Re: [WSG] Web Standards Presentation

[Christian Snodgrass]

I will also be talking Semantics. If you took a look at my outline, the 
HTML, Div vs. Tables, Deprecated Elements and Attributes, and WYSIWYG 
editor sections will be largely semantic discussion.


Susan Grossman wrote:

Since this is the Web Standards group, I'd like to ask if some members
would be willing to look over the information I have gathered and I am
developing and would comment, critique, correct, etc. on everything I
have presented.




Nice Start - though if I was talking Standards I'd also talk about Semantics


  

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Re: [WSG] Web Standards Presentation

[Christian Snodgrass]

Lol, yes, I know.

I forgot to mention that, thanks to there not being enough time on this 
planet, this website is doubling as a final project in two of my 
classes. That menu, as well as the links for games and animations are 
part of that. Once that is over with, they'll likely be removed. At the 
moment there isn't much accessibility built-in, but I plan on making it 
as accessible as possible once I'm ready to finalize that menu. I'm also 
going to make sure and have an alternate, non-Flash, static menu for 
those that can't use Flash, which I do regardless.


But, I agree that using a Flash menu on the site doesn't really fit, but 
at the same time, I'd like to discuss using accessible Flash, which 
doesn't seem to be mentioned very often in standards texts. In fact, I 
didn't even realize this, but Flash has some support for screen-readers 
and various things, along with the fact that you can take out the 
screen-reader and make it fully accessible in it's own regards.


David Storey wrote:
Opera may be working on educational material of our own, through our 
Developer relations and Dev.opera.com work.  I'll take a look, but as 
a quick first suggestion, it may not be the best idea to use a flash 
menu in a standards site.  I'm not sure if you've put much 
accessibility work into it, but it is a core part of the site and wont 
work on a number of devices where Adobe don't make flash available or 
there are not enough resources for it to run.


David

On 27 Nov 2007, at 19:18, Christian Snodgrass wrote:


Hello,

I am going to be giving a presentation on Web Standards to all 
relevant professors at my university to help them catch up and get 
up-to-date in what they are teaching the students. I am putting 
together various resources for them, including a website (which can 
be found at http://www.arwebdesign.net/webstandards), a slideshow 
presentation (or possibly several), and any other resources they 
might find useful. This will be on ongoing project, with plans for me 
to do a new presentation at least once a semester and for me to 
continually update the website with new information, resources, and 
to send out a newsletter to them answering any questions they have 
and what not. While this is being designed specifically for my 
university, it is open to anyone who finds the information helpful.


Since this is the Web Standards group, I'd like to ask if some 
members would be willing to look over the information I have gathered 
and I am developing and would comment, critique, correct, etc. on 
everything I have presented. The website is in it's very early stages 
as I am still working on the actual content of the site before I 
worry about the website itself. I have uploaded the current plans for 
navigation and a skeletal outline of the information I plan on 
presenting to 
http://www.arwebdesign.net/webstandards/files/outline.pdf (also 
available in .odt). If you could look over the topics I plan to cover 
and give any recommendations of any topics or sub-topics you think I 
missed, I'd be very grateful. This presentation is only an hour long, 
but all of the information will be available online, so even topics I 
don't get to cover they can view online. I will be updating the 
outline continually throughout the next several days, as well as the 
website, so check them out regularly if you are able to.


Once again, thanks for your help,
Christian Snodgrass
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Re: [WSG] Web Standards Presentation

[David Storey]

Opera may be working on educational material of our own, through our  
Developer relations and Dev.opera.com work.  I'll take a look, but as  
a quick first suggestion, it may not be the best idea to use a flash  
menu in a standards site.  I'm not sure if you've put much  
accessibility work into it, but it is a core part of the site and  
wont work on a number of devices where Adobe don't make flash  
available or there are not enough resources for it to run.


David

On 27 Nov 2007, at 19:18, Christian Snodgrass wrote:


Hello,

I am going to be giving a presentation on Web Standards to all  
relevant professors at my university to help them catch up and get  
up-to-date in what they are teaching the students. I am putting  
together various resources for them, including a website (which can  
be found at http://www.arwebdesign.net/webstandards), a slideshow  
presentation (or possibly several), and any other resources they  
might find useful. This will be on ongoing project, with plans for  
me to do a new presentation at least once a semester and for me to  
continually update the website with new information, resources, and  
to send out a newsletter to them answering any questions they have  
and what not. While this is being designed specifically for my  
university, it is open to anyone who finds the information helpful.


Since this is the Web Standards group, I'd like to ask if some  
members would be willing to look over the information I have  
gathered and I am developing and would comment, critique, correct,  
etc. on everything I have presented. The website is in it's very  
early stages as I am still working on the actual content of the  
site before I worry about the website itself. I have uploaded the  
current plans for navigation and a skeletal outline of the  
information I plan on presenting to http://www.arwebdesign.net/ 
webstandards/files/outline.pdf (also available in .odt). If you  
could look over the topics I plan to cover and give any  
recommendations of any topics or sub-topics you think I missed, I'd  
be very grateful. This presentation is only an hour long, but all  
of the information will be available online, so even topics I don't  
get to cover they can view online. I will be updating the outline  
continually throughout the next several days, as well as the  
website, so check them out regularly if you are able to.


Once again, thanks for your help,
Christian Snodgrass
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Re: [WSG] Web Standards Presentation

[Susan Grossman]

> Since this is the Web Standards group, I'd like to ask if some members
> would be willing to look over the information I have gathered and I am
> developing and would comment, critique, correct, etc. on everything I
> have presented.


Nice Start - though if I was talking Standards I'd also talk about Semantics


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[WSG] Web Standards Presentation

[Christian Snodgrass]

Hello,

I am going to be giving a presentation on Web Standards to all relevant 
professors at my university to help them catch up and get up-to-date in 
what they are teaching the students. I am putting together various 
resources for them, including a website (which can be found at 
http://www.arwebdesign.net/webstandards), a slideshow presentation (or 
possibly several), and any other resources they might find useful. This 
will be on ongoing project, with plans for me to do a new presentation 
at least once a semester and for me to continually update the website 
with new information, resources, and to send out a newsletter to them 
answering any questions they have and what not. While this is being 
designed specifically for my university, it is open to anyone who finds 
the information helpful.


Since this is the Web Standards group, I'd like to ask if some members 
would be willing to look over the information I have gathered and I am 
developing and would comment, critique, correct, etc. on everything I 
have presented. The website is in it's very early stages as I am still 
working on the actual content of the site before I worry about the 
website itself. I have uploaded the current plans for navigation and a 
skeletal outline of the information I plan on presenting to 
http://www.arwebdesign.net/webstandards/files/outline.pdf (also 
available in .odt). If you could look over the topics I plan to cover 
and give any recommendations of any topics or sub-topics you think I 
missed, I'd be very grateful. This presentation is only an hour long, 
but all of the information will be available online, so even topics I 
don't get to cover they can view online. I will be updating the outline 
continually throughout the next several days, as well as the website, so 
check them out regularly if you are able to.


Once again, thanks for your help,
Christian Snodgrass
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Azure Ronin Web Design
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Re: [WSG] Web standards presentation

[tee]

Hi Mike, this is such a creative and entertaining way to introduce web
standards. Kudos!

Will the site be permanent? I have bookmarked it and hope to show to
potential clients when explanation of web standards is needed and let them
understand web standards is important for their sites.

tee
> 
> Jan Brasna wrote:
>> Mike, this is awesome, I love the notes! ;)
>> Who was the target audience, please?
>> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> The audience was managers of websites, people who commission websites.
> Especially in the government sector. It wasn't designed as a "hands-on"
> presentation, but more as an introduction to web standards, why they are
> important, and what I think they encompass.
> 
> And yes, feel free to link to it.
> 
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Re: [WSG] Web standards presentation

[Mike Brown]

Jan Brasna wrote:

Mike, this is awesome, I love the notes! ;)
Who was the target audience, please?



Thanks!

The audience was managers of websites, people who commission websites. 
Especially in the government sector. It wasn't designed as a "hands-on" 
presentation, but more as an introduction to web standards, why they are 
important, and what I think they encompass.


And yes, feel free to link to it.

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Re: [WSG] Web standards presentation

[Thierry Koblentz]

Mike Brown wrote:
> if anyone is interested, I did a presentation on web standards last
> week and have put it online:
> http://govis.signify.co.nz

That's great.
Can we post that link to various NGs?

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Re: [WSG] Web standards presentation

[Jan Brasna]

Mike, this is awesome, I love the notes! ;)
Who was the target audience, please?

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[WSG] Web standards presentation

[Mike Brown]

if anyone is interested, I did a presentation on web standards last week 
and have put it online:

http://govis.signify.co.nz

I hate to do the "best viewed in" thing :), but it's best viewed in 
Mozilla/Firefox in fullscreen mode. It uses Eric Meyer's S5 presentation 
thingie.


If you print out, or look in print preview, there's speaking notes for 
each slide.


It takes a slightly different tack to other arguments I've seen for web 
standards and even has a Pulp Fiction theme :)


Mike

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