Re: [WSG] Accessibility and showcasing heavily "visual" work (was IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc))

[Kvnmcwebn]

One example that uses the satay method and i think some of the other things
that were talking about here is.
www.disney.com.


I think there is also one in the css vault.
If you do a search for flash
there your will find it.

-kvnmcwebn

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Re: [WSG] Accessibility and showcasing heavily "visual" work (was IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc))

[Jan Brasna]

BTW I'm going to use this gracefully degrading method on one of the 
projects that are currently under development, so if you send a mail in 
a month or so, I might show you dev site.

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Re: [WSG] Accessibility and showcasing heavily "visual" work (was IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc))

[Jan Brasna]

Interesting Jan,  how would you do that - any examples?
Use the  element properly[1] and insert an alternative in there 
(image, any styled code - even image map[2] etc. ...).

No examples, though. Sorry (can't remember any good).
[1] 
[2] 
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Re: [WSG] Accessibility and showcasing heavily "visual" work (was IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc))

[designer]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jan Brasna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc))


> > What about hybrid sites where the content is primarily xhtml and the
visuals
> > or branding utilize a swf(with alternate content of course)?
>
> That's great if it is done by a standards-wise designer, so it's done
> properly (with the fallback alternatives).



Interesting Jan,  how would you do that - any examples?

Thanks

Bob McClelland,
Cornwall (U.K.)
www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk

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Re: [WSG] Accessibility and showcasing heavily "visual" work (was IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc))

[Jan Brasna]

What about hybrid sites where the content is primarily xhtml and the visuals
or branding utilize a swf(with alternate content of course)?
That's great if it is done by a standards-wise designer, so it's done 
properly (with the fallback alternatives).

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Re: [WSG] Accessibility and showcasing heavily "visual" work (was IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc))

[Kornel Lesinski]

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:14:35 +0100, Kvnmcwebn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

What about hybrid sites where the content is primarily xhtml and the  
visuals or branding utilize a swf(with alternate content of course)?
IMHO that is quite OK, if you put inside  some alternative content
(images, mosltly).
Don't make menu in Flash. Flash doesn't let user choose to open links
in new window/tab.
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Re: [WSG] Accessibility and showcasing heavily "visual" work (was IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc))

[Kvnmcwebn]

So far we've discussed sites that are basically a flash container with a
separate html site for accessabilty.


What about hybrid sites where the content is primarily xhtml and the visuals
or branding utilize a swf(with alternate content of course)?

Right now im building a site that is primarily xhtml but uses swfs for a
mapping application. I think that hybridizing might offer the best of both
worlds. This approach would call for the use of frames ick... if the
flash is used for a navigation module. But if the navigation and content use
standards why not let the presentation use swfs?


-kvnmcwebn


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[WSG] Accessibility and showcasing heavily "visual" work (was IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc))

[pixeldiva]

On 4/21/05, designer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The attitude that says 'visually impaired people don't matter because it
> isn't for them' may sound insular, but it isn't. It's merely a matter of
> fact.  The evangelists of the 'everything in the world must be accessible to
> all' camp are striving for the impossible. The logical extension of this
> extreme attitude is that all art galleries should close down because the
> totally blind can't see anything in there, and all music should be
> unavailable because the totally deaf can't hear it, and  . . .  OK, you get
> the point.

Of course everything can't be accessible to all. It's just not possible.

What is possible is for there to be a level playing field, so that
people can get access to stuff that is then varying levels of
accessible to them.

Taking the art gallery example:

I, as a sighted person can walk into the Tate Modern gallery in
London, see all the artwork there, and yet, find none of it
accessible, because I just don't "get" it.

A friend of mine, who has a serious sight problem can walk into that
same gallery, stand in front of the same pieces of artwork I did, and
that same artwork that I don't "get" is accessible to him.

Does he experience it in the same way that I do (i.e., through the
visual medium)?

Nope.

Does that mean that he shouldn't have bothered going to the gallery
because he can't see it?

Nope.

Extending that to the web.

I dabble in photography. I really enjoy it, and enjoy the feedback
that I get when people look at my photos.

I want to put my photos up on line. They're very visual, and
frequently, very abstract.

I'm passionate about accessibility. I want my friends with sight
problems to be able to experience my photos too, even if they can't
necessarily get the same level of experience visually as others will.

Describing exactly what the subject won't necessarily make my photo
accessible. So I tell the story behind it. What made me take it, what
I was feeling at the time, whatever I think will get across the same
thing I'm trying to get across in the visual medium of the photograph.

Because that way, I feel like someone can then either "get" or "not
get" that photo on an equal level.

Just because someone can't walk into a place, look round and
immediately go "wow" doesn't mean that they can't get that "wow"
factor from something else, like the feeling of space, or the fact
that the flooring has been designed so they don't fall on their face
going up stairs... and if you're showcasing your design skills online,
why limit yourself to just the visual?

Show off your design skills by designing in more than one dimension!

Ok, I'm going to stop ranting and get back to work.

pix
http://www.pixeldiva.co.uk
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