and you a fork and spoon user and who are we to say that the hand user
is illegal and wrong? I eat with my right hand when I visit India and
Nepal and when I eat with my muslim friends. And I use fork and spoon
when I am with friends who use only this combination or visit non-
Asian restaurant.
tee
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RE: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?
No-one has said there is anything wrong with including a tagline on every
page.
It is a bad idea however if you make it a H1 and then have that repeat on
every page.
Do you include a second H1 on the page too? No?
When you add a background image to a H1 - you may style it to look like an
image/logo but the source code only shows a heading. If the text in the
heading is still visible to your visitors and you dont use this on multiple
pages (i.e. only on the homepage) then this is fine.
If however you have an img and wrap it with a H1 then that makes no sense
at all no matter what cutlery you are ;)
Darren Lovelock
Munky Online Web Design
http://www.munkyonline.co.uk
T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?
On Oct 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Christian Fagan wrote:
Agree with pretty much everything below.
There seems to be no compelling reason to wrap the logo in a H1but
there seems to be no compelling reason not to.
Quite a number of my clients have taglines in their logos, and often times,
the tagline is part of the keywords they wanted to target. I see this an
compelling reason to wrap the logo in a h1.
I almost never use logo in inline image but background. If client wants to
place a logo in the footer, then yes, this one uses inline image.
h1Fresh Green: Fresh ideas for green living/h1
h1 {background: url(logo.png) no-repeat}
Also, for an eCommerce site, the first heading (if H1 is not used in
logo) usually is category name, product name (*), my cart, sitemap.
* Product name is most important compare with category name, name cart,
sitemap, about us, contact usI can serve a different template to use H1
for product name . As for other pages, to my clients, their taglines are
more importance than category names such as outdoor, indoor, gift
ideas, about us.
None of the replies that against using h1 for logo can convince me nor my
clients that having company name and tagline on every page is illegal,
wrong, unsemantical. There are chopsticks users, there are fork and spoon
users and they are hand users. I am a chopstick user and you a fork and
spoon user and who are we to say that the hand user is illegal and wrong? I
eat with my right hand when I visit India and Nepal and when I eat with my
muslim friends. And I use fork and spoon when I am with friends who use only
this combination or visit non- Asian restaurant.
tee
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Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?
On Oct 19, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Darren Lovelock wrote: No-one has said there is anything wrong with including a tagline on every page. My point wasn't arguing that someone said it's wrong to t include a tagline on every page. It's more about this: in some situations, logo use in the website, isn't the same as it's used in conventional manner that we see on print media. I view that Page title is an important element for a page, considering that not everyone visits a site always lands in the homepage first, a page within a website can be treated as a unique and single 'entity', in this sense, I don't see it inappropriate to have logo and tagline repeated in every page wrapped in H1, when the page title can do the work. Example: I see this equally bad About Us page Page title: About Us - company name H1: About Us as you see this bad idea Page title: About Us H1 : logo with tagline It is a bad idea however if you make it a H1 and then have that repeat on every page. It's bad idea because you and I and are standing on different sides of the hill, and the view you and I see are different. So there is no bad or better in an absolute point of view. I use h1 for most important heading when I consider the logo doesn't deserve H1. Do you include a second H1 on the page too? No? A bit arrogant question. Guess you think people who use h1 for logo don't know anything about semantic markup :) tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Online shop package recommendations please.
I've had good luck with FatFreeCart for simple, non-demanding situations. http://www.fatfreecart.com/ - Original Message - From: hed...@digitalessence.net To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 2:34 PM Subject: [WSG] Online shop package recommendations please. Hi, I'm in the process of quoting a few ecommerce packages/websites and currently looking at opencart (for a free and non supported solution) and JShop for a more pro supported version. Does anyone have any packages that they recommend? http://www.opencart.com/ http://www.jshop.co.uk/index I'm not requiring bar codes or EPOS integration so need to keep it simple. thanks. Hedley Phillips Digital Essence T: 01306 627 128 M: 07940 508 417 E: hed...@digitalessence.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?
Do you include a second H1 on the page too? No? A bit arrogant question. Guess you think people who use h1 for logo don't know anything about semantic markup :) Not really considering that's the topic of the discussion. The orginal post is about placing an h1 around the logo and then using an additional H1 in the page. As I said in an earlier email. The reason why logos were being used with H1 tags is because they are usually placed at the start of a document and therefore they could be used to maintain the correct page structure when a website was using a multi-column layout. Wrapping a logo with an H1 purely for SEO purposes is not a good practice. Repeating keyword heavy titles sitewide is also bad SEO. Darren Lovelock Munky Online Web Design http://www.munkyonline.co.uk T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893 -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of tee Sent: 19 October 2009 20:32 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1? On Oct 19, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Darren Lovelock wrote: No-one has said there is anything wrong with including a tagline on every page. My point wasn't arguing that someone said it's wrong to t include a tagline on every page. It's more about this: in some situations, logo use in the website, isn't the same as it's used in conventional manner that we see on print media. I view that Page title is an important element for a page, considering that not everyone visits a site always lands in the homepage first, a page within a website can be treated as a unique and single 'entity', in this sense, I don't see it inappropriate to have logo and tagline repeated in every page wrapped in H1, when the page title can do the work. Example: I see this equally bad About Us page Page title: About Us - company name H1: About Us as you see this bad idea Page title: About Us H1 : logo with tagline It is a bad idea however if you make it a H1 and then have that repeat on every page. It's bad idea because you and I and are standing on different sides of the hill, and the view you and I see are different. So there is no bad or better in an absolute point of view. I use h1 for most important heading when I consider the logo doesn't deserve H1. Do you include a second H1 on the page too? No? A bit arrogant question. Guess you think people who use h1 for logo don't know anything about semantic markup :) tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:32 PM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote: Do you include a second H1 on the page too? No? A bit arrogant question. Guess you think people who use h1 for logo don't know anything about semantic markup :) tee, thry this on for size. from the w3c html elements about what an h1 reference is. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H1 cheers, dwain -- Fear of the devil is one way of doubting God. - Kahlil Gibran *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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