Re: [WSG] MA in web development
aboehmer wrote: It could contain a pile of subjects, depending on how far you want to take it. Here just some ideas: HTML/CSS Multimedia (Video, Flash, Podcasts, etc) Basics in Programming (PHP/VB, etc) Usability Accessibility Search Engine Optimisation Basics in Graphic Design (Photoshop, Illustrator, etc) Introduction to Networks/Hosting environments You could even chuck in some electives of Business subjects. Masters students would probably want to get their head around Project Management as well...? Hope this helps. Andreas. -Original message- From: Jason Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:30:36 +1000 To: wsg wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] MA in web development Hello everyone, Last night a proposal has been hinted at me to put together an MA course in web development for a UK University. That's all I have been told so far. I was wondering what people were feeling such a course ought to contain. I have my views of course, but would not like to influence the feedback at this point. All suggestions are very much appreciated. Regards, Jason Grant www.flexewebs.com/semantix *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Andreas Boehmer User Experience Consultant Addictive Media Phone: (03) 9386 8907 Mobile: 0411 097 038 http://www.addictivemedia.com.au Consulting | Accessibility | Usability | Development *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** I am currently enrolled in a Web Design and Interactive Media BS degree program. I have been teaching myself for almost 4 years at home intensively prior to going into this venture. I have to say that is offering this degree is teaching its students many things that are not compliant with the international standards in general. The fact of the matter is that I believe that the entire school is in it for the money more thne teaching the students the right and professional way to be a web designer and developer. As far as curriculum goes be sure they teach the standards or dont get involved at all.First off. Secondly I would suggest that you include a few server side programming languages like PHP and JSP. Be sure to also cover in depth DBMS as well. Other universities such as the University of Scranton offer MS degrees in Software Engineering which you may get some ideas from as well. http://academic.scranton.edu/department/gradsch/gsofteng.htm Hope that helps. I know after reading that I have decided to quit my current college and go to the University of Scranton as I believe I will actually learn things there unlike at my current accredited college. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] AccessResearch // Page Check
James Jeffery wrote: - The first thing that struck me was the blatent missues of the em element. - Missing title attribute from your anchor's - No indication as to who or what your site is about. At least a logo or name. - Why use XHTML? If you are not using anything XML related you should be using HTML. HTML is not dead and just because you use XHTML it does not mean your site is making good use of Web Standards. If this was do they would not be working towards HTML5. - Class and ID names are not semantic. id=left would make no sense if you moved it to the right. - Why do you have your text blocks all over the place? I think they would look better if they were all left aligned and keep the navigation to the right. I like the idea, the font goes well with the simplisit design. Try making the navigation stand out a bit more and give the page some natural flow and order. There is probably more issues but i only had a quick glance. James On Nov 17, 2007 4:03 PM, Rahul Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, http://rahulgonsalves.com/research/site/ I'm throwing together a quick site to try and fund my travel to an accessibility conference. I haven't had too much time to check it, or think it through, but I would appreciate a page check, and general suggestions/comments. Also, I don't have access to Internet Explorer; does it behave /reasonably well/ in that browser? This is the first semi-fluid width site that I'm working on, so a criticism of the methods that I have used will be very useful. I would also appreciate a link to a good max-width emulator for the various IE-editions that don't support it. Many thanks, - Rahul. Apologies to members of css-discuss, who will receive this email twice. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The following statement was from above I only partially agree with. Why use XHTML? If you are not using anything XML related you should be using HTML. HTML is not dead and just because you use XHTML it does not mean your site is making good use of Web Standards. If this was do they would not be working towards HTML5. While there is no real reason to use XHTML if you are not using any XML related code . If you do a little research on HTML you would see that the W3C has only within the past year or so announced they were even going to consider extending HTML beyond 4.01. Even so HTML 5 will not be a standard for several years based on the speed of the W3C in the past. XHTML is here now to stay and offers a far greater amount of expandability in the future towards web applications then HTML can ever consider comparing to especially with all the WEB 2.0 hype out here. That announcement was only after Microsoft blatantly stated the Internet Explorer Browser would never support the mime type of application-xml and therefore would only interpret XHTML pages as a text/html. It was at that time also that the W3C appointed the head engineer to the committee to expand on HTML in the first place. I may not post as often as some or even have the knowledge of many of the members on this list however, I believe if Microsoft would have stood behind XHTML with their browsers like Firefox and Safari did HTML would certainly have been a dying markup language. It would be nice if the standards were all equally supported among the browsers but they are not. It would also be nice if there was a way to force web standards compliance on every website on the web old or new but that will never happen. The best society can hope for is if businesses get educated and require it of their web designers and programmers it may one day become an actual standard. I do not think that will happen in my lifetime personally but we can all dream I guess. As it stands now there seems to be too many people out there that think the standards are not nearly as important as if a website looks pretty to the eye. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***begin:vcard fn:Kevin Lennon n:Lennon;Kevin org:Lake Area Webs adr:;;227 Fire Tower Road;Milford;PA;18337;United States of America email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Web Design Developer tel;home:570-296-3865
Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript
Rob Mason wrote: Hi guys, Am comfortable with HTML/CSS and accessibility in general, but struggle with JavaScript. I'm not a developer by trade, am a business type (sales and marketing) so most oft he stuff is well over my head. I am looking for a really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. Either on or offline will do. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance Rob -- Rob Mason t/a Sponge Project www.spongeproject.co.uk http://www.spongeproject.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.31/1128 - Release Date: 11/13/2007 11:09 AM You may want to check out the book called Javascript for the world wide web visual quickstart guide. http://www.amazon.com/JavaScript-World-Wide-Web-Negrino/dp/0321423348/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1194984888sr=8-1 That is not an affiliate link but amazon has it for $12.99 plus shipping there. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***begin:vcard fn:Kevin Lennon n:Lennon;Kevin org:Lake Area Webs adr:;;227 Fire Tower Road;Milford;PA;18337;United States of America email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Web Design Developer tel;home:570-296-3865 url:http://www.lakeareawebs.com version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [WSG] Javascript Code not working in IE6
Alexander Uribe wrote:
In my javascript class at college, I have to find out why this piece
of code does not run in IE6.
I can't seem to figure out why.
If anyone knows, that would be great
cheers,
Alex.
Code below
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd;
html
head
titleExercise 4/title
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html;
style type=text/css
.borders {
border: 1px solid red;
width: 150px;
}
.li_borders {
background: yellow;
border: 1px solid blue;
color: red;
}
.li2_borders {
background: blue;
color: white;
}
#ul2 {
xwidth: 150px;
}
#ul2 li {
border-color: silver;
border-style: solid;
border-width: 1px 1px 0px 1px;
display: inline;
font-weight:bold;
margin: 0;
padding: 0 4px;
}
/style
script type=text/javascript
window.onload = init;
function init()
{
var liArr = new Array();
var idx;
//--- process first UL block
var id = document.getElementById(ul1);
id.addEventListener(mouseover, ul1on, false);
id.addEventListener(mouseout, ul1off, false);
liArr = id.getElementsByTagName(li);
for(idx=0; idxliArr.length; idx++ ) {
liArr[idx].addEventListener(click, li_s, false);
liArr[idx].addEventListener(mouseover, li_on, false);
liArr[idx].addEventListener(mouseout, li_off, false);
}
//--- process second UL block
id = document.getElementById(ul2);
liArr = id.getElementsByTagName(li);
for(idx=0; idxliArr.length; idx++ ) {
liArr[idx].addEventListener(click, li_s, false);
liArr[idx].addEventListener(mouseover, li2_on, false);
liArr[idx].addEventListener(mouseout, li2_off, false);
}
}
function ul1on() { document.getElementById(ul1).className=borders;}
function ul1off(){ document.getElementById(ul1).className=;}
function li_s() { alert(this.innerHTML); }
function li_on() {
document.getElementById(this.id).className=li_borders;}
function li_off(){ document.getElementById(this.id).className=;}
function li2_on() {
document.getElementById(this.id).className=li2_borders;}
function li2_off(){ document.getElementById(this.id).className=;}
/script
/head
body
pThis doesn't work in Internet Explorer 6. Why and whats the
solution?/p
ul id=ul1
li id=li11item 1/li
li id=li12item 2/li
li id=li13item 3 /li
/ul
ul id=ul2
li id=li21item 1/li
li id=li22item 2/li
li id=li23item 3 /li
/ul
/body
/html
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xwidth doesn't exist : 150px even if that is not actually JavaScript?
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Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities
Stuart Foulstone wrote: Hi, You could possibly use how your college's own Website is coded to support your case. I don't know which college you're at, but look at how their Website is coded - I would be surprised if their still using the methods your tutor is teaching. I feel your frustration in the way our future experts are being taught our field. I agree that you should not allow your emotions to show when and if you are trying to convince the school to see it via the international standards. If I recall from your beginning posting you mentioned something about the University of Birmingham while their website home page has a few errors on it they did not use tables for positioning. Their CSS also validates. I would suggest that the only way you are going to get any school policies to change would be by requesting a meeting with the head of the appropriate department of the school. As far as your tutor goes I think you may find that they want you to build your pages with tables because of their lack of understanding of CSS or other technologies such as JavaScript. The school itself may want to teach you to use tables for positioning simply because it is easier for them to break apart the different technologies. High Schools are teaching HTML at this point and they are teaching by the old ways prior CSS. I think you will also find that the school systems are still promoting deprecated tags such as the font tag they may even teach you to use the embed tag as well even though it was never a part of HTML at all. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***begin:vcard fn:Kevin Lennon n:Lennon;Kevin org:Lake Area Webs adr:;;227 Fire Tower Road;Milford;PA;18337;United States of America email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Web Design Developer tel;home:570-296-3865 url:http://www.lakeareawebs.com version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [WSG] IE help
Bob Schwartz wrote: Some users have complained that when they go to this page http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/lib/lib_current.html and try to download the linked files with IE 7 they get a message stating something like Explorer is unable to download the requested file My Windows (server 2000) testing computer has IE 6 on it and all works fine. The links to the files are absolute, so my guess is these users either have some funny settings in thier IE 7, anti-virus programs, or some Norton firewall-like application. However if someone could have a look in IE 7 I would appreciate it. Thanks, Bob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** I tried it in both IE7 and Firefox and it seems to work fine here. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***begin:vcard fn:Kevin Lennon n:Lennon;Kevin org:Lake Area Webs adr:;;227 Fire Tower Road;Milford;PA;18337;United States of America email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Web Design Developer tel;home:570-296-3865 url:http://www.lakeareawebs.com version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [WSG] Usability Accessibility Over Design?
James Jeffery wrote: However, if you want see an example where prestige is also crucial, but the designer has use compliant methods and passed 508 validation (at least) see: http://www.fosterandpartners .com/Practice/Default.aspx I dont mean to pick on this website, but from looking at the source i can already see a few minor faults. Maybe there is a purpose, i dont know. But the navigation links should be within a list. There is an empty div for the divider, there are other methods to do the same thing. Anyway taking this back on topic. Ive seen a number of great replies to this message, its made me think a little more and before i write this article i best get back to the drawing board with some hard facts. And back to the point regarding laws, i cant see how they would create and major limitations, a law to say that a website must be accessible and follow the guidelines set wouldn't hold much back. Or some sort of convention so that disabled users can quickly find there way to the accessible pages. I will have a good hard think about this over the next day or so. Thanks All. On 8/15/07, *Designer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Palinkas wrote: IMHO I would like to add one important factor to this. Money. I would like to throw a spanner in the works here. There are cases where a client is as interested in PRESTIGE as he is in money. See, for example: http://www.habitat.co.uk/uk/main_uk.htm as a case where prestige/image is crucial to the business. However, if you want see an example where prestige is also crucial, but the designer has use compliant methods and passed 508 validation (at least) see: http://www.fosterandpartners.com/Practice/Default.aspx http://www.fosterandpartners.com/Practice/Default.aspx An excellent site! It is interesting to note that, 12 months ago, this site was Flash, with a poor html version as second choice. This is no longer necessary. Inspirational work! My point is that the client shouldn't need to know anything about the inner cogs and wheels. An experienced designer emshould em be able to give the client whatever he wants and (although often difficult and challenging) he can do this without sacrificing standards or accessibility. -- Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk http://www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Interesting that http://www.fosterandpartners.com/Practice/Default.aspx page passes the HTML validation but fails the CSS validation as provided by the W3C. The other pages on the site Also fail validation on HTML as well. I have yet to see a web page that is fully compliant with HTML,CSS,WAI that was appealing to the eyes let alone done with Macromedia Flash. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Teaching CSS
Best learning book I have ever seen or owned on CSS was CSS the Missing Manual by David Sawyer McFarland published by Pogue Press / O'Reilly. The book is a great book for beginners especially as it walks you through many of the real world problems. The thing is it does cover a lot of the Hacks including the box model hack from IE5 Kevin J. Lennon Lake Area Webs http://www.lakeareawebs.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee Powell Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:27 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Teaching CSS Importance: High Hi I agree with all the comments made so far. The book(s) that helped me the most get my head around CSS and it's applied techniques were: Web Standards Solutions: Dan Cederholm CSS Mastery, Advanced Web Standard Solutions: Andy Budd Designing With Web Standards: Jeffrey Zeldman (new version just came off the press) Although the Zeldman book isn't a pure CSS guide it helps anyone understand the fundamentals of why they work with CSS instead of old FONT tags. Hope this helps. Lee On 17 Mar 2007, at 05:47, Cole Kuryakin wrote: Hello All - My background for the past 27 years has been in design. 6 years ago I realized the (financial) necessity to begin learning web design. 3 years after that came the next leap into HTML/PHP/CSS. So far, so good - well, most of the time anyway. I've always been a one-man-band, but now I'm finding myself much busier than I can handle by myself so I've had to take on another designer who, while quite good at his art, has never really been fully and satisfactorily exposed to the fundamentals of CSS. So, I've got to teach him. And that's the problem. While my knowledge of CSS has gotten me through each project, and each sheet validates, I still consider myself a learner as I've never had much time to really, really, really understand the box model and other fundamentals that, lord knows, I SHOULD understand completely by now. I've learned what I know just via various internet sites and through the help and guidance of wonderful groups like the WSG. So, I'm at a crossroads. how can I teach something that I don't feel 100% competent in? But the clock is ticking; clients are waiting, and my freelance artist is calling asking humm, this is breaking. how should I fix it? To which I respond . Ah, humm. let me get back to you on that - and a new email flies out to the good folks in this great group for help. With that lengthy pre-amble, I've got to ask - is there a GREAT book out there that steps through the learning process of CSS right from the bare bones that both I and my new artist can use? Not theoretical stuff, but hand-on, simply-put, illustrative? There are a lot of books out there I know, but I need a great one, that's very specific about explaining all the fundamentals of the box model all the way up. I want to complexly stay away from books that promote or talk about css hacks however (I've been using conditional comments and IE specific sheets to deal with these problems with 100% success). A number of SitePoint books on CSS seem pretty good - based upon their sample-chapters download - but before I spend US$40 on one, has anyone here used them? Besides a book, are there any on-line, step-by-step foundation to penthouse curriculum course that anyone knows about and TRUSTS by experience? Thanks to all for weighing through this windy post; and advance appreciation to all who care to comment. Cole *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
