[WSG] Markup an Address?
Looking for best practice markup for addresses. is it correct to use dl dtMain Office/dt dd123 Fake Street/dd ddSomewhere, SomeCountry, SomeZip/dd /dl or is there a better practice for this? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Problem in Mozilla and IE6
In your CSS
change to this:
#nav ul {
margin: 0px 35px 0 35px;
padding: 5px 0 0 0;
text-align: center;
}
this works in FF 2 but note it has not been tested in IE.
RM
On 8/10/07, Joyce Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here is the link to a website, and I've only gotten this far:
http://www.nichemktghouston.com/mneiman/physician.html
So far, It looks proper in IE7, but in Mozilla, the horizontal navigation
links do not center but rather move to the right so that I don't see the
full Contact link.
In IE 6, the pageHeader div is not stacked directly above the nav div.
There is some additional white space (from the background color).
Could anyone please help. I seem to do fine with CSS when the navigation
is vertical in a column, but I always run into problems when the navigation
is horizontal.
Thank you,
Joyce
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Re: [WSG] CSS Problem in Mozilla and IE6
Hi Joyce,
While this may/may not help resolve your issue, i recommend adding this to
the beginning of your stylesheet.
* {
padding:0;
margin:0;
}
it will set the default margins and padding for all elements to 0. You
would then have to specify margins and paddings for all elements, it gives
you more control over the layout as some browsers are known to have
different default margins and paddings for elements.
RM
On 8/10/07, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Joyce Evans wrote:
http://www.nichemktghouston.com/mneiman/physician.html
So far, It looks proper in IE7, but in Mozilla, the horizontal
navigation links do not center but rather move to the right so that I
don't see the full Contact link.
Add...
ul {padding: 0;}
...to zero out Gecko's defaults on that list.
Nothing prevents that menu from getting skewed from font resizing though.
In IE 6, the pageHeader div is not stacked directly above the nav
div. There is some additional white space (from the background
color).
Add...
#pageHeader img {display: block;}
...to override the 'display: inline' default for that image.
regards
Georg
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http://www.gunlaug.no
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Re: [WSG] Looking for a Stylesheet Switcher Script
Ya, it's colliding with another script i have but i'll figure it out. Thanks Again. On 8/3/07, Robert O'Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan Moore wrote: page cannot be displayed...??? On 8/2/07, *Robert O'Rourke* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://webrocket.ulmb.com/ability/ http://webrocket.ulmb.com/ability/ Strange, works for me... The alistapart article someone sent you looks like a good solution. Same thing I guess but it won't conflict with scriptaculous (I assume because the article is from 2001). Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Looking for a Stylesheet Switcher Script
I'm looking for a Stylesheet Switcher Script that users can use to dynamically change text sizes on the fly. Our text size is already quite legible and sized in em's for easy resizing, but i've been told by the powers that be that we also need a style sheet switcher. Anyone know where i can find a nice script for this? RM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Looking for a Stylesheet Switcher Script
page cannot be displayed...??? On 8/2/07, Robert O'Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan Moore wrote: I'm looking for a Stylesheet Switcher Script that users can use to dynamically change text sizes on the fly. Our text size is already quite legible and sized in em's for easy resizing, but i've been told by the powers that be that we also need a style sheet switcher. Anyone know where i can find a nice script for this? RM You don't necessarily need a style sheet switcher for that. If its the global font-size you're changing just some javascript to edit the css property and a cookie to store the user preference as they navigate between pages would be sufficient. I'm in the jquery camp when it comes to creating simple js effects like this. Are you comfortable with writing javascript at all? If not there's a a plugin I saw a while ago that might be of interest. http://webrocket.ulmb.com/ability/ Ironically though the page has a js popup ad the first time you go to it... the plugin seems to be alright though. Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Looking for a Stylesheet Switcher Script
Thanks Mike, These are nice solutions but unfortunately i'm limited to what i can do on the server level as we have a site that is built into a large CMS as we are a medical facility. So i'm stuck with only solutions at the client side of things for now. RM On 8/2/07, Mike at Green-Beast.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan Moore wrote: I'm looking for a Stylesheet Switcher Script that users can use to dynamically change text sizes on the fly. Hello Ryan, One might argue that offering a style changer solely to increase font size is something to reconsider, and I would agree, but then again, there's no real harm in doing this. Here are two PHP scripts that you are welcome to use. 1) PHP Font Sizer: This lightweight script is a straight-up font sizer offer the user 4 values (default settings are 100%, 120%, 140%, 160%). This script requires the user accepts cookies and it doesn't check for this unlike the next option. This script was made in July of 2006 and could probably be tweaked, but that's always the case. http://mikecherim.com/experiments/php_font_sizer.php 2) PHP Style Changer: This smart script first tests to see if the user accepts cookies. If they do accept cookies then the script user interface (simple text link) will be available to them. If they don't allow cookies they can get a message saying a script is available to them if they decide to change that settings, or, better yet, just don't offer the feature they can't use. Just make sure the text size is adequate upon landing. This script is optimized for two style sheets, but it can be extended with a little effort. This script was made in Sept of 2006 and could probably be tweaked, but that's always the case. http://mikecherim.com/experiments/php_style_changer.php The advantage to these is that they are both server-side scripts so they don't require that the user have JavaScript enabled in addition to cookies. Hope this is useful to you. Cheers. Mike Cherim http://green-beast.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Looking for a Stylesheet Switcher Script
Thanks Amit, I really enjoyed your websites accessibility and the various options available. Your code works nicely, but unfortunately is causing an issue with some other JS we have that i'm trying to debug. We have a menu built on the script.aculuo.us framework which is quite accessible, but when i add your code it starts off with all of my menu items fully expanded. I'll have to figure out a work around for this. Has to be something related to the onload functionality of the script you have that's colliding with the existing JS. I'll have to mediate and make sure they play together nicely. Thanks Again. On 8/2/07, World S. Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ryan, We use this script on our website to do the same. Look at the code for the path and you can easily nick it. Right now, it works using javascript but you can do the same using php or asp by changing the style sheets dynamically. Hope this helps. Best Regards, Amit Bhaskar Managing Director Webmirer Ltd Unit No 002L iBic, Aston Science Park Holt Court, Jennens Road Birmingham B7-4EJ Telephone: 0121 250 3850, 0121 288 1121 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 07886430883 Website: www.webmirer.co.uk Fulfil your *legal obligations*. Increase you *market share*, increase your *visibility*. Make your *website* *accessible* to all. Company Name: Webmirer Ltd. Limited Company Registered in England and Wales under registered number: 05746719 Registered Address: Faraday Wharf, Aston Science Park, Birmingham, UK B7 4BB Ryan Moore wrote: I'm looking for a Stylesheet Switcher Script that users can use to dynamically change text sizes on the fly. Our text size is already quite legible and sized in em's for easy resizing, but i've been told by the powers that be that we also need a style sheet switcher. Anyone know where i can find a nice script for this? RM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Center Align an Unorder List
Looking to Center Text on an unordered list. Example: ul liLink 1/li liLink 2/li liLink 3/li /li Desired Effect: Link 1 Link 2 Link 3 I don't have my CSS Code Base with me right now so hopefully someone can lend a hand. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Client - Site Edits
dotnetnuke has some nice functionality, but out of the box is an accessibility nightmare. On 7/11/07, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny you should send that one Kevin, I am literally just scoping around for a similar solution to the site I have just built. I was recommended these two aparrently free CMS solutions by another client. http://www.dotnetnuke.com/ http://www.cmsmadesimple.org/ I am only just taking a look now so not sure how standards compliant they are. The last site I built used a combination of Contribute and Wordpress, not so pretty and kind of limiting. Depends on what they want to update and the type of content I guess. I would like to hear of any other free open source CMS solutions there are out there? preferably one using PHP, but open to suggestions. Cheers Paul On 10/07/07, Kevin Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it very disappointing that very few clients really appreciate the amount of hard work that goes into designing and building a site (in my experience). This particular client wants to save a few bucks by maintaining the site herself. She doesn't seem to realize that her time is valuable as well and better used when devoted to her strengths. I think most of us know that we need to call a plumber or electrician as they are experts in their fields, and rightly so. Nuff said... Now that I have a realization that I need to incorporate some sort of a CMS solution, can anyone lead me to resources that may help to teach me the ropes? I am leaning towards PHP, as I am somewhat familiar with the language. Thanks. Regards, Kevin. On 7/10/07, Matthew Ohlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Ross wrote: Hi all, I am trying to find a solution to a nagging problem. Most of my client's sites are not very dynamic and I update them as the client requires. Because the updates are very infrequent, I have not been charging very much for this ongoing support. However, I have a new client who wants to maintain her own site (one I designed for her). She is pretty good on the computer, but doesn't really know her way around HTML or CSS. I am agonizing over how to pass the torch over to her. The site is not extremely complex, but is more than a little task for someone who does not design web sites. I am wondering for advice on this situation and I am also wondering how others handle ongoing updates after the initial design has been implemented. I am also wondering if a CMS system would, in any way, be a solution to a situation like this. Thanks. Be careful if you don't use a CMS system. I donated a web site for a local organization and it was a beauty...since I no longer had the time to devote to updating I turned it over to a so called 'web designer' in the community (at the recommendation of the executive director). Sadly, he has basically ruined my site because he has no idea what he is doing and has no concept of web standards--or style for that matter. It is a real shame that so many people charge for and design web sites that don't follow any sort of standards. Matthew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Accessible Drop Down
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/hybrid/ is a drop down list example which can be seen here: http://www.alistapart.com/d/hybrid/hybrid-4.html. I see that it relies on a source of JS to complete the effect, and i'm wondering if it's possible to complete this purely with XHTML CSS. Anyone have a good example of this? Ryan Moore *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Drop Down
Ok. So typically is any form of navigation that relies on a rollover or hover state would be a bad practice of accessibility/usability? On 6/12/07, Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan Moore wrote: I see that it relies on a source of JS to complete the effect, and i'm wondering if it's possible to complete this purely with XHTML CSS. Anyone have a good example of this? Just do not do it. It cannot be done. a. JS is the best tool for *behavior*. CSS for design. b. There are huge accessibility and usability issues with pure CSS menus, such as: - off-screen positioning - moving the mouse the shortest distance will often lead to the menu getting closed - non-intuitive keyboard navigation Etc Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Drop Down
Thanks For your Input Phil. What annoys me with some of the solutions is trying to understand some of the browser hacks, and isn't it now with many of the browsers improving that hacks are frowned upon? On 6/12/07, Philip Kiff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan Moore wrote: I see that it relies on a source of JS to complete the effect, and i'm wondering if it's possible to complete this purely with XHTML CSS. Anyone have a good example of this? Keryx Web (Lars Gunther) wrote: Just do not do it. It cannot be done. a. JS is the best tool for *behavior*. CSS for design. b. There are huge accessibility and usability issues with pure CSS menus, such as: - off-screen positioning - moving the mouse the shortest distance will often lead to the menu getting closed - non-intuitive keyboard navigation Ryan Moore wrote: Ok. So typically is any form of navigation that relies on a rollover or hover state would be a bad practice of accessibility/usability? It depends on how it is done. I would disagree with Lars that it cannot be done, but to do it properly in a way that meets usability and accessibility guidelines requires a great deal of care and attention to detail. I think that the Ultimate Drop Down Menu 4.5 by Brothercake comes about as close as any I've seen to meeting those guidelines (someone else mentioned it last week in response to a similar question about accessible drop-down menus): http://www.udm4.com/ UDM4 normally uses JavaScript, but it is designed so that the it will degrade gracefully and you can set it up so that your menu will work the same way as a CSS-only menu if JavaScript is turned off. It also includes a keyboard module that allows you to configure better keyboard access. UDM4 is copyrighted and there is a licensing fee, but non-profit organizations can obtain a free license. I do not have any relationship, business or personal, with Brothercake/UDM4 other than having used it when working on a non-profit site in the past. Phil. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Accessible Drop Down Menu Example
Hey Folks, was just looking for an example of a good accessible drop down menu for part of a web application i'm developing. Cheers. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Drop Down Menu Example
thanks, this is a great solution :) On 6/6/07, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Behalf Of Ryan Moore was just looking for an example of a good accessible drop down menu for part of a web application i'm developing. plug src=http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/Pure_CSS_Dropdown_Menus.asp; / HTH --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Clearing Floats
i found this link that states that when clearing floats, you should use the overflow technique. http://www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html is this the best route to go? I ran into some difficulties with a layout where the border of the box model was collapsing in, and the content was expanded out of the box, and you couldn't see the box's bg colour. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] FireFox eating Div
Hello all, Wondering why firefox likes to exclude my #nav element out of the box model here. The sites CSS can be viewed in the source for readability. http://www.rockitdevelopment.com/test/ It works fine in IE but who cares about that browser. What is the method around this that is best for standards?
[WSG] X-STANDARD
hi group. was just on the web and was looking into x-standard, i'm currently using dreamweaver mx 2004. anyone have any feedback on x-standard and how it compares to dreamweaver? or possibly another web standard editor that ensures standards? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
