Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]
Thanks everyone for these interesting stats - depressing as they are. Lucien - I assume it's not a typo when you say your IT department is now rolling out IE7. I'm curious to know the rationale behind that cf. going straight to IE8. If they're doing all the testing to ensure that IE7 is safe from a company point of view, why not go for the current version? What am I missing? Thanks Phil. -- Phil Archer W3C Mobile Web Initiative http://www.w3.org/Mobile http://philarcher.org @philarcher1 nedlud wrote: Our site is a large health care site. Of the ~25 visitors in the last month, Google says the break down by browser is... Internet Explorer 69.44% Firefox 15.98% Safari 9.32% Chrome 4.20% And of the IE traffic, we get... IE 8.0 37.90% IE 7.0 32.87% IE 6.0 29.23% And that is only our external traffic. Our intranet traffic is a different story since IE6 is still our official browser, although our IT department has finally started rolling our IE7 as of this week. So for us, IE 6 can't be ignored, as much as we would like to. Lucien. On 11 June 2010 23:17, Duncan Hill dun...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:32:03 +0100, Foskett, Mike mike.fosk...@uk.tesco.com wrote: Hi all, Ref Links for light reading article: http://mashable.com/2010/06/01/ie6-below-5-percent/ Which basically states IEv6 has dropped below the 5% threshold across USA and Europe. Nice figures, the stats were produced for May 2010, and calculated for 15 Billion page views. The quoted 4.7% using IE 6 therefore still amounts to around 70 Million page views during May 2010. (that's the entire population of the UK, and then some) . dead? Duncan *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]
Hi Phil, Sadly, no, it's not a typo. For some reason, known only to our IT department, they got locked into a vendor contract on some mission critical software where the vendor has only recently certified IE7 compatibility. The vendor *has not* certified their product with IE8, so we can't move to that. The same software does not work on any other browser like FF, Safari, or Opera. I assume they have some activeX components in there they they don't know how to port to Javascript. It is not something that we (the web team. we are not part of IT) are happy about, but our IT department doesn't listen to us web people. Lucien. On 12 June 2010 17:28, Phil Archer ph...@w3.org wrote: Thanks everyone for these interesting stats - depressing as they are. Lucien - I assume it's not a typo when you say your IT department is now rolling out IE7. I'm curious to know the rationale behind that cf. going straight to IE8. If they're doing all the testing to ensure that IE7 is safe from a company point of view, why not go for the current version? What am I missing? Thanks Phil. -- Phil Archer W3C Mobile Web Initiative http://www.w3.org/Mobile http://philarcher.org @philarcher1 nedlud wrote: Our site is a large health care site. Of the ~25 visitors in the last month, Google says the break down by browser is... Internet Explorer 69.44% Firefox 15.98% Safari 9.32% Chrome 4.20% And of the IE traffic, we get... IE 8.0 37.90% IE 7.0 32.87% IE 6.0 29.23% And that is only our external traffic. Our intranet traffic is a different story since IE6 is still our official browser, although our IT department has finally started rolling our IE7 as of this week. So for us, IE 6 can't be ignored, as much as we would like to. Lucien. On 11 June 2010 23:17, Duncan Hill dun...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:32:03 +0100, Foskett, Mike mike.fosk...@uk.tesco.com wrote: Hi all, Ref Links for light reading article: http://mashable.com/2010/06/01/ie6-below-5-percent/ Which basically states IEv6 has dropped below the 5% threshold across USA and Europe. Nice figures, the stats were produced for May 2010, and calculated for 15 Billion page views. The quoted 4.7% using IE 6 therefore still amounts to around 70 Million page views during May 2010. (that's the entire population of the UK, and then some) . dead? Duncan *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]
Can you not swing IE8 in compatibility mode? That'll have no issues with activeX. Out of interest why won't your IT deparment say use this browser fir internal apps and the new FF or whatever for other browsing. Putting a shortcut to the internal app URL on the desktop would make it easy to differentiate for the user. They then don't have to say they support the app under another browser or even have a great deal to support with a modern browser for general as they all probably use one at home. This is something I have never understood. Steve Sent from my iPhone On 12 Jun 2010, at 08:44, nedlud ned...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Phil, Sadly, no, it's not a typo. For some reason, known only to our IT department, they got locked into a vendor contract on some mission critical software where the vendor has only recently certified IE7 compatibility. The vendor *has not* certified their product with IE8, so we can't move to that. The same software does not work on any other browser like FF, Safari, or Opera. I assume they have some activeX components in there they they don't know how to port to Javascript. It is not something that we (the web team. we are not part of IT) are happy about, but our IT department doesn't listen to us web people. Lucien. On 12 June 2010 17:28, Phil Archer ph...@w3.org wrote: Thanks everyone for these interesting stats - depressing as they are. Lucien - I assume it's not a typo when you say your IT department is now rolling out IE7. I'm curious to know the rationale behind that cf. going straight to IE8. If they're doing all the testing to ensure that IE7 is safe from a company point of view, why not go for the current version? What am I missing? Thanks Phil. -- Phil Archer W3C Mobile Web Initiative http://www.w3.org/Mobile http://philarcher.org @philarcher1 nedlud wrote: Our site is a large health care site. Of the ~25 visitors in the last month, Google says the break down by browser is... Internet Explorer 69.44% Firefox 15.98% Safari 9.32% Chrome 4.20% And of the IE traffic, we get... IE 8.0 37.90% IE 7.0 32.87% IE 6.0 29.23% And that is only our external traffic. Our intranet traffic is a different story since IE6 is still our official browser, although our IT department has finally started rolling our IE7 as of this week. So for us, IE 6 can't be ignored, as much as we would like to. Lucien. On 11 June 2010 23:17, Duncan Hill dun...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:32:03 +0100, Foskett, Mike mike.fosk...@uk.tesco.com wrote: Hi all, Ref Links for light reading article: http://mashable.com/2010/06/01/ie6-below-5-percent/ Which basically states IEv6 has dropped below the 5% threshold across USA and Europe. Nice figures, the stats were produced for May 2010, and calculated for 15 Billion page views. The quoted 4.7% using IE 6 therefore still amounts to around 70 Million page views during May 2010. (that's the entire population of the UK, and then some) . dead? Duncan *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]
For what it's worth, some of our non-techie sites (with much smaller user numbers, as they're focused on the relatively tiny New Zealand market) are showing a slightly rosier picture over the past month: Advocacy website for cyclists (4544 visits): IE: 41.57% (IE6-15.09% 7-37.96% 8-46.96%) FF: 40.29% CHROME: 9.09% SAFARI: 7.68% OPERA: 0.62% IE6 = 6.27% Sports clothing (28,337 visits): IE: 49.92% (IE6-13.8% 7-27.06% 8-59.11%) FF: 24.87% CHROME: 6.20% SAFARI: 17.82% OPERA: 0.77% IE6 = 6.88% Brewers website (3,300 visits): IE: 45.97% (IE6-10.42% 7-30.72% 8-58.87%) FF: 30.06% CHROME: 11.27% SAFARI: 10.03% OPERA: 1.03% IE6 = 4.79% Tourism operator (4,041 visits): IE: 54.84% (IE6-11.60% 7-28.07% 8-60.24%) FF: 26.73% CHROME: 4.80% SAFARI: 12.77% OPERA: 0.42% IE6 = 6.36% For contrast, here're the stats for a tech company. IT services and software dev company (3,050 visits): IE: 15.02% (IE6-8.52% 7-19.87% 8-71.62%) FF: 56.20% CHROME: 18.52% SAFARI: 5.48% OPERA: 2.82% IE6 = 1.28% If I was Microsoft I'd be quite worried that the IT support pros, influencers and developers have such a different make-up than the mainstream. Cheers, Dave On 12/06/10 00:32, Lea de Groot wrote: On 11/06/10 9:32 PM, Foskett, Mike wrote: I just took a peek at our own stats for May 2010. A very large set limited to UK online shoppers only. And I couldn't agree less with the article. I have a couple of large .au 'mum and dad' sites (ie, not techie) and I have similar results to your .uk figures: Internet Explorer67.11% Firefox17.19% Safari9.70% Chrome4.67% with specific IE figures of IE8.059.08% IE7.028.46% IE6.012.44% ie IE 6 is at 8.3% overall - lower than your numbers, but still worth testing for. Interestingly, I have iphone/ipod numbers at 2.77% and rising fast - I guess I better get those mobile versions up! Lea -- Dave Lane, Egressive Ltd d...@egressive.com m +64212298147 p +6439633733 http://egressive.com Free/OpenSourceSoftware: because to share is human Only use Open Standards - w3.org, Drupal powers communities - drupal.org Effusion Group http://effusiongroup.com Software Patents kill innovation *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]
Again, interesting, stuff, Dave. Concerning your remark: If I was Microsoft I'd be quite worried that the IT support pros, influencers and developers have such a different make-up than the mainstream. I believe they are indeed concerned about this. AIUI they're a little fed up with the constant remarks on fora like this where we're broadly able to talk about the standards browsers and mean every browser except IE for which, everyone knows you need to put in workarounds. IE9 is going to take a big step towards changing that with support for SVG, XHTML and more. As for when IT departments get around to changing over to it, who can say? Any bets for it being done in time to watch the 2018 World Cup on an HTML 5 video feed? Phil. Dave Lane wrote: For what it's worth, some of our non-techie sites (with much smaller user numbers, as they're focused on the relatively tiny New Zealand market) are showing a slightly rosier picture over the past month: Advocacy website for cyclists (4544 visits): IE: 41.57% (IE6-15.09% 7-37.96% 8-46.96%) FF: 40.29% CHROME: 9.09% SAFARI: 7.68% OPERA: 0.62% IE6 = 6.27% Sports clothing (28,337 visits): IE: 49.92% (IE6-13.8% 7-27.06% 8-59.11%) FF: 24.87% CHROME: 6.20% SAFARI: 17.82% OPERA: 0.77% IE6 = 6.88% Brewers website (3,300 visits): IE: 45.97% (IE6-10.42% 7-30.72% 8-58.87%) FF: 30.06% CHROME: 11.27% SAFARI: 10.03% OPERA: 1.03% IE6 = 4.79% Tourism operator (4,041 visits): IE: 54.84% (IE6-11.60% 7-28.07% 8-60.24%) FF: 26.73% CHROME: 4.80% SAFARI: 12.77% OPERA: 0.42% IE6 = 6.36% For contrast, here're the stats for a tech company. IT services and software dev company (3,050 visits): IE: 15.02% (IE6-8.52% 7-19.87% 8-71.62%) FF: 56.20% CHROME: 18.52% SAFARI: 5.48% OPERA: 2.82% IE6 = 1.28% If I was Microsoft I'd be quite worried that the IT support pros, influencers and developers have such a different make-up than the mainstream. Cheers, Dave On 12/06/10 00:32, Lea de Groot wrote: On 11/06/10 9:32 PM, Foskett, Mike wrote: I just took a peek at our own stats for May 2010. A very large set limited to UK online shoppers only. And I couldn't agree less with the article. I have a couple of large .au 'mum and dad' sites (ie, not techie) and I have similar results to your .uk figures: Internet Explorer67.11% Firefox17.19% Safari9.70% Chrome4.67% with specific IE figures of IE8.059.08% IE7.028.46% IE6.012.44% ie IE 6 is at 8.3% overall - lower than your numbers, but still worth testing for. Interestingly, I have iphone/ipod numbers at 2.77% and rising fast - I guess I better get those mobile versions up! Lea -- Phil Archer W3C Mobile Web Initiative http://www.w3.org/Mobile http://philarcher.org @philarcher1 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]
Any bets for it being done in time to watch the 2018 World Cup on an HTML 5 video feed? in a ie browser without any fudging? my initial response was only if Google are in position to take over Microsoft before that date, but... http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/05/19/another-follow-up-on-html5-video-in-ie9.aspx ie9: A New Hope? for the time being ie6 remains a significant number too me much as I wish it did'nt - S On 12 June 2010 12:42, Phil Archer ph...@w3.org wrote: Again, interesting, stuff, Dave. Concerning your remark: If I was Microsoft I'd be quite worried that the IT support pros, influencers and developers have such a different make-up than the mainstream. I believe they are indeed concerned about this. AIUI they're a little fed up with the constant remarks on fora like this where we're broadly able to talk about the standards browsers and mean every browser except IE for which, everyone knows you need to put in workarounds. IE9 is going to take a big step towards changing that with support for SVG, XHTML and more. As for when IT departments get around to changing over to it, who can say? Any bets for it being done in time to watch the 2018 World Cup on an HTML 5 video feed? Phil. Dave Lane wrote: For what it's worth, some of our non-techie sites (with much smaller user numbers, as they're focused on the relatively tiny New Zealand market) are showing a slightly rosier picture over the past month: Advocacy website for cyclists (4544 visits): IE: 41.57% (IE6-15.09% 7-37.96% 8-46.96%) FF: 40.29% CHROME: 9.09% SAFARI: 7.68% OPERA: 0.62% IE6 = 6.27% Sports clothing (28,337 visits): IE: 49.92% (IE6-13.8% 7-27.06% 8-59.11%) FF: 24.87% CHROME: 6.20% SAFARI: 17.82% OPERA: 0.77% IE6 = 6.88% Brewers website (3,300 visits): IE: 45.97% (IE6-10.42% 7-30.72% 8-58.87%) FF: 30.06% CHROME: 11.27% SAFARI: 10.03% OPERA: 1.03% IE6 = 4.79% Tourism operator (4,041 visits): IE: 54.84% (IE6-11.60% 7-28.07% 8-60.24%) FF: 26.73% CHROME: 4.80% SAFARI: 12.77% OPERA: 0.42% IE6 = 6.36% For contrast, here're the stats for a tech company. IT services and software dev company (3,050 visits): IE: 15.02% (IE6-8.52% 7-19.87% 8-71.62%) FF: 56.20% CHROME: 18.52% SAFARI: 5.48% OPERA: 2.82% IE6 = 1.28% If I was Microsoft I'd be quite worried that the IT support pros, influencers and developers have such a different make-up than the mainstream. Cheers, Dave On 12/06/10 00:32, Lea de Groot wrote: On 11/06/10 9:32 PM, Foskett, Mike wrote: I just took a peek at our own stats for May 2010. A very large set limited to UK online shoppers only. And I couldn't agree less with the article. I have a couple of large .au 'mum and dad' sites (ie, not techie) and I have similar results to your .uk figures: Internet Explorer67.11% Firefox17.19% Safari 9.70% Chrome4.67% with specific IE figures of IE8.059.08% IE7.028.46% IE6.012.44% ie IE 6 is at 8.3% overall - lower than your numbers, but still worth testing for. Interestingly, I have iphone/ipod numbers at 2.77% and rising fast - I guess I better get those mobile versions up! Lea -- Phil Archer W3C Mobile Web Initiative http://www.w3.org/Mobile http://philarcher.org @philarcher1 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
