[WSG] Accessibility and fly out menus
I was wondering how members here feel about the accessibility of Fly Out menus. The type I'm talking about are CSS based, ie no JavaScript but I'd be interested to hear what people think about those that utilise JavaScript. ~~ Mary-Anne Nayler Senior Web Designer/Developer Web Services Section Medicare Australia (02) 6124 6681 NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you received this message in error please notify Medicare Australia immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Medicare Australia. *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Accessibility and fly out menus
I was wondering how members here feel about the accessibility of Fly Out menus. The type I'm talking about are CSS based, ie no JavaScript but I'd be interested to hear what people think about those that utilise JavaScript. ~~ Mary-Anne Nayler Senior Web Designer/Developer Web Services Section Medicare Australia (02) 6124 6681 NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you received this message in error please notify Medicare Australia immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Medicare Australia. *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility and fly out menus
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering how members here feel about the accessibility of Fly Out menus. The type I'm talking about are CSS based, ie no JavaScript but I'd be interested to hear what people think about those that utilise JavaScript. The suckerfish menus are pretty accessible, but like all items that require a hover action, those with out a mouse may suffer a little. http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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As a user I have some difficulty with fly out and pop up menus. Firstly I find them difficult visually. Although my eye sight is reasonably good I do not like sudden movement on the screen. Secondly, I find that such menu items can be difficult to keep the mouse on although I do not have any movement disability. In general I have an aversion to sites using these techniques and I tend to avoid them if I can. I consider that there are definitely accessability issues with them, especially for people who have motor neurone problems. Denis Watson, Web Editor, Productivity Commission. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 61 3 9653 2264 Mobile: 0418 330 240 Fax: 61 3 9653 2199 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 June 2007 4:36 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Accessibility and fly out menus I was wondering how members here feel about the accessibility of Fly Out menus. The type I'm talking about are CSS based, ie no JavaScript but I'd be interested to hear what people think about those that utilise JavaScript. ~~ Mary-Anne Nayler Senior Web Designer/Developer Web Services Section Medicare Australia (02) 6124 6681 NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you received this message in error please notify Medicare Australia immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Medicare Australia. *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** # Important Notice ## This e-mail and attachments (if any) is intended for the original addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient , any use or dissemination of this communication is prohibited. Please advise the sender by return e-mail and delete the e-mail *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility and fly out menus
I'm yet to see a JavaScript-free menu that: * Can be used without a pointing device (e.g. by keyboard or breath switch users) * Doesn't vanish the moment that the mouse drifts outside the menu (thus requiring fine motor control that users with, for instance, arthritis are unlikely to have) the whole point is that there shouldn't be a javaScript-free menu that provides this functionality!! CSS is merely a format for styling documents and should not be used for functionality like that! the behavior mentioned above is something that is included in HTML, and, if you want things to look better the required functionality SHOULD be included with JavaScript. So in summary - get those JavaScript books out ; ___ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Accessibility and fly out menus
On Behalf Of Brian Cummiskey The suckerfish menus are pretty accessible, but like all items that require a hover action, those with out a mouse may suffer a little. http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ This solution is keyboard friendly and there is a few pixels cussion around the sub-menus for pointing device users: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/keyboard_friendly_dropdown_menu/EK.asp Making it a flyout rather than a drop down is just a matter of cahnging a few rules. --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Accessibility and fly out menus
Mary-Anne.Nayler wrote: I was wondering how members here feel about the accessibility of Fly Out menus. The type I'm talking about are CSS based, ie no JavaScript but I'd be interested to hear what people think about those that utilise JavaScript. There was a discussion about this *exact* same topic on this list just one to two weeks ago: http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/msg29150.html and http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/msg28989.html Those earlier threads address the questions of CSS vs. JavaScript flyout/dropdowm menus, keyboard navigation, hover delays, etc. Additional older threads on the same topic can be found in the archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/ Phil. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility and fly out menus
Ross Bruniges schreef: the whole point is that there shouldn't be a javaScript-free menu that provides this functionality!! CSS is merely a format for styling documents and should not be used for functionality like that! I've heard this a lot, but if changing color on hovering a link is styling (which I think it is) than I guess a dropdown menu can be seen as styling as well. I'm not saying dropdowns should be done by CSS, but I don't see why it should definitely not be done that way. In the end you'll need CSS anyway, if only for the absolute positioning. Same goes for JavaScript if you want your menu to drop down in IE6. In my opinion the balance between these 2 additional layers just depends both on your personal preferences and (most of all) on what you expect from the final result. If you make shure that, by making the main buttons clickable as well, the dropdown menus only provide extra shortcuts and not the only way of navigating through the site everyone should be able to access your site. Providing an option to turn off the dropdowns is of course a nice extra (if passed on from one page to another). cheers, Sander *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Accessibility and fly out menus
I was wondering how members here feel about the accessibility of Fly Out menus. The type I'm talking about are CSS based, ie no JavaScript but I'd be interested to hear what people think about those that utilise JavaScript. ~~ Mary-Anne Nayler Senior Web Designer/Developer Web Services Section Medicare Australia (02) 6124 6681 NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you received this message in error please notify Medicare Australia immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Medicare Australia. *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
