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RE: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?
I would agree. When you have over 20,000 employees and multiple legacy systems, upgrading an OS is a really big deal and you will always be behind the pack. Staff don't have the choice or ability to upgrade. WP -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis, Matthew Sent: Monday, 4 August 2008 2:05 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue? as to say look at the theory of developing specifics for IE6. There is a gaining movement around to start phasing out IE6 support - look at 37signals, I think they begin IE6 phase out this week or next. They've done their maths and taken a gamble. Hopefully it'll spark something. [snip...] In the end, do you want to spend hours developing hacks for IE6 or just nicely push people into an upgrade path? OT and not much to do with IE6 .png solutions but instead, the ongoing support of IE6 aspect of this thread. I was advised by a lesser Microsoft management bot that many corporate organisations have a 'latest minus one' policy, which means only running up to the previous version of any current browser. This will hopefully mean that when IE8 is fully released many corporate techs will then upgrade to IE7, ideally resulting in a bulk upgrade of the costly IE6. I hope this has some truth. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Re: [WSG] css/html snippets
Pete, You've seen this, right? http://snippetz.net/ Cheers, Wendy Peter Ottery wrote: I *think* what i'm talking about it different. i'm just thinking more along the lines of a library of cut'n'paste chunks of re-usable code.. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Technical Aberrations?
Bruce, Can you not place pdfs into Photoshop document and then crop and carry on from there with properly-sized image, or am I not understanding something? Wendy Bruce wrote: ...] twenty pdf files of small images of various shapes, images vary but are around 61x72px and each one on a transparent background, which is 400px by 500px. [] All large backgrounds and no way to cut them out. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check - ShetlandCoffee.com
David, Same shifting top nav thing in FF 1.0.7/Mac. Also, the color of the top links on hover is on the light side, so that they fade into the background a bit. And how come we can't have two guys snogging a girl?? ;-) Cheers, Wendy David Nicol wrote: Hi everyone, I'd appreciate it very much if you could take a quick look at: http://www.shetlandcoffee.com/ All comments welcome. In particular, please let me know if you spot anything that I'd need to fix before my client begins to promote the site. Thank you in advance. Kind regards David Nicol www.nbcommunication.com http://www.nbcommunication.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Fix for min-max in IE [test/FYI]
Al Sparber wrote: See if this page presents a solution: http://www.projectseven.com/csslab/testing/minmax/cssp.htm Al Sparber PVII http://www.projectseven.com Al: I gave this a whirl on IE5.2/mac. The page continues compacting past where it should (I set it at 600px), then it reloads and pops back, and holds at 600px, but with a 100% width (rather than the 85% width specified for my page). Better than nothing, though! Wendy ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Font-size em and reseting within [using keywords]
After reading a well-known css author's statement in his brand-new book that keywords worked best for him, I just went the keyword way (including the Tan hack for Windows/IE) using small as the base font, with all the rest specified in %. (http://www.birchhillaccommodations.com/) Got comments from Windows/IE users that the text was too small, and that small was too small as a base font, in that, at their largest zoom, they still felt the text was too, well small. Will I get the same response if I change over to % for body font (and ems for the rest) and it's anything *but* 100.01%? (F'rinstance, the aforementioned 90.1%?) Wendy Buddy Quaid wrote: ... You should try using the keywords which are relative to the users font-size setting. Xx-small x-small small etc... ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] The name of THAT css/flash font
You might mean SIFR or Scalable Inman Flash Replacement http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/08/sifr Wendy Phillips ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Semi-newbie: advice needed
Mark, Two other suggestions: Eric Meyer on CSS (follow-along projects from The Man) and... either Ebay or Froogle (great source for discounts on all these expensive books). Wendy Mark B wrote: Hiya. I'm an experienced HTML CSS coder who has dabbled a little with the XHTML/CSS way of doing things, but frankly, am a little lost. All the tutorials I've found on the web assume that you are either experienced and trying to do some advanced stuff, or are completely new and don't know CSS. I'm looking for an online tutorial or book that will help me go from the old ways to the new ways - help wean me off tables! :) Can anyone offer suggestions? I'm sure many others on this list have been down this path. Cheers, Mark ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Website Review
Olajide Olaolorun wrote: Can you please review http://www.uniformserver.com and tell me what you think? I would love to hear from you all... Thanks On my Mac OS 9.2.2, in NN7, everything looks good except the sponsored links, which are not liquid - if the browser window is narrowed, they spill out the right side, while everything else adjusts. On IE5.2, I'm afraid everything below the sponsored links scoots south, as though the sponsored links had a huge margin-bottom. The Ads by Google is cut off vertically. Hope this is of some help. I'll check it in OS 10.3 when I reboot. Wendy ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Microsoft going to improve Internet Explorer?
http://blogs.msdn.com/dmassy/archive/2004/06/16/157263.aspx Wendy Phillips Job Ready (Learning Development) Customer Sales Service * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] new window losing it's anchor place
I'm using the recommended accessible way to open a new browser window (yes, I know but it's an elearning module and we have to link out to internal content so learners can view reference material without losing their place, plus they are quite used to this method). However, I'm finding that if the window is opened small to an anchor on the opened page, when the window is resized, the content in the window changes to another section of the page - about a half page worth downwards a href=http://www.cdn.telstra.com.au/cc-foss/url/1product/isdn2blcomplete.htm#how_work; onclick=window.open(this.href, 'popupwindow', 'toolbar=yes,location=yes,status=yes,menubar=yes,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=300,height=300'); return false; any fixes welcome... WP Wendy Phillips Job Ready (Learning Development) Customer Sales Service ___ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] new window losing it's anchor place
Title: RE: [WSG] new window losing it's anchor place Not sure how onkeypress would interfere with other similar links on the page - the link can be tabbed to and therefore works via keyboard only. The page that opens in the new window has a number of anchor links - this is just one of them. I've tried changing to different anchors and the same problem occurs, unless it is the last anchor on the page and there is no where else for the window to shift to. I can only presume it's something to do with the window refreshing itself when it is resized? WP Wendy Phillips Job Ready (Learning Development) Customer Sales Service___ -Original Message-From: Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2004 2:54 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [WSG] new window losing it's anchor place Hi Wendy 1. Where is #how_work on the page? 2. You should also add onkeypress="window.open(this.href, 'popupwindow', 'toolbar=yes,location=yes,status=yes,menubar=yes,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=300,height=300'); return false;" just to make sure it's available via keyboard only. Cheers Jeff Lowder Accessibility 1st Website: www.accessibility1st.com.au Blog: www.accessibility1st.com.au/journal/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Phillips, Wendy Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2004 2:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] new window losing it's anchor place I'm using the recommended accessible way to open a new browser window (yes, I know but it's an elearning module and we have to link out to internal content so learners can view reference material without losing their place, plus they are quite used to this method). However, I'm finding that if the window is opened small to an anchor on the opened page, when the window is resized, the content in the window changes to another section of the page - about a half page worth downwards a href=""http://www.cdn.telstra.com.au/cc-foss/url/1product/isdn2blcomplete.htm#how_work">http://www.cdn.telstra.com.au/cc-foss/url/1product/isdn2blcomplete.htm#how_work" any fixes welcome... WP Wendy Phillips Job Ready (Learning Development) Customer Sales Service ___ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] image swallowing my list
I can't seem to find a reference to this problem: I have an list defined with a background image. If I place this next to an image aligned left, the bullets are hidden by the image. I've tried different padding etc and that makes no difference - developing purely for IE6 ul li { list-style-type: none; background: url(../img/bulletStar.gif) no-repeat 0 2px; padding-left: 18px; background-color: transparent; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; color: #000; } Wendy Phillips Job Ready (Learning Development) Customer Sales Service * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] image swallowing my list
No it does not remove the bullets as a background image is being used instead I tried float and left align - same result. I also tried margin-left. WP Wendy Phillips Job Ready (Learning Development) Customer Sales Service -Original Message- From: Hill, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 11:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] image swallowing my list list-style-type: none; will remove the bullets non? Also I think you could combine the background and background-color rules to just read background: transparent url(../img/bulletStar.gif) no-repeat 0 2px; The image that is aligned left? Is floated left? Maybe try using margin-left if you want more space between the left aligned image and your ul Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phillips, Wendy Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 10:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] image swallowing my list I can't seem to find a reference to this problem: I have an list defined with a background image. If I place this next to an image aligned left, the bullets are hidden by the image. I've tried different padding etc and that makes no difference - developing purely for IE6 ul li { list-style-type: none; background: url(../img/bulletStar.gif) no-repeat 0 2px; padding-left: 18px; background-color: transparent; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; color: #000; } Wendy Phillips Job Ready (Learning Development) Customer Sales Service * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] image swallowing my list
I believe I have solved it - I think it's an IE Box model problem and may be isolated to our LAN version of IE which sometimes appears to do IE 5 things instead of IE 6 (the bods tinker with it). I specified a width (100%) for the UL and it's spot on now (running in non-quirks mode). WP Wendy Phillips Job Ready (Learning Development) Customer Sales Service -Original Message- From: Hill, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 11:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] image swallowing my list list-style-type: none; will remove the bullets non? Also I think you could combine the background and background-color rules to just read background: transparent url(../img/bulletStar.gif) no-repeat 0 2px; The image that is aligned left? Is floated left? Maybe try using margin-left if you want more space between the left aligned image and your ul Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phillips, Wendy Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 10:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] image swallowing my list I can't seem to find a reference to this problem: I have an list defined with a background image. If I place this next to an image aligned left, the bullets are hidden by the image. I've tried different padding etc and that makes no difference - developing purely for IE6 ul li { list-style-type: none; background: url(../img/bulletStar.gif) no-repeat 0 2px; padding-left: 18px; background-color: transparent; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; color: #000; } Wendy Phillips Job Ready (Learning Development) Customer Sales Service * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] print style - reposition a div
Not sure how to tackle this ... I have a two column table - in the right hand column is a div. I have a print style sheet and would like this div to position itself at the end of all other content in the print version. Is this possible? Thanks WP Wendy Phillips Job Ready (Learning Development) Customer Sales Service * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Scrollbars in IE6 (PC)
IE6 has a bug with frames and scrollbars when the page contains an XHTML doctype declaration. If the content causes vertical scrollbars, IE thinks that the width of the scrollbar must be included in the overall width of the page and produces horizontal scrollbars when they are not necessary. The only way around this is to set scrolling=yes in the frameset, and not auto. You end up with ghost vertical scrollbars but there is no solution to this that I have found. If you have an XML prologue inserted, this doesn't happen - Unfortunately, another bug in Internet Explorer is affected by anything that appears before the DOCTYPE and the browser is then sent into Quirks Mode. The ?xml prolog causes IE to miss the DOCTYPE declaration and therefore renders the page in a non-standards compliant way. Luckily, the prolog is not mandatory and can be removed and you are stuck with the first solution. I'm not interested in an anti frame discussion however I also use frames for internal online modules - they really don't pose as many accessibility problems as you might think once you institute a few things: - correct titling and naming of frames - correct titling of each page - skip links to main content - no frames content that goes to the content pages which have navigation to go from page to page and no need of the frames - next and back buttons go straight to named anchors to the main content - print button to print only the frame content and a print stylesheet to format this for print - logical tabbing order - I did have access keys but I weighed up the arguments for and against and removed them (Assistive technologies determine the content in each frame and present the user with a list of the frames, enabling them to select the content they wish to access, supplementing the use of a skip link. It is therefore important to use meaningful frame names in the frameset page and titles as the individual page titles - different technologies use either of these. It is easy to neglect page titles in framesets, as the page title normally displayed in the browser is that of the frameset page itself.) WP -Original Message- From: Vaska.WSG [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2004 7:06 pm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Scrollbars in IE6 (PC) Hi everybody... I'm having a terrible time trying to figure out just why IE6 (Windows XP) is throwing scrollbars at me when I view a page in a frame - I'm really not sure what the trick is to this (if there is one). I hate to ask dumb or redundant questions, but this one is really nagging. Thanks for any advice on this...v Once again, this is being view in a frame...here is the gist of the CSS: body { margin: 0px; } .container { margin: 0px; padding: 0px; width: 100%; } .subhead1 { margin: 0px; padding: 6px 0px 0px 12px; } .subhead2 { margin: 0px; padding: 3px 12px 1px; height: 30px; border-bottom: 1px solid #99; } .content { margin: 0px; padding: 0px; width: 100%; } .content-pad { padding: 0px; margin: 12px; } etc... The makeup of the file... div class='container' div class='subhead1'Just some title text/div div class='subhead2' A table at width='100%'... /div div class='content' div class='content-pad' div class='column' Lots of things go in here, it varies. Some times a table at width='100%' /div /div /div /div * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] css from photoshop file?
I've actually nearly always designed new sites or templates from my graphics file - whether that's fireworks or photopaint. To me, there's no difference in the two methods but designing your layout visually in the first instance gives you the best idea as to how the finished product will more or less look and you can easily move things around, change colors etc until you are happy with it. It's when the design is curvy or you need to slice images that things can get fiddly. The trick is to design from the start with the method of ultimate output in mind - I've had to convert other people's graphics to layouts in the past and because they had no idea as to how a page is 'built' it was much harder and some elements had to be sacrificed or changed. WP Wendy Phillips Telstra Job Ready LD -Original Message- From: Neerav [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 19 March 2004 9:48 am To: WSG Subject: [WSG] css from photoshop file? I have always written standards compliant css for a site around a clients recommendations as to colours and position of logos etc. Now I've been asked: You'd be fine doing the templates from supplied photoshop files? I guess this would mean replicating the look of a PSD file with css code? Would this kind of client expect standards compliant css or rigid WYSIWYG works in IE code, any tips to ensure that the result will be decent css are appreciated. Neerav * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] dreamweaver
Sorry - I should have said I use DW MX - we're still on NT here and MX 2004 doesn't run on it. 2004 will have more accessibility and standards support options that plain MX. As Scott says, you can work in code view, design view, split - whatever you like. I'm in and out of all of them all day long. MX has some CSS display problems inside design view, which 2004 is supposed to have overcome somewhat, but as we work with style sheets that are as familiar as the proverbial back of hand, this is no biggy. Integration with Flash and Fireworks is also a bonus. WP Wendy Phillips Job Ready (Learning Development) Customer Sales Service ___ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 61 3 9203 2363 Building 1, Ground Floor, 301 Burwood Hwy Burwood 3125 Our Intranet Site http://www.in.telstra.com.au/ism/retail_learning_cs/ -Original Message- From: scott parsons [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 17 March 2004 3:49 pm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] dreamweaver I use DW 2004, and rate it most highly. Since I pretty much just use the code view the html produced is mostly down to me... but even the design view is pretty good if the user actually knows how to use DW properly. The support for standards is high, including built in validators html tidy and xhtml or regular html. If you use homesite you might end up liking DW a lot, as you can turn off lots of code hinting and just about revert to homesite. But retain the superior find and replace, site and other DW features... Plus the collaborative features are handy. I like DW, I'm sure others have other preferences s I definately think it is worth it Peter Ottery wrote: anyone using dreamweaver? as far as 100% valid transitional and strict xhtml sites go, can dreamweaver have its preferences etc manipulated enough to be to produce markup and css exactly the way you want? I've always used homesite religiously to handcode sites but may need to look to dreamweaver to satisfy some more complicated templating needs and sharing them across several designers (which dreamweaver looks like it can handle) - i just need to ensure dreamweaver can be whipped into line to produce squeaky clean standards based markup. (and yeah, i've read the macromedia site blurbs - but I was hoping to hear from anyone that has a lot of first hand experience with it - particularly on large scale sites maybe sharing templates between workmates etc) pete * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] IE keyboard shortcut
You could perhaps use Access Keys ... Wendy Phillips Job Ready (Learning Development) Customer Sales Service ___ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 61 3 9203 2363 Building 1, Ground Floor, 301 Burwood Hwy Burwood 3125 Our Intranet Site http://www.in.telstra.com.au/ism/retail_learning_cs/ -Original Message- From: Tim Lucas [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 19 February 2004 11:23 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] IE keyboard shortcut Rex Chung spoke the following wise words on 19/02/2004 10:51 AM EST: does anyone know if there's a keyboard shortcut [in Internet Explorer] for jumping to the next headings (h1,h2,h3 etc) on the page? Nope. http://balasainet.com/iesupersite/support/keyboardshortcuts.htm -- tim * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity
It seems there is an incorrect use of alt tags here - correct tagging would assist use of image mapping See this article http://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_24_providing_text_equivalents_for_image_maps.html WP Wendy Phillips Job Ready (Learning Development) Customer Sales Service ___ -Original Message- From: Bradley Wright [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2004 1:48 pm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity Veine, I'm not trying to be harsh or anything, but the reason for not using image maps is primarily accessibility. Have a look at this: http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mainemaritime.edu%2Fredesign That's your site as seen through a Lynx browser - text only. GoogleBot and screen-readers would get a similar amount of meaning out of it. As you can see, the image map doesn't work very well at all for programs which only read text. Of course it depends on your target audience, but I'd think the problem with Google alone should be enough to convince you. :) Regards, Brad - Original Message - From: Veine K Vikberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity Ryan; Lets hear your reasoning for not using them, and I am willing to change if your reasoning is good enough ;o) However, this client is these days *very* concerned with download time, and as it stands the page is downloading at approximately 8 seconds on a 56K modem under perfect conditions (not that it ever is but...) and that is what he wanted +2 seconds (he said under 10) with the graphics broken up, I am close to that ten second mark, but if there is something I do not know about image maps, please enlighten me. (I did the one located at http://www.mainemaritime.edu 3 years ago when wait was the norm so it was no concern) Regards ~Veine At 07:25 PM 2/2/2004 -0500, you wrote: This really has nothing to do with your email, but I'd recommend staying away from image maps :) i always peek under the hood at the sites that get sent out on the list. As it's not released yet, you'd still have time to change your deployment method. If you don't agree, that's cool. I'm just biased against them :) --Ryan http://www.theward.net Veine K Vikberg wrote: Hello; http://www.mainemaritime.edu/redesign On Mac (OS8.5/IE5.1) looks good, except for around the search box, where there is some weird things going on. If anyone has any help/advice/links to help I would greatly appreciate them, especially the first problem as the client will look on his page through NS 7.1/XP Pro TIA Regards ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *