Re: [WSG] blockquote
On 4 April 2010 04:38, Chris Price wrote: > Blockquote is one of those tags that was badly misused for styling purposes. > Now it can only be used within a block level element, namely p. I like to > use the q tag because it introduces quote marks in Firefox. I do a lot of academic-style essays where extended quotations are common. From a semantic POV, makes a lot of sense -- but extended quotes in block form obviate the need for quotation marks. > I can't see what value it now has. Semantic value, for sure. > Being a block quote you would assume it > is a block element but if it requires a container it just seems to be an > unnecessary layer. ISTM the unnecessary layer is the block element within the blockquote. I consider the use of a div element within the blockquote to be approaching 'divitis'. > Wouldn't it be better to simply encase a quote in a p and > give a class 'blockquote'? Blockquotes are not supposed to have quotation marks. -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes.' -- Erasmus *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] blockquote
On 3 April 2010 22:26, Gene Falck wrote: > Hi T. R., > > You wrote: > >> Apparently, cannot be used alone. It >> produces 'character data is not allowed here'. What does it need? > > I think I've seen this before and put my text inside a "p" block > inside the "blockquote" to solve the problem. I tried this, but apparently some of the css for the block was royally fouling up the blockquotes. But Paul's answer that it could be done with a was perfect. Added a for each blockquote and -- voila! -- validation without messing up the layout. >> Also, can the tag have a class assigned to it? > > Once you've got a correct (no error / complaint from your > favorite checker) give it a try and let us know how it works > out--I've only used one style of "blockquote" at a time and > so I usually just style the "blockquote" directly. It can. Usually, a blockquote will be following by a new paragraph, but sometimes the paragraph continues so I wanted to close up the space between the last paragraph (blockquote and div) of the block and the following . Using an adjacent sibling selector solved that nicely. Thanks for all the information. -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes.' -- Erasmus *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] blockquote
Apparently, cannot be used alone. It produces 'character data is not allowed here'. What does it need? Also, can the tag have a class assigned to it? TIA -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes.' -- Erasmus *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] unbalanced q tags for extended quotations?
Quotations which are more than one paragraph in length are supposed to get opening quotation marks for each paragraph and only a single closing quotation mark at the very end (in English). It does not seem this can be done using semantic markup, i.e. q tags. Is there some way to use q tags and get the UA to stop treating each paragraph as a new nested quote? -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes.' -- Erasmus *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Ordered list start value
What is the proper way to start an ordered list at a value other than '1' in XHTML? I had flagged because 'there is no attribute "start"' TIA -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes.' -- Erasmus *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] My best practice HTML sheet
2009/6/25 Keryx Web : > Known issue: The checkmarks (✓) do not work in MSIE or Webkit based > browsers. What?! Something doesn't work in MSIE? I'm shocked. Seriously, when will the Calc version be available? -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes.' -- Erasmus *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] HTML special characters coding
On 18/06/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can others with experience with this please confirm (or not) what Patrick has > said? > Thanks. Yes, Patrick is correct. I would add one caveat. If you use UTF-8 (personally, I see no reason to anything else), you should not use ASCII characters (hex) 81-9F / (dec) 129-159 which includes stuff like &151; for an em dash and &150; for an en dash. Instead, either use the character directly or use — and – for the em dash and en dash respectively. -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] HTML special characters coding
On 17/06/2008, kevin_erickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > I am looking for advice on if the best way to code for special characters is > to use the actual character or the attribute value or the alt code? > i.e. for the ampersand should one use & or &? Does it matter? I know > that Dreamweaver automates some of this but what is the best practice? For the ampersand I always use & because that was how I was taught (I even use it in URLs) and I use < > -- -- but I do not use the HTML character entity (ampersand+text+simicolon) for typing other characters, e.g. I would never use ζωη -- I'd just type ζωη -- not only is it easier to read the markup, it takes a /lot/ less space. -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Page veiwing
On 23/02/06, SunUp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >What is it about low quality that keeps you attracted? > > It's not that I'm "attracted" to it, I simply don't really care about it. > I see those huge fancy flat screen monitors on high res, with all > their kiddie-safe rounded corners and pastelly colours. They look like > a Fisher-Price toy. That sounds more like a complaint about the GUI. IMO, WinXP does have a cartoonish look. > At this res I can read everything without squinting or leaning forward > or constantly upping the size in browsers because developers use teeny > tiny text (I have 20/20 vision btw, no glasses, no contacts). Before I needed reading/computer glasses (getting older!) I found it preferable to see more -- more cells in a spreadsheet, more of a page in a word processor, etc. That's why I set my 21" CRT to 1600x1200. I still use that resolution with glasses and find it no harder to use (without leaning forward or quinting) than reading a printed page. But, of course, to each his (her) own. > Incidentally, I also had to be bullied into getting a mobile phone > (last year). Maybe I'm just a Luddite :) I still do without one. I also resisted pagers (electronic dog leashes) when they were in vogue. I don't need -- or want -- to be available every moment of the day. -- T. R. Valentine Use a decent browser: Safari, Firefox, Mozilla, Opera (Avoid IE like the plague it is) N���.�Ȩ�X���+��i�� n�Z�֫v�+��h��y�m�쵩�j�l��.f���.�ץ�w�q(��b��(��,�)උazX����)��
Re: [WSG] :before and :after for code tag
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Re: [WSG] Plain text v HTML on this list
On 22/02/06, Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All incoming HTML and other multipart gets filtered automatically to my > trash, and so I only open what looks safe according to subject lines. > Good thing for the subject key [WSG] or many posts from this list would > never get opened, unlike WD and css-d posts, whose moms seem to have > greater disgust for HTML than Russ & co and pre-filter so that those > lists don't get evil mail in the first place. Maybe we should take a > poll to see if the majority want that implemented here. ;-) If a poll is being begun, I'll vote 'yes' to filter out e-mail that isn't plain text. -- T. R. Valentine Use a decent browser: Safari, Firefox, Mozilla, Opera (Avoid IE like the plague it is)
Re: [WSG] XML Declaration
On 03/12/05, Christian Montoya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If your server is sending the MIME type text/html, then the META > doesn't do anything. You need to change the MIME type being sent out > in the headers, and that is done server side. Thanks for that explanation. But what about when simply opening the .html file in a browser, no server involved? Even there I do not see a difference in IE between the two forms. -- T. R. Valentine Use a decent browser: Safari, Firefox, Mozilla, Opera (Avoid IE like the plague it is) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] XML Declaration
Could someone please spell the appropriate markup on the XHTML versus HTML issue? In other words, instead of the following: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd";> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; xml:lang="en" lang="en"> is it more proper to write the following? http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd";> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; xml:lang="en" lang="en"> Put another way, is the value for 'content' the key for determing MIME type? The reason I am puzzled is that the latter example (which, *if* I have understood what has been written should not work in IE because it is XHTML) appears to be identical to the former example when viewed in IE. Based on what has been written, I figure I must be misunderstanding something. TIA. -- T. R. Valentine Use a decent browser: Safari, Firefox, Mozilla, Opera (Avoid IE like the plague it is) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Text choices on our own sites
On 30/10/05, Richard Czeiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually James, I think this is more a Usability concern rather than an > Accessibility concern. > What you might say instead is: > > "I can't view the site on my browser and even if I could, the text is samll > and I can't change it!" > Or > > "Why does this site tell me I need to have JavaScript turned on? How do I > even do that?" AFAIK, all browsers have JavaScript turned on by default. If a user has turned it off, the user certainly ought to know how to undo his previous action. (If a user has had a friend do it, the user ought to be able to get the answers from the friend.) (Disclaimer: I avoid using JavaScript because many people will not use it.) -- T. R. Valentine Use a decent browser: Safari, Firefox, Mozilla, Opera (Avoid IE like the plague it is) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.
On 04/10/05, Christian Montoya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IMO arial isn't so hot for the web anyway. OK, I'd like to hear some opinions. A lot of the pages I produce need, for technical reasons, a Unicode font (especially the 0370–03FF, 0400–04FF, 0500–052F, 1F00–1FFF, and 2000–206F ranges). I find 'Arial Unicode MS' very handy for this. Plus, it is a sans-serif style which is generally regarded as superior to a serif font for screen reading. A typical CSS entry for me is: font-family:'Arial Unicode MS','Everson Mono Unicode', 'Palatino Linotype',Code2000,'TITUS Cyberbit Basic','Athena Roman', Athena; (I know I don't have a generic, but that's because there really isn't a suitable generic.) So my questions are: what is wrong with Arial (Arial Unicode MS in particular)? are there better font alternatives? (I generally provide links for downloading these fonts because there is not a reliable means of providing fonts to web users.) I would very much appreciate suggestions. -- T. R. Valentine Use a decent browser: Safari, Firefox, Mozilla, Opera (Avoid IE like the plague it is) N�ŠÇ.²È¨žX¬µú+†Ûiÿü nËZ�Ö«vÈ+¢êh®Òyèm¶ŸÿÁæ쵩Ýj·l‚º.¦Šàþf¢—ø.‰×¥Šw¬qùŸ¢»(™èbžÛ(žš,¶)උazX¬¶¶)à…éi
Re: [WSG] Semantic Calendar
On 17/08/05, Scott Swabey (Lafinboy Productions) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does a calendar (single month) qualify as tabular data, > are ordered lists a better fit, or should I be looking at > another option? IMO, a calendar is always tabular data. -- T. R. Valentine Use a decent browser: Safari, Firefox, Mozilla, Opera (Avoid IE like the plague it is) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] self-counting list items
On 08/08/05, Drake, Ted C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was looking through the w3c specs and came across this example that seems > to be perfect. But I can't get it to work. Has anyone worked with this > before? > > http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/generate.html#scope Yes. See http://plano.lib.il.us/testing/counters.html It works in Opera 7+. It is supposed to work with the *next* version of Firefox. It does not work in IE. -- T. R. Valentine The only excuse for using IE is ignorance (or testing) (stupidity is a reason, _not_ an excuse). ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE question - user style sheets
On 04/08/05, Drake, Ted C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have an IE question > > In Firefox, I can choose an alternate page style quite easily. Is there an > easy way for them to do the same thing in IE? Not without using JavaScript. (It is also easy to choose an alternate page using Opera -- even easier than Firefox or Mozilla.) -- T. R. Valentine The only excuse for using IE is ignorance (or testing) (stupidity is a reason, _not_ an excuse). ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Unicode in Visual Studio? For xhtml, css ?
On 21/07/05, Terrence Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't use VS but generally UTF-8 or UTF-8 (no bom) is the best bet. > > Make sure you send the correct header or meta for your html files i.e. > charset=utf-8. For CSS files include as the first line: @charset > "utf-8"; Why should one include that as a first line? I normally save my files in UTF-8 format, do not use that as a first line, and have never experienced problems with my CSS files (I regularly use a meta tag charset=UTF-8 in my (X)HTML). Am I missing something? -- T. R. Valentine The only excuse for using IE is ignorance (or testing) (stupidity is a reason, _not_ an excuse). ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check Win 2000
On 21/07/05, Dean | eCreate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, I think the problem was a div I inadvertantly added outside my "wrapper" > div whose width was controlled by the javascript. > > Any brave soul care to check it out for me? > > <http://www.stthomasaquinasacademy.org/indexJava.mgi> Well, I tried. The above URI locked up IE6/Win2k Server. However, <http://www.stthomasaquinasacademy.org> did not. -- T. R. Valentine The only excuse for using IE is ignorance (or testing) (stupidity is a reason, _not_ an excuse). ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check Win 2000
On 21/07/05, Dean | eCreate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday, July 21, 2005 at about 2:04 PM, from [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...T. R. > Valentine entreated: > > | Needed Task Manager to kill it. > > Thanks for all the replies. > > I have pulled all the minimum width javascript off the page. > > Can you test again? Just the homepage: > > <http://www.stthomasaquinasacademy.org/> No problems this time. The background images are a bit grainy (the server has colour depth of only 256, so a lot of stuff looks grainy). No horizontal scroll bar maximised at 800 x 600. -- T. R. Valentine The only excuse for using IE is ignorance (or testing) (stupidity is a reason, _not_ an excuse). ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check Win 2000
On 21/07/05, T. R. Valentine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 21/07/05, Dean | eCreate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If anybody out there has Win 2000 running IE6 could you check this URL: > > > > <http://www.stthomasaquinasacademy.org/> > > > > I am getting one report that it is loading but then hanging up IE. > > I tried using W2k Server (SP4) with IE 6.0.2800.1106, Update Versions: > SP1, Q823353, Q833989, 903235. The cursor went to hourglass/pointer > and IE was hung. Needed Task Manager to kill it. > > I saved the HTML file -- it opened without problem in IE6. I copied > the aquinas.css file to the same directory -- and IE hung again. Just read about sizing. It hangs IE6 no matter how I size the window. The display is set to 800 x 600 x 256. -- T. R. Valentine The only excuse for using IE is ignorance (or testing) (stupidity is a reason, _not_ an excuse). ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check Win 2000
On 21/07/05, Dean | eCreate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If anybody out there has Win 2000 running IE6 could you check this URL: > > <http://www.stthomasaquinasacademy.org/> > > I am getting one report that it is loading but then hanging up IE. I tried using W2k Server (SP4) with IE 6.0.2800.1106, Update Versions: SP1, Q823353, Q833989, 903235. The cursor went to hourglass/pointer and IE was hung. Needed Task Manager to kill it. I saved the HTML file -- it opened without problem in IE6. I copied the aquinas.css file to the same directory -- and IE hung again. No problem with W2k Workstation and IE 5.00.3700.1000 HTH -- T. R. Valentine The only excuse for using IE is ignorance (or testing) (stupidity is a reason, _not_ an excuse). ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
