Re: [WSG] Google 'X-ray' banner
Uday - It's not a JPG its an animated GIF http://www.google.com/logos/2010/xraydiscovery2010-ps.gif From: Uday Sent: 09 November 2010 08:02 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Google 'X-ray' banner Its just a JPEG image. You will also find a duck in second O and a pigeon birds inside second G and few brush strokes. and its n Regards, Uday Teware *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** ___ Unlimited Disk, Data Transfer, PHP/MySQL Domain Hosting http://www.doteasy.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] DIV Javascript Problem
Hi All I was wondering if I can pick all your brains on an issue I am facing. I am not a big coder and good when it comes to JavaScript. I have recently taken charge of maintaining a website for a client who uses divs to display data onto a .htm page. They do not want to use .php and mysql data basing as they are worried about losing their ranking in the search engines. Here is an extract of the coding. - obviously imports the divs with the prices attached. And in the .htm document I have the code. So I was wondering why this does not always work and especially when I seem to update pages using dreamweaver. I dunno how this works or why it even works. I am trying to convince the client to turn their whole site into a database driven site so these problems don't happen and you do not have bad code however we all have clients who do not wish to listen so any advice would be great. If you have any issues regarding this email please feel free to contact me on the details below. Aaron Wheeler Tel: 01483 860 235 Email: aa...@stageguy.co.uk Web: www.stageguy.co.uk Stageguy Designs Limited. Registered in England and Wales No. 6814665 Registered Office: 788-790 Finchley Road London NW11 7TJ Stageguy Designs Ltd raises money for charity with Everyclick.com - http://www.everyclick.com/stageguy-designs-ltd *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Writing authoritative content
Thanks Edward You have been a very good help to me, I will try to be as accurate in my magazine as possible and that is why I am asking for help (I will pass pdf's of the magazine as it goes along the production stage for all you guys to have a look if you like and let me know). I would appreciate any ideas, what would you like from a magazine. I am trying to include good informative articles on current issues with browser compatibility as well as the focus on css3 when it is released full with browsers that fully support this function. So any ideas you or anyone else has on what you would like please let me know. If you have any issues regarding this email please feel free to contact me on the details below. Aaron Wheeler Tel: 01483 860 235 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.stageguy.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Clarke Sent: 25 October 2008 21:00 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Writing authoritative content I don't doubt your intentions, the more useful resources there are the more the standards are raised but people will "interpret" / "get led by" / "take as gospel" information they receive when the source of the information is, in their eyes, authoritative. With this comes a responsibility to be factually accurate and be of unquestionable quality. Just look at the UK's current education system for the results of poor teaching, economically unproductive numpties who struggle to spell correctly. I wouldn't worry too much about arguments, let it fall on deaf ears, but do heed knowledge and experience from seasoned coders here, after all, it's something you'll be expecting your readership to do ;) WSG is a very productive list for students of standards so you're definitely in the right place. I wish your magazine every success. Regards, Edward Clarke www.ebizconsultancy.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Wheeler Sent: 25 October 2008 20:40 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Writing authoritative content Edward Sorry but to elaborate further, I found this problem to with so many people offering the true compliant ways to code and not performing and once again blaming the web for their mistakes. I would like to point out this is why I have turned to this site as a means to help out on my magazine to make sure all stuff is compliant. I was going to send an email next saying any articles that are made for my magazine if they were posted in these emails. If when people got a chance could please read and confirm all this. I do not mean to upset people and start arguments which some people would seem want to I just want a magazine that is easy to follow and keeps us to a line with compliant standards. If you have any issues regarding this email please feel free to contact me on the details below. Aaron Wheeler Tel: 01483 860 235 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.stageguy.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1742 - Release Date: 25/10/2008 09:53 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Writing authoritative content
Edward Sorry but to elaborate further, I found this problem to with so many people offering the true compliant ways to code and not performing and once again blaming the web for their mistakes. I would like to point out this is why I have turned to this site as a means to help out on my magazine to make sure all stuff is compliant. I was going to send an email next saying any articles that are made for my magazine if they were posted in these emails. If when people got a chance could please read and confirm all this. I do not mean to upset people and start arguments which some people would seem want to I just want a magazine that is easy to follow and keeps us to a line with compliant standards. If you have any issues regarding this email please feel free to contact me on the details below. Aaron Wheeler Tel: 01483 860 235 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.stageguy.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Clarke Sent: 25 October 2008 20:19 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Writing authoritative content Aaron, I'll try and be as constructive as possible but I have to point out a few things and make some suggestions?! People who read articles, magazines, discuss on boards, are in large, learners. We're all students of the Web but all too often we learn on the advice of others with, what we perceive to be, authority. The contents of this month's issue states: perfect menus, perfect layouts and clean code. Now, may I ask on what authority do you claim to be in a position to write such material? The reason I ask is when I read your post, I checked out your website, www.stageguy.co.uk, blindly hoping for a useful resource but instead I was met with a seriously poor mix of HTML which chokes the validator and makes no sense. Beyond this I checked out your portfolio and even your clients websites share the same poor mix of HTML which makes no logical sense (but somehow renders). Since this is a "standards" list, I'd hope this would be a bigger priority before imparting your knowledge of CSS, after all, how can you effectively style poor, invalid markup when the markup is the foundation? Apologies is this sounds like a bashing, I don't normally post but it's just I've spent two days with some "web designers" and I've been (not literally) wringing their necks trying to unlearn authoritative information about markup and style they've read on the web. I hope you see this in the light it was meant for. Don't try to run before you can walk, sort your website out, improve the quality of your clients work and perhaps you'll have great success as an author and we can all read and learn, as I've previously mentioned, we're all students of the Web. Regards, Edward Clarke www.ebizconsultancy.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Wheeler Sent: 25 October 2008 18:57 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Font-size inheritance issue? Hi all my name is Aaron and I own the new site cssboard.co.uk I am writing to you all today to see if anyone could help me out with 3 minutes of their time. I am startinga new magazine (FREE) called Css& Design it is a magazine designed at reaching the designers of the web world who loved and will only stick to the css standard way of life. In short I am looking for as much help as I can writing the articles ( all adverts go to you and you companies / projects) The themes this month is as follows IN THIS ISSUE The Growth of Gallery & Design Competition Sites (Article) How to create the perfect css menu navigation (Tutorial) Where is design heading in 2009(Article) The Perfect Layout (Tutorial) Clean Code (Article) Design Competition - Design a new church site (Prize award of free css bible book) Resources ( A collection of links that will build up as the magazine gets better) 3 - 4 pages of advertising throughout the issue Best CSS Gallery - We will be doing an article on the best css gallery site we can find. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1742 - Release Date: 25/10/2008 09:53 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Writing authoritative content
Hi Edward Thanks for your views and I totally understand where you are coming from. My clients sites were designed by me and a most have not been coded. They had their own coders. My site is only being created I am getting the look right before I get the code sorted this for me seems to come last. I try to get it working:) Thanks again for being nice unlike some other emails I have received. Aaron If you have any issues regarding this email please feel free to contact me on the details below. Aaron Wheeler Tel: 01483 860 235 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.stageguy.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Clarke Sent: 25 October 2008 20:19 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Writing authoritative content Aaron, I'll try and be as constructive as possible but I have to point out a few things and make some suggestions?! People who read articles, magazines, discuss on boards, are in large, learners. We're all students of the Web but all too often we learn on the advice of others with, what we perceive to be, authority. The contents of this month's issue states: perfect menus, perfect layouts and clean code. Now, may I ask on what authority do you claim to be in a position to write such material? The reason I ask is when I read your post, I checked out your website, www.stageguy.co.uk, blindly hoping for a useful resource but instead I was met with a seriously poor mix of HTML which chokes the validator and makes no sense. Beyond this I checked out your portfolio and even your clients websites share the same poor mix of HTML which makes no logical sense (but somehow renders). Since this is a "standards" list, I'd hope this would be a bigger priority before imparting your knowledge of CSS, after all, how can you effectively style poor, invalid markup when the markup is the foundation? Apologies is this sounds like a bashing, I don't normally post but it's just I've spent two days with some "web designers" and I've been (not literally) wringing their necks trying to unlearn authoritative information about markup and style they've read on the web. I hope you see this in the light it was meant for. Don't try to run before you can walk, sort your website out, improve the quality of your clients work and perhaps you'll have great success as an author and we can all read and learn, as I've previously mentioned, we're all students of the Web. Regards, Edward Clarke www.ebizconsultancy.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Wheeler Sent: 25 October 2008 18:57 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Font-size inheritance issue? Hi all my name is Aaron and I own the new site cssboard.co.uk I am writing to you all today to see if anyone could help me out with 3 minutes of their time. I am startinga new magazine (FREE) called Css& Design it is a magazine designed at reaching the designers of the web world who loved and will only stick to the css standard way of life. In short I am looking for as much help as I can writing the articles ( all adverts go to you and you companies / projects) The themes this month is as follows IN THIS ISSUE The Growth of Gallery & Design Competition Sites (Article) How to create the perfect css menu navigation (Tutorial) Where is design heading in 2009(Article) The Perfect Layout (Tutorial) Clean Code (Article) Design Competition - Design a new church site (Prize award of free css bible book) Resources ( A collection of links that will build up as the magazine gets better) 3 - 4 pages of advertising throughout the issue Best CSS Gallery - We will be doing an article on the best css gallery site we can find. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1742 - Release Date: 25/10/2008 09:53 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Font-size inheritance issue?
Hi all my name is Aaron and I own the new site cssboard.co.uk I am writing to you all today to see if anyone could help me out with 3 minutes of their time. I am startinga new magazine (FREE) called Css& Design it is a magazine designed at reaching the designers of the web world who loved and will only stick to the css standard way of life. In short I am looking for as much help as I can writing the articles ( all adverts go to you and you companies / projects) The themes this month is as follows IN THIS ISSUE The Growth of Gallery & Design Competition Sites (Article) How to create the perfect css menu navigation (Tutorial) Where is design heading in 2009(Article) The Perfect Layout (Tutorial) Clean Code (Article) Design Competition - Design a new church site (Prize award of free css bible book) Resources ( A collection of links that will build up as the magazine gets better) 3 - 4 pages of advertising throughout the issue Best CSS Gallery - We will be doing an article on the best css gallery site we can find. If you can help please let me know , Thanks Aaron *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Coding for CSS3?
Honestly css3 is not ready to be used , we wont truely be able to use this new coding language onlong with HTML 5.0 until the next releases of browsers some can now but it will take until then for the world to upgrade their browsers. On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 00:09:55 +1000, "Ben Lau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > I'm having trouble deciding whether to begin coding using CSS3, such as > using (but not limited to) opacity. Although the CSS validator returns an > error, but it claims it'll be supported in CSS3. As far as i know, FF2, > FF3, > Opera and Safari already renders the opacity property, leaving Internet > Explorer, which we could use alpha properties in separate stylesheets and > conditional comments. Anyone know if IE8 supports it? > > I haven't had a good look at all CSS3 properties yet, but I'm wondering if > this is a good time to code for the future? Or better to wait for official > release of CSS3? > If CSS3 is released tomorrow, what about older browsers like IE6? > > Cheers, > Ben > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Is it a good/bad practise to have more than one same link url?
In my personal opinion if you are linking in an article you should abay by these rules 1 link on 1 image only 1 link as a source 1 link as a forwarder that is all, any more and it will start affecting you seo as google and even yahoo will take this as a spam attempt Aaron Wheeler On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:33:31 -0700, tee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was thinking maybe it's a SEO question and shouldn't post it here, > however, the more I think about it, the more I feel it deserves a > semantical perspective and wonder if it creates obstacle for screen > reader. > > In a content block (a teaser or a product for example) where you have > an image, a short description or paragraph with a link to another > page, say, the image is relevant to the title, is it good or bad to > have both image and title (or 'read more') anchored, not in one link, > but two separate links ? > > > tee > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Is it a good practice to have 'Back to Top' link?
I find that this approach is not good in this day and age everyone loves to have an interactive approach but the accordian approach in my eyes has not lived up to a good range when it comes to displaying information. Aaron Wheeler On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:56:52 +0800, Henrik Madsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Perhaps the solution then is an accordian approach? > > > > Henrik Madsen > Generator > +61 8 9387 1250 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.igenerator.com.au > > On 29/09/2008, at 4:19 PM, David Dorward wrote: > >> Robin Shi wrote: >>> How about the tabs with JS? It visually breaks the page into small >>> parts and switch by tabs. >>> >> So - the visitor comes, they read to the bottom, then they have to >> scroll to the top and activate the next tab (and repeat). I'm not too >> keen on this idea. >> >> -- >> David Dorward >> http://dorward.me.uk/ >> >> >> >> *** >> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> *** >> > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] WE05
Quoting Katrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Gday, I was lucky enough to be able to attend WE05, and I was listening to something Tantek Celik said and I've been mulling it over for a few days, and I just thought I'd ask a group who'd know. Context: I'm a uni student, so I don't know much. Going back to Tantek Celik, he was referring to meaningful markup and he said "Who has ever seen a div with a class of header? Why not use a header (eg.) element?" I may not have understood that. I may have misheard that. I'm sorry if I did. Aren't the header tags reserved for text? Is it acceptable form to place non-textual elements only inside of header tags? Eg. src="image.jpg" alt="An image"> ? I dont beleive it is, however it is perfectly acceptable to set the image to the css background property, and use negative indentation to remove the text from the display. Kat ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** -- Aaron Tate ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE
Please unsubscribe me. Thanks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of scott parsons Sent: Saturday, 9 April 2005 5:32 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org; IMB Recipient 1 Subject: Re: [WSG] flash and accessabilty Patrick Lauke wrote: >In and of itself, flash will never be accessible to everybody, as it >requires a plugin; it's not a web native technology. > A plugin huh?, I've always wondered what the difference was between having to have the flash plugin and having to have a web browser? it is very hard to see any html css website without the correct plugin (that is a browser), so why does it suddenly become so much worse when flash is required? Sorry but I have just never understood this argument, would you mind explaining? >Older screenreaders >can't access its content at all. So, it's important to provide accessible >fallback mechanisms. > Yeah but my fallback positions for older browsers, like say netscape 2 are pretty hazy, theoretically they could understand the plain html, ignoring more modern tags but I haven't really tested it recently. >However, for the percentage of users that *can* use >flash (have the plugin, have assistive technology that works correctly >with it, etc), you should then ensure that the flash itself follows >sensible, accessibility-related norms and conventions. > >I'd suggest having a look at Bob Regan's recent post on Flash Accessibility >http://www.markme.com/accessibility/archives/007003.cfm >and the interesting WCAG 1.0 Techniques for Flash >http://www.markme.com/accessibility/archives/007344.cfm >(just to clarify: WCAG itself does not necessarily cover Flash, as it's not >an official W3C technology...so this document makes recommendations that >are similar / in sympathy with what WCAG tries to achieve, but in a Flash >context). > > > These links are really useful as I work in advertising and it is a constant battle to get any kind of adherence to accessibility requirements. But also because there are many flash designers out there who would like to learn but haven't found good resources. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] IE/Win Layout Gaps
My site ( http://www.feaverish.com ) looks as it should in Safari, Mozilla/Firefox, and IE 5/Mac. However, IE/Win produces strange gaps in the layout. My entire CSS is at ( http://www.feaverish.com/wp-layout_book.css ), but it is basically 3 divs inside a larger containing div. The three internal divs all have background images, making the page look like a book (with a fixed height/width top image, a fixed-width/variable-height middle image - for the main site content, and a fixed height/width bottom image). The containing div is absolutely positioned at the very right edge of the viewport. In IE/Win all three divs (or at least their background images) are shifted a few pixels to the left, ruining the look (you have to see the site to get it). Worse still, the bottom div, and its image, are spaced 50-75 pixels below the div above them, with a glaring whitespace gap in between! This totally ruins the continuity of the "book," as the bottom div's image forms the bottom edge of the book. This is my first website, and the CSS is very amateurish, but it is XHTML 1.0 Strict and the CSS does validate. I've posted this problem in several design and coding forums but haven't received any help so far. Anything would be greatly appreciated. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check: AITP; Illowa Chapter
I'm wondering if anyone has had a chance to look over my problem: http://143.226.165.202/other/aitp Really looking forward to some help. Aaron Holbrook On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:58:48 -0600, Aaron Holbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi everyone, first time for me to ask for you all to check a site for > me, but I'm sure it won't be the last. > > I believe it renders fine in most browsers, except one flaw (advice > would be MOST welcome): > I have no clue how to get the navbar to render fully - if there is > more content than navigation links (or you simply resize it smaller so > that it overflows). > I'd ideally like the navbar section to be a solid color all the way to > the footer. Any suggestions? > > http://143.226.165.202/other/aitp";>Illowa Chapter; AITP > > I've tried using the: min-height; but it won't render correctly in IE. > So, I'm stumped. > Thanks a million! > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] Site Check: AITP; Illowa Chapter
Hi everyone, first time for me to ask for you all to check a site for me, but I'm sure it won't be the last. I believe it renders fine in most browsers, except one flaw (advice would be MOST welcome): I have no clue how to get the navbar to render fully - if there is more content than navigation links (or you simply resize it smaller so that it overflows). I'd ideally like the navbar section to be a solid color all the way to the footer. Any suggestions? http://143.226.165.202/other/aitp";>Illowa Chapter; AITP I've tried using the: min-height; but it won't render correctly in IE. So, I'm stumped. Thanks a million! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] Text selection in CSS layouts
Hi folks, Can anyone help as to why (in IE at least) it's not possible to select/copy text without selecting other content automatically in this page? http://www.marketingmixers.com/new.php This happens to me a lot on CSS layouts but I've never had a definitive explanation. This time, a client's asked for one. Any way I can fix it? Thanks, Aaron -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.3 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.3 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] IE's New JavaScript Blocking Feature
To be honest Lawrence, I think the only way to get round a pop-up blocker that works on all pop-ups (including those generated by a click) is to open the link in the same window rather than a new one. Other than that, you'll have to include instructions for users to turn off their pop-up blocker for the particular site they're viewing. Most blockers, including IE's, allow themselves to be disabled on a per-site basis. Aaron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lawrence Carriere Sent: 27 November 2004 07:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] IE's New JavaScript Blocking Feature Mark Harwood wrote: --- The best and only way i do pop-ups is href="http://google.com/"; onclick="window.open(this.href, 'popupwindow', 'width=400,height=300,scrollbars,resizable');return false;" this allows you to do whatever you like with the link and also makes it valid, right click-able and so forth.. --- Well I can see that it doesn't take long for the topics to 'off topic' in this list! :) As for the fix ... With the snippet of JavaScript that Mark supplied above, I still get the information bar and no JavaScript run unless you choose to allow it. This was the main problem and reason for the post actually. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lawrence Carriere Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 12:37 PM To: Web Standards Group Subject: [WSG] IE's New JavaScript Blocking Feature I've got two questions but as they are different topics completely, I will separate them into two different threads. They kind of relate, but not enough, so here's the first one regarding IE's New JavaScript Blocking Feature: -- IE's new content blocking features are wreaking havoc on my methods and designs! For the longest time I've been using the included JavaScript w/ rel="external" (http://www.sitepoint.com/article/standards-compliant-world) method to have links open up new browser windows while keeping the code valid. I know that I've got to use these methods to keep the code valid as standards compliance outlines that you shouldn't opening new content in different windows. BUT! With some of my applications, I'd like to have new windows open while keeping my code valid anyway. The extremely irritating this is, no IE has that lovely content blocker (added in with Service Pack 2) that cause the JavaScript to be blocked. Sure you can just tell it to include the content and off you go but for those that don't know any better, (and trust me, I to Tech Support for an ISP and there are a lot of people that don't know any better), it's a real pain and the chances that your pages will not be rendered properly are too high. Any thoughts? Ideas? Thanks -- LAWRENCE CARRIERE [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.lawrencecarriere.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.3 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.3 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.3 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.3 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Border gap
Thanks John. Narrowing the mainnav did sort it out - much appreciated. Now I can get on with building the rest of it... Aaron -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release Date: 24/11/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release Date: 24/11/2004 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] Border gap
Title: Border gap Hi folks, The following is a work in progress but I have a problem… HYPERLINK http://newsite.websitedirection.com/ http://newsite.websitedirection.com/ The green border going across the bottom of the header div is not touching the right hand side of the wrapper div and I can't work out why. Margins and padding are set to zero. Any light someone can shed on it would be much appreciated. Thanks, Aaron -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release Date: 24/11/2004 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release Date: 24/11/2004
[WSG] Weird horizontal list 100% width problem only in IE6
Hi All, Works perfectly in FireFox, I'm only having this prob in IE6. http://www.micra.com.au/multimedia/ Howcome the blue sub navigation list never expands to the full width of the screen? It seems to pick a random width based on the number of items in the list. If you browse around the site, you will see it varies in length!? I have width:100% for this list in my css file, and it works perfectly in firefox. Any ideas??Thanks heaps. Aaron.
Re: [WSG] Unsubscribing
Why not just create this kind of atmosphere in a forum, instead of an email group? Just a thought, people could check it on their own time - instead of filtering through dozens of emails each day (which I'm sure no one puts at the top of their list). Aaron Holbrook On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:59:58 -0500, Rob McCormack - ReadPlease Corp. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is an excellent suggestion. > > As good as it is... there is too much email for me > to digest. > > ~Rob > > > - - - - - - - - - - - > Rob McCormack, P. Eng. > President > ReadPlease Corporation > "Software that lets your computer talk" > 121 Cherry Ridge Road > Thunder Bay, ON, Canada > P7G 1A7 > Time Zone: ET, GMT-4, New York Time > Toll free: 877-768-6720 > > Phone: 807-474-7702 > Fax: 807-768-1285 > Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web: http://readplease.com > > - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Aaron DC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 3:12 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [WSG] Unsubscribing > > > > Just a suggestion: > > I'd like to remain a member on the website but do not have time to read any > emails at the moment. I went to the website to unsubscribe and it's a dual > function - unsubscribe AND delete your membership. I'm unsubscribing, hope > you dont take it personally. Would seem like a good idea (tm) to maintain > membership but not email people. > > Aaron > > > Atomic Software > http://www.atomic-software.com.au > > phone: +61 409 430 231 > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] Unsubscribing
Just a suggestion: I'd like to remain a member on the website but do not have time to read any emails at the moment. I went to the website to unsubscribe and it's a dual function - unsubscribe AND delete your membership. I'm unsubscribing, hope you dont take it personally. Would seem like a good idea (tm) to maintain membership but not email people. Aaron Atomic Software http://www.atomic-software.com.au phone: +61 409 430 231email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!
Link? On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:20:04 +1100, James Gollan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > There is a small issue on the home page with the hover state in firefox/win. > On the link to the help page the hover state underline is pushing the > content box and footer down by 1px â creates a little visual jump on > rollover. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] WE04 Summary (blowing my own trumpet)
Hi Nancy, Any of the positioning rules which you apply to div tags can also be applied to any other block level element like headings, paragraphs, lists, and so on – even images if you define them as block elements in your style sheet. Simply position the block element itself – you don’t need to wrap it in a div first unless you’re grouping more than one element. Hope that makes sense! Aaron Pollock From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy Johnson Sent: 28 October 2004 14:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] WE04 Summary (blowing my own trumpet) I did not attend this conference and I read the article listed below. Maybe I am missing something. 1. Where can I find a good example of how forms should be laid out for accessibility. 2. Comment on div tags. If we are not suppose to use tables for layout and div tags are supposed to be used with restraint. What other options with layout are there? Nancy Johnson Jason Foss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Greetings! I penned a bit of a summary of some of the things I learned at WE04, and Sitepoint have published it! http://www.sitepoint.com or straight to the article: http://www.sitepoint.com/article/essentials-modern-web-design Did I miss anything imprtant? Well, it's too late now if I did, but I think I covered mostly everything within the scope of the article. (Not everything at the conference mind you!) -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia "We can do almost anything!" ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [WSG] skip to content (was: Site Review Request)
"Skip Navigation" because it's conventional. Oh, and hello, this is my first post :) Aaron Pollock -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of john Sent: 27 October 2004 09:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] skip to content (was: Site Review Request) So, what do others think? A. "skip to content" B. "skip to main content" C. "skip navigation" ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://www.DrZeus.net "content without clutter" Damian Sweeney wrote: > Regarding "skip to content" links, I found this article recently about > usability testing of screen reader users: > > http://www.stcsig.org/usability/newsletter/0304-observing.html > > In particular under the 'Many want to skip the navigation, but don't use > that feature' section: > > Some developers have used the phrase "Skip to Content" instead of "Skip > Navigation." Good idea. But it does not work because "content" in > English can be a noun or an adjective. JAWS reads it here as an > adjective with the accent on the second syllable. So it does not make > sense to users. A solution that does seem to work is "Skip to Main > Content." JAWS reads that correctly as the noun "content" with the > accent on the first syllable. > > Cheers, > > Damian > >> I like it. Clean and simple. >> >> IMO, you should include a "skip to content" link for the screen readers. >> >> ~john >> _ >> Dr. Zeus Web Development >> http://www.DrZeus.net >> "content without clutter" >> >> >> >> >> Daniel Bowling wrote: >> >>> Hello, I would greatly appreciate any feedback for my personal site >>> regarding design, standards compliance, usability and general code >>> quality. >>> >>> http://www.danbowling.com >>> >>> Thank you for your time, >>> >>> Dan Bowling >>> W: http://www.danbowling.com > > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] about.com's Web standards article
Quoting john <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I thought this was interesting. Jennifer Kyrnin, About.com's "Web > Design/HTML" Guide, wrote an article recently regarding XHTML and CSS. > In it, she mentions that she asked one of the About.com developers why > their site isn't using Web Standards. She stated that they had to main > reasons for not doing it: > > 1. Bandwidth - With over 700 sites on About receiving millions of > pageviews a day, even 1KB of extra characters on a page can result in > huge transfers. By cutting out things like alt tags and quotes they can > save a lot of money. > > 2. Compatibility - The audience for About Web pages is huge, and moving > to more modern HTML variants like XHTML 1.0 and CSS positioning will > make it more difficult for older browsers to view the pages. The reason for these answers are quite obviously because they don't want to tell everyone the real reason which is that there all wysiwyg monkeys and don't know any better :-P *dons flame suit* -- Aaron Tate ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] javascript validation question
Ted Drake wrote: I'm having trouble getting a page to validate as xhtml 1.0 transitional. http://v4.csavg40.com/csa/preparequote.do It doesn't like this series of javascript stuff It's for a calendar that pops up on an input field. Are there any javascript experts that can tell me how this doesn't live up to standards? Its the && replace them with && Thank you Ted ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] best tags for FAQs
Quoting Andreas Boehmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi guys, > > I am in the process of creating a FAQ section in one of my websites and I > was wondering what would be the best tags to use for the questions/answers? > > Perhaps there is no standard, but I was wondering whether a definition (DT, > DD) would be applicable? Doesn't really sound right to me, but it would be > nice to use specific tags to easily identify questions and answers on a FAQ > page, don't you think? Definately either DD/DT or UL/LI. Most likely dd/dt. > > Thanks for the feedback! > > Andreas. > > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > -- Aaron Tate Mediafluid e:[EMAIL PROTECTED] w:www.mediafluid.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] WSG Melbourne: Meet Doug Bowman and Dave Shea
Quoting afdesign <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The WSG informal pub meetup scheduled for Monday October 4 has now been > moved to Tuesday October 5. > > This is becasue Dave Shea and Doug Bowman will be in Melbourne on > Tuesday evening. The venue will likely be a pub from 6.30pm onwards but > details are still being worked out. Any news on the venue yet?, I have an appointment i need to cancel, so i'm really hoping its not on the other side of melbourne :) I live in the inner south east (caulfield area) of melbourne, so i'm hoping it will be reasonably close. > > For those in Melbourne that couldn't get to WE04, this is a great > opportunity to get face to face contact with two extraordinary people. > > WSG Co-Chairs Peter Firminger and Russ Weakley will also be flying down. > > So Tuesday evening free and spread the word around to colleagues and > other lists you may be on. > > As with all are meetings here in Melbourne this is open to WSG members > and non-members alike. > > Keep posted to this page for more information: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/event19.cfm > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > -- Aaron Tate Mediafluid e:[EMAIL PROTECTED] w:www.mediafluid.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] accessibility question: same link phrase more than once
I've used phrasing like "continue reading ...", where the blank is the name of the post or article for a while now on my blog. I think it works pretty wel to circumvent situations like this. you could similarly use links like "reply to _ ..." in the same way. Aaron Egaas http://www.aaronegaas.com On Sep 22, 2004, at 8:09 PM, Cameron Muir wrote: I was just wondering the list's opinion about blogs and CMSs that at the end of each new item, have a link that says 'read more' or 'read comments' or just 'more' . Sitepoint, for example, uses the same link phrase more than once when pointing to different URLS: Do not use the same link phrase more than once when the links point to different URLs. <http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/html/en/gls/g265.html>/ (7 instances) / *Line 141*: (reply...) *Line 164*: (reply...) *Line 180*: (reply...) *Line 191*: Posted @ 2:50:08 AM MDT - 4 comments - *Line 192*: (reply...) *Line 222*: (reply...) *Line 234*: (reply...) Nearly all CMSs and blogs do the same. Has anyone come up with any solutions for this? regards, cameron. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] My Favorite XHTML/CSS/JavaScript/PHP Editor - NO WYSIWYG
I like SubEthaEdit most of the time, Dreamweaver if I need to use templates (usually for work) Aaron Egaas Digital Media Designer web: http://www.aaronegaas.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sep 18, 2004, at 9:53 PM, Leslie Riggs wrote: I'm currently test driving a free editor, PSPad Editor, which has Top Style 3.10 (trial edition) built-in - you can also get Top Style Lite which is a free version, instead. I'm fast falling in love with Top Style. So far, I'm finding it a pleasure to work with PSPad/Top Style. The best thing about it: it doesn't take up a huge amount of space on your computer, it's fast, and it's feature-packed. Yes, you can write Javascript and PHP files in PSPad Editor, as well as C++, COBOL, Python, etc. It doesn't slow down my machine or crash. It's not WYSIWYG, but you can click to see what your code produces in IE and Mozilla. No more fighting with the program just to get what I want out of it - at last, a tool that lets me concentrate on what I'm trying to accomplish. Just a delight to use. Leslie Riggs jEdit: http://www.jedit.org/ ...and be sure to check out the recommended plugins in the jEdit Wiki: http://community.jedit.org/cgi-bin/TWiki/view/Main/PluginsOverview Nick Greetings Every One! After "1st Page 2000", I'm using "AceHTML 5 Pro" to build websites (info: http://www.visicommedia.com/). It is great for HTML and CSS developer, but not for a programmer who uses JavaScript and PHP. ... I'm getting tired of it :-( What is your favorite XHTML Editor? (Please note that I'm not looking for WYSIWYG Editors) -- Thanks in advance, Behzad P.S. If you have no time, just mention the program's name :-) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] javascript form submission
> Moving on, as I am generally very lazy when coding, I don't really see the > point in validating the data on the client, if it has to be validated on the > server. I guess you could claim that javascript is quicker to highlight > errors in the form. I have always found a stream of javascript alerts when > submitting a form to be quite annoying. There was a similar discussion on CFAussie - and I agree with you totally. Not what I consider user-friendly. Aaron (It will be interesting to see if the same reaction to these sentiments propagates here...) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] WSG design competition voting time
> When voting remember that it's a two step process. Pick the one you want in > the first column and then rate each design (reading the column header to see > which column is 2 or -2) in the others. Oh boy. Thanks for the heads up on that one :) Aaron * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] WSG design competition voting time
- Original Message - From: "russ - maxdesign" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Web Standards Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 3:20 PM Subject: [WSG] WSG design competition voting time > Hi all, > > The design competition closed last week. Those who submitted entries - thank > you! > Voting closes in 5 days time. The winner will be cut and built into the new > WSG site. Start voting! According to ZenGarden, CSS allows us to easily have all 5 designs at the click of a link. You could add a "design" flag to each member and let them have which ever design they wanted yeah? Aaron * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Re: Site Review and IE5 issue
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[WSG] Tables are bad because...
... heya all - just joined the list for interest's sake and am slowly making my way through some of the posted CSS-savvy sites. Somewhere along the way someone decided tables and in particular nested tables are a bad thing (tm) - I am curious as to the reasoning/history behind this, and the penalties I will receive when I release the new website design for my website :) Regards, Aaron
Re: [WSG] Is a degree necessary?
- Original Message - From: "Gabriel Vasquez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 4:38 PM Subject: [WSG] Is a degree necessary? > My question to you is this: Do you think it would be wise for me to finish > the program and get the degree even though I'm not learning what I want to > be learning, or should I just call it off and focus on web design? A "complete" for your course looks much better to prospective employers on the resume than "DNF' - so good for that reason. The other thing is - nothing (or close to it) you learn at uni will be directly used in employment. Uni should teach you to teach yourself, teach you to think and teach you to communicate. I would even encourage you to do the 3D subjects etc, as it will be a paradigm shift to some extent - broaden your mind into other ways of thinking / approaching problems. Good luck :) Aaron * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] [OT] World Wide Web Conference
Title: [OT] World Wide Web Conference Can anyone give me feedback on the World Wide Web Conference (www.www2004.org). I was thinking about going but would like to know if anyone has ever been to it. It was kind of hard to tell from the website everything that is going on and what it is like. You can direct your comments to the discussion list (http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/07.htm). Thanks, Aaron
