Re: [WSG] JQuery Scripts not loading in IE7?
Hi Daniel, I'm using IE6 and it throws an Expected identifier, string or number error. The plugin demo page does not: http://malsup.com/jquery/cycle/ I'm not familiar with the plugin but considering that the demo page passes all parameters including delay I suggest you start with being more explicit with the parameters and see if that works. Cheers, Nathanael Boehm Web user interaction designer user experience · social experience · social media · user interface development · usability · accessibility Imagine Innovation · KATA Professional · UXnet Canberra · OpenAustralia · BarCampCanberra Australian Social Innovation eXchange (ASIX) Canberra www.purecaffeine.com http://www.purecaffeine.com/about/ Canberra, Australia 0409 288 464 Latest UX blog post: Style guides and UI implementation: Part 2http://bit.ly/68H1ZR RSVP http://bit.ly/bHic2 for BarCampCanberra 2010, in mid-February On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Daniel Anderson daniela...@gmail.comwrote: G'day everyone I have an issue where the jquery slideshow does not seem to be loading iin IE7? works ok in Firefox etc but the images just get displayed in IE7 but not in the slideshow. It's like IE7 can't find the jquery scripts? url is http://glassoptions.danielandersondesign.com/ The slideshow is on the homepage. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] web style guide
Just some recent blog posts on style guide to add to your reading list: http://www.purecaffeine.com/2009/11/style-guides-and-ui-implementation/ http://www.purecaffeine.com/2009/11/style-guides-and-ui-implementation-part-2/ Cheers, Nathanael Boehm Web user interaction designer user experience · social experience · social media · user interface development · usability · accessibility Imagine Innovation · KATA Professional · UXnet Canberra · OpenAustralia · BarCampCanberra Australian Social Innovation eXchange (ASIX) Canberra www.purecaffeine.com http://www.purecaffeine.com/about/ Canberra, Australia 0409 288 464 Latest UX blog post: Style guides and UI implementation: Part 2http://bit.ly/68H1ZR RSVP http://bit.ly/bHic2 for BarCampCanberra 2010, in mid-February On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:35 PM, nedlud ned...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone. Some great resources there. I have plenty to read now :) Lucien. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Nick Cowie cowie.n...@gmail.com wrote: And a couple more links: http://www.pebbleroad.com/articles/view/Creating-Maintaining-a-Web-Style-Guide/ http://delicious.com/maish/styleguide 2009/12/3 kris wright kcwri...@gmail.com: Hi Lucien, I don't have any style guides of my own to share, but I have two links you may want to review: A List Apart: Writing an interface style guide (http://www.alistapart.com/articles/writingainterfacestyleguide/) Government of Canada's Common Look and Feel for the Internet (http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/clf2-nsi2/index-eng.asp) Kris On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:59 PM, nedlud ned...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there, I need to write a web style guide for our web site. Does anyone know of any good examples I could draw inspiration from? We already have our style sheets etc working, but need to have some kind of documentation we can hand to third party or contract developers so they can work to our standards. Thanks, Lucien. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Nick Cowie http://nickcowie.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Sent from Melbourne, Victoria, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] developing a web strategy...
Hi Andrew, Just to clarify, considering that there are probably quite a few consultants and agencies on this mailing list who would be interested in this work - are you ok with them recommending themselves or submitting proposals etc? What are you wanting out of this process? Cheers, Nathanael Boehm Web user interaction designer user experience · social experience · social media · user interface development · usability · accessibility Imagine Innovation · KATA Professional · UXnet Canberra · OpenAustralia · BarCampCanberra Australian Social Innovation eXchange (ASIX) Canberra www.purecaffeine.com http://www.purecaffeine.com/about/ Canberra, Australia 0409 288 464 Latest UX blog post: Style guides and UI implementation: Part 2http://bit.ly/68H1ZR RSVP http://bit.ly/3LgXWT for TweetsGiving Canberra, 1 December RSVP http://bit.ly/bHic2 for BarCampCanberra 2010, in mid-February On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Andrew Harris and...@woowoowoo.com wrote: I suppose this is a bit off topic*, please bear with me, I make a habit of these oddball requests. We are (finally) looking to develop a new and comprehensive web strategy for our large and diverse university (unimelb). One immediate proviso is that the strategy should be developed by someone who is seen as an authority and is independent. Preferably an organisation with a track record - either here or overseas. Suggestions? Good/bad experiences? Please reply directly if you think it's not relevant to the list. * obviously, a web strategy will include, at some point, a discussion of web standards, so there's the tie-in! -- Andrew Harris and...@woowoowoo.com http://www.woowoowoo.com ~~~ * ~~~ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] text links wrapping
Hi Marvin,
I suggest you take out all your inline CSS and put them at least in a
style block in your document head or preferably in a separate document
that you import with a link.
If you want your links to display all on one line you'll need to declare the
margins on the hyperlinks.
If you were using a stylesheet you could use:
#nav a {margin: 0 20px}
If you want to continue using inline styles then add this attribute to all
the hyperlinks in your nav block:
style=margin:0 20px
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On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.comwrote:
hi.
doing a online tutorial a web work shop at http://www.blindgeeks.org
and have a body and navigation, and header.
in the main body of the text links.
my couple of text links, are wrapping around.
should be all on one line.
can any one help.
using jaws 11.
windows vista.
will post my code file below.
any help.
and need to have a hr above and below the links.
the sighted person, that visually it looks fine.
so any help would be appreciated.
Marvin.
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C/DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd;
html
head
titleBlind Geeks/title
/head
body bgcolor=#66 text=#00 topmargin=0 leftmargin=0
link=#FF vlink=#CC
div id = header align=center style=width: 838px; height: 44px;
bakcground-color: Navy; color: White; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';
font-weight: 700;
h1Blind Geeks - Where Blind People Learn Programming/h1
/div
div id = nav align=center style=width: 838px; height: 44px;
bakcground-color: Navy; color: White; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';
font-weight: 700;
hr
a href=http://www.blindgeeks.org;Home/a nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp;
nbsp; nbsp; a
href=mailto:blindgeeks-subscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=join;Join Our
List /a nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; a href=
BG_L2_Lab1Lessons.htmOur Lessons/a nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp;
nbsp; a href= BG_L2_Lab1Members.htmMembers Page/a nbsp; nbsp;
nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; a href= BG_L2_Lab1Radio.htmRadio Broadcast
Page/a nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp;
hr
/div
div id=body align=center style=width: 838px; height: 44px;
bakcground-color: Navy; color: White; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';
font-weight: 700; onload=window.resizeTo(871,765)
pWelcome to the Blind Geeks Web Page./p
br
pYou will find information and resources for blind programmers on this
site./p
br
pContact me if you need more information about what services we
offer./p
br
pYou can contact me via this link/p
br
a href=mailto:startrekc...@gmail.com?subject=blind Geeks
InquiryContact
Me/a
br
pClick on the links below to visit other programming sites./p
br
hr
a href=http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/helpwithvb;Help With Visual Basic
Group/a nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; a
href=http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/helpwithcsharp;Help With C Sharp
Group/a nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; a
href=http://www.java.sun.com;Java Programming/a nbsp; nbsp; nbsp;
nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; a href=http://msdn.microsoft.com;Microsoft MSDN
Centre/a nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; a
href=http://www.borland.com;Borland Home Page/a nbsp; nbsp; nbsp;
nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; a href=http://www.eclipse.org;Eclipse Home
Page/a
nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp;
hr
/div
div id=footer align=center style=width: 838px; height: 44px;
background-color: Navy; color: White; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS';
font-weight: 700;
pThis page is developed by Marvin Hunkin./p
br
pI adhere to the World Wide Consortium Website Standards (W3C) for this
page./p
br
br
br
pcopy; Marvin Hunkin 2009./p
/div
/body
/html
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Re: [WSG] Select Padding in IE
If you want to style selects best bet is to use one of the customised select jQuery plugins available. In my experience they're a bit nasty and can cause all sorts of problems not least of all performance because they replace the select with a bunch of divs and spans or lists and then have to simulate all the behaviour of a native select ... but if you *need* to have it styled to that extent then I suggest you look into them. Cheers, Nathanael Boehm Freelance web user interaction designer UX · IxD · UI design · Prototyping · HTML · CSS · JS · Usability · Accessibility · Social media · Tech training Imagine Innovation · KATA Professional · UXnet Canberra · OpenAustralia · BarCampCanberra Australian Social Innovation eXchange (ASIX) Canberra www.purecaffeine.com http://www.purecaffeine.com/about/ Canberra, Australia 0409 288 464 Latest blog post: Social experience design in online conversationhttp://bit.ly/1EOfHz RSVP http://bit.ly/1jzs3W for Canberra Freelancers and Entrepreneurs Coffee, 23 November RSVP http://bit.ly/2mUakd for Canberra ASIX solution design and architecture evening, 25 November RSVP http://bit.ly/bHic2 for BarCampCanberra 2010, in mid-February On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Daniel Anderson daniela...@gmail.comwrote: G'day I am having problems with applying padding to a SELECT element. It works fine in Firefox but the padding does not get applied in IE? Can anyone tell me how to fix this? Cheers Daniel *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] site feedback
Hi Marvin, Sorry, I missed the last round of reviews of your site - I'm guessing you've posted it here on WSG previously? There are a few things that I would do differently, but it's a fairly simple site so they're not major issues. If the design was more complex with more content and interaction then perhaps you might need to change things like the navigation, header hierarchy visual priority - otherwise I think it's fine. If I were you I would stick to HTML instead of going with XHTML as you seem to struggle with it; it still doesn't validate. What do you hope to achieve with this site? I can't tell if you're trying to push phone ordering or get people to your shop. You seem to be promoting the phone number (and for the record I dislike 1800-CALL-ME style phone numbers; takes longer to dial) more than the physical address of the shop. Unless your target customer group are already aware of you one of the biggest questions new users to the site will want answered is if you're relevant to them and can provide them service. What area do you cover with phone orders? Do you want to cover all of Australia? Do you get orders from the other side of the country? What's the purpose of your favourite links pages? I suggest you install a web analytics package to see if anyone actually visits those pages. You might want to consider linking to relevant recipes from your produce page next to primary ingredients used in those recipes. Hope that's helpful. If you want more help, you can contact me off-list. I'm available for hire :) Nathanael Boehm Freelance web user interaction designer UX · IxD · UI design · Prototyping · HTML · CSS · JS · Usability · Accessibility · Social media · Tech training Imagine Innovation · KATA Professional · UXnet Canberra · OpenAustralia · BarCampCanberra Australian Social Innovation eXchange (ASIX) Canberra www.purecaffeine.com http://www.purecaffeine.com/about/ Canberra, Australia 0409 288 464 On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.comwrote: hi. well made quite a few changes. and vallidated all pages. and vallidates. then got a sighted person to review my site. now. here'sthe current version and hopefully the final version. now from a accessibility view point, and a layout and content viewpoint. what do you think? any feedback, good, bad, ugly. but please be civil. cheers Marvin. http://www.raulferrer.com/joe/html/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Complex data tables, accessibility and XHTML Basic 1.1
Hi Kat, That really depends - without user research it's hard to know what conclusions about the data are relevant and of interest to people consuming that data; plus if the purpose is for people to draw their own conclusions (hence why you're *providing *all that data) then it doesn't make sense to bias it with pre-formed conclusions. If you *have* to use tabulated data then that's a challenge, sure, but I suggest going back over the business case for presenting the data and seeing if there's some other way the *information* can be presented. Looks at alternative presentation formats such as filtering - but as I said it depends because datasets hidden behind a search/filter form can be frustrating to users who may want to browse the matrix to figure out what they want if they're unfamiliar with the data model or want to identify trends and work backwards. Comes down to user goals. Nathanael Boehm Freelance web user interaction designer UX · IxD · UI design · Prototyping · HTML · CSS · JS · Usability · Accessibility · Social media Imagine Innovation · UXnet Canberra · OpenAustralia · BarCampCanberra www.purecaffeine.com http://www.purecaffeine.com/about/ Canberra, Australia 0409 288 464 On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Kat k...@t-tec.com.au wrote: Steve Green wrote: I am tempted to say that this is a moot point. In my experience complex data tables are inaccessible to screen reader users because they have great difficulty forming a mental model of them. Marking them up perfectly semantically doesn't help. If you use 'normal' means of navigating, the table cell contents are read sequentially. Each cell is usually understandable but you get no sense of the structure and relationships with the column and row headings. If you use the table navigation commands, the column and/or row headers are read in addition to the cell contents. This provides structural information but the user has to mentally separate the header and cell data before adding them to their mental model. This is difficult enough with simple tables but I don't recall even highly proficient screen reader users successfully navigating complex tables during user testing. What I can't say is whether any other user group derives any benefit from the correct semantic markup of tables. Off the top of my head I can't think of any. I also cannot think of any applications (e.g. search engines, news scrapers etc) that programmatically access websites that would benefit from this either. Thanks for that Steve! :) Then would the answer, perhaps, be to give a small succinct paragraph about the tabular data, with the most important points (if they exist), and perhaps a link to contact details if the user wanted to know more? And not worry about thead, tfoot, tbody, col, colgroup, etc? Would that be an acceptable accessibility alternative? Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Anchor tag without href
Hi Naveen, Sure you can for named anchors with document fragment identifiers, but AFAIK all modern browsers (and I'm not sure which ones if any didn't) support the use of using *any* HTML element to link to using a doc frag ID. For example the URL: http://www.example.com#contact could link to: a id=contact / or straight to the relevant header: h2 id=contactContact/h2 Cheers, Nathanael Boehm Freelance web user interaction designer UX · IxD · UI design · Prototyping · HTML · CSS · JS · Usability · Accessibility · Social media Imagine Innovation · UXnet Canberra · OpenAustralia · BarCampCanberra www.purecaffeine.com http://www.purecaffeine.com/about/ Canberra, Australia 0409 288 464 On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Naveen Bhaskar naveenbhas...@live.inwrote: hi , could anyone tell me whether an anchor tag can be used without href according to webstandads? a id=rateme img src=somepath alt=/a -- Thanks and regards Naveen Bhaskar *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Is pressing Enter to submit (or not) on forms an accessability issue? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Sorry Mark but I'm going to have to counter that argument because I believe it *is* in part an accessibility issue, particularly relating to screen readers which as we know linearly parse a page ... so unless there is instructional text or help before the text field advising them of how to activate or submit that form field or if the behaviour is inconsistent with both web and on-site conventions then the possible data loss, accidental data submission or lack of any response on pressing Enter because that user isn't aware of what is going to happen or not happen (until deciding after a delay that the Enter key did nothing) until they try it. The standard browser convention is that in an input field (not textarea), pressing Enter will activate the action of the containing form element (if it has one, or unless it's an ASP.NET app in which case the form element envelops the entire page). Speaking of which, does ASP.NET 3.5 handle that differently? Nathanael Boehm http://www.purecaffeine.com/about/ Canberra, Australia 0409 288 464 On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Mark Stickley markstick...@theyakshack.co.uk wrote: I don't think that pressing enter to submit is an accessibility issue at all, it's simply expected behaviour. If people are used to being able to do that in their browser then it should not be forced or suppressed in any way. Keyboard only users is an interesting one... so if the person is a keyboard user out of choice (as in they prefer to use the keyboard for ease of use) they might well be using a setup where it's not possible to highlight the submit button to submit it. Someone who is using the keyboard only because they have difficulty with a mouse is unlikely to have that problem as they'd choose a setup which allows them to do that. As for putting line breaks in the field, as far as I know no browsers will submit a form when you press enter on a textarea, and as input type=field /'s are only one line, they surely wouldn't expect to be able to put a line break there anyway. I actually publish a blog post on a very similar topic (although not so focussed on the accessibility side of things) yesterday: http://www.norestfortheweekend.com/2009/10/20/on-forms-submit-buttons-and-browsers/ I hope you find it interesting! Mark On 21 Oct 2009, at 04:39, Chris Vickery wrote: Thanks Jason, In this case it’s for an input field, not a textarea, and enter will still not submit (unless you tab out) so in this case makes it contrary to ‘native browser behaviour’. Essentially our input fields would, (although they identify themselves as input fields) would behave like textareas, without line breaks. I’m not really familiar with using a text to speech reader, but that sounds messy to me. Interestingly the source itself looks pretty straight forward: div id=abc-form class=form form name=abcform id=abcform method=post action= input type=text name=abcform[email1] value= id=email1 class=text /input type=submit name=form[subscribebutton1] value=Subscribe id=subscribebutton1 / /form /div There must be something buried in the styling causing this behaviour. Chris *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.orgli...@webstandardsgroup.org ] *On Behalf Of *ja...@flexewebs.com *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 October 2009 11:03 AM *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* Re: [WSG] Is pressing Enter to submit (or not) on forms an accessability issue? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Hi Chris, The submission by pressing enter is a native browser behaviour, hence is not an accessibility issue. You will only be able to submit via enter from an input field and not from a textarea, which you have to tab out of and then hit enter. So I doubt you will find any references to back-up your claim. If you do, send it through so we can debunk it. :-D Best, Jason Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -- *From: *Chris Vickery chris.vick...@privacy.gov.au *Date: *Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:20:51 +1100 *To: *...@webstandardsgroup.orgwsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject: *[WSG] Is pressing Enter to submit (or not) on forms an accessability issue? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] We’re accessibility testing at the moment. We’ve got some email forms (ie. Put in your email address to subscribe - submit) that do not currently submit if you press enter. Personally I feel this should be an accessibility issue, but I am finding it difficult to locate any solid documentation to back up my claim. I’ve had the argument put to me that a keyboard only user could still tab to the submit button, then press enter, but this seems very unintuitive to me to force users to do this. I’ve also had put to me that some users get confused if they want to put line breaks in a field and submit by accident... and so to be consistent pressing enter should never submit a form. (data entry people would love that one :P) Is submitting by pressing enter from
Re: [WSG] Is pressing Enter to submit (or not) on forms an accessability issue? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Hi Chris, I'm not sure I'd agree with Jason on if it's a native browser behaviour/function then it's accessible. I see what he's getting at and technically it's accessible, just as progressive enhancement is box-ticking accessibility ... but I believe you'd have to test it to determine whether it's accessible or not. It depends on the context of the form, what instructional text has been provided to the user, their expectations of that particular form on that page in the context of that particular web site. It's a unique situation and the provision of Enter key submission or suppression could swing both ways. Does the Enter key submit on other forms? Does it submit or cancel? Is the behaviour consistent across the site? Do you differentiate between single field forms and full page forms? Nathanael Boehm http://www.purecaffeine.com/about/ Canberra, Australia 0409 288 464 On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:03 AM, ja...@flexewebs.com wrote: Hi Chris, The submission by pressing enter is a native browser behaviour, hence is not an accessibility issue. You will only be able to submit via enter from an input field and not from a textarea, which you have to tab out of and then hit enter. So I doubt you will find any references to back-up your claim. If you do, send it through so we can debunk it. :-D Best, Jason Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -- *From: * Chris Vickery chris.vick...@privacy.gov.au *Date: *Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:20:51 +1100 *To: *...@webstandardsgroup.orgwsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject: *[WSG] Is pressing Enter to submit (or not) on forms an accessability issue? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] We’re accessibility testing at the moment. We’ve got some email forms (ie. Put in your email address to subscribe - submit) that do not currently submit if you press enter. Personally I feel this should be an accessibility issue, but I am finding it difficult to locate any solid documentation to back up my claim. I’ve had the argument put to me that a keyboard only user could still tab to the submit button, then press enter, but this seems very unintuitive to me to force users to do this. I’ve also had put to me that some users get confused if they want to put line breaks in a field and submit by accident... and so to be consistent pressing enter should never submit a form. (data entry people would love that one :P) Is submitting by pressing enter from a form best practice, or just common practice? Is it an accessibility problem? ... and to what degree? *** WARNING: The information contained in this email may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or copying of any part of this information is unauthorised. If you have received this email in error, we apologise for any inconvenience and request that you notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this email, together with any attachments. *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest
I've heard that too and I always make sure I only have one H1 in my pages. Are you able to change your code? Why did you choose to wrap your logo in a H1 element? I normally do logos as either a background image on the H1 or just as an IMG on it's own; no wrapper (except perhaps a #header or #container). Nathanael Boehm Canberra, Australia http://www.purecaffeine.com/about/ 0409 288 464 On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:45 PM, c...@fagandesign.com.au wrote: Hi all, have come across something that I'm sure has come up before... Have created a new site with the logo wrapped in a H1 tag. The title of each page is also a H1. Just got word back from an outsourced SEO expert who says it's probably better if there was only one H1 on each page. Does anyone know of any online resources backing up this theory? I don't think it's a huge SEO concern at all but the signature on my return email doesn't have SEO expert on it. Many thanks. Christian Fagan Fagan Design fagandesign.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Problem with onclick and onClick
Geez, it's been a while since I've used Dreamweaver ... but I think I had this problem once. Not sure if it was with DW or some other HTML editor but there was some setting whereby the editor went through and cleaned up my code upon save ... so it's not your server, it's your HTML editor thinking it's helping you out. I'd have no idea where the setting is though ... sorry. Nathanael Boehm Canberra, Australia http://www.purecaffeine.com/about/ 0409 288 464 On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:48 AM, designer desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk wrote: Can anyone help me with what is a basic question please? I have a library item (in Dreamweaver) which includes an onclick: a href=# onclick=window.print();return false . . . etc When the library item is inserted (into 37 pages) the format remains lower case and all pages validate, but when uploaded to the server the pages don't validate because they change to onClick. How can I stop this? What's going on? Anyone come across this? Any help gratefully received. Bob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Are there any JavaScript courses in Sydney?
I don't know of any ... but give me a month and I could prepare a course. Just left full-time employment and going out into freelancing; mostly to design, but I'm a qualified trainer :) Nathanael Boehm Canberra, Australia phone: 0409 288 464 web: http://www.purecaffeine.com On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:29 PM, David McKinnon david...@mac.com wrote: Maybe I should rephrase it as a question? crickets / Did I mention we'll pay money? :) On 12/10/2009, at 11:59 PM, David McKinnon wrote: Hi, Can anyone recommend a good JavaScript course in Sydney? I've been teaching myself for a few years, so I have a reasonable idea how to write unobtrusive JavaScript and have mucked around with jQuery, but feel I need something practical to really consolidate my knowledge and move forward. Does anyone know a good, solid one- or two-day course? There's two other people in my team who would be interested as well. We're located in the CBD, so somewhere close to the city would be ideal. Thanks, David McKinnon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
