Re: [WSG] FW: Killersites.com Newsletter - Not another nerd newsletter!
The whole idea that a float *even can* be sematically incorrect is absurd. Floating is simply a style, the way something is positioned and it has no implyed semantic meaning whatsoever. That said, it's an honour to know that were popular enough to warrant trolls ;) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a laugh. I especially love this quote... Since when are using Floats for page-level layout, semantically correct? Floats are designed to float images within the context of a paragraph. Yet many designs that are supposedly Web Standards compliant, use floats to create page divisions. Here is just one very quick source from the W3C that justifies the use of floats for positioning of a box of content... http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/visuren.html#floats and goes on to say what the float property can be applied to... http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/visuren.html#float-position So I guess his claim that floats are designed to float images within the context of a paragraph may need a little more research. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] FW: Killersites.com Newsletter - Not another nerd newsletter!
Ignore it, its a troll john On 26/09/2005, at 7:44 PM, Craig Rippon wrote: Just got this from a Killersites.com, what do you think of the article The Web Standards Lie: How the Web Standards movement has gone too far. ? From: Stefan Mischook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 26 September 2005 7:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Killersites.com Newsletter - Not another nerd newsletter! Welcome to the Killersites.com newsletter. Hello everyone! I've been on a roll lately - I guess I don't have much else to do? :) Before I go on, if you're a beginner (in web design,) you should do my tutorial: http://www.how-to-build-websites.com/ - - For you 'old pros', I've written my most controversial article in a couple of years! This one is going to tick off nerds all over the world! Check it out: The Web Standards Lie: How the Web Standards movement has gone too far. URL: http://www.killersites.com/blog/2005/silly-nerds-the-web- standards-are-for-browsers/ CIAO, Stefan ARTICLE ARCHIVE This is an archive of my past articles and newsletters - there's a lot of stuff for you to learn from. http://www.killersites.com/articles/articlesHome.htm#web_design05 THE FREE WEBSITE MONITOR Tens of thousands of websites go down everyday, that's just the nature of the web. If your website goes down, shouldn't you be the first one to know and not your clients? You can start monitoring your website(s) today - it's free! http://www.killersites.com/siteMonitor/siteMonitor.jsp BEGINNERS TUTORIAL ON WEB DESIGN I created this website for total beginners: http://www.how-to-build-websites.com/ WEB DESIGN FORUMS We have a very active community of people ready to answer questions. http://www.killersites.com/mvnforum/mvnforum/index That's it for now. Thanks, Stefan Mischook -- To Unsubscribe, please click here. John Allsopp style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master support forum :: http://support.westciv.com blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher Web Essentials web development conference http://we05.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] FW: Killersites.com Newsletter - Not another nerd newsletter!
-Original Message- From: Craig Rippon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 26 September 2005 7:44 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] FW: Killersites.com Newsletter - Not another nerd newsletter! Just got this from a Killersites.com, what do you think of the article The Web Standards Lie: How the Web Standards movement has gone too far. http://www.killersites.com/newsletters/lt/t_go.php?i=10e=MTI zNDM=l=http://www.killersites.com/blog/2005/silly-nerds-the- web-standards-are-for-browsers/ ? I agree with him in the point that some people take Web Standards way too far. Just think of the endless discussions on what the semantically correct way is to mark up breadcrumbs. As if the world would find its end if I decided to mark up my breadcrumbs in p's instead of ul's or ol's or dt's... However, the guy who wrote the article doesn't really have a clue what he is talking about. He seems to be trying to attack Web Standards just for the sake of opening his mouth. There is a huge difference between using tables and using floats, but he obviously does not get that. The article he quoted (by Vincent Flanders) makes a much better point: don't believe Web Standards, Usability and tableless CSS is the ultimate way to create a fantastic website. It's tools, nothing more. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] FW: Killersites.com Newsletter - Not another nerd newsletter!
What a laugh. I especially love this quote... "Since when are using Floats for page-level layout, semantically correct? Floats are designed to float images within the context of a paragraph. Yet many designs that are supposedly Web Standards compliant, use floats to create page divisions." Here is just one very quick source from the W3C that justifies the use of floats for positioning of a box of content... http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/visuren.html#floats and goes on to say what the float property can be applied to... http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/visuren.html#float-position So I guess his claim that "floats are designed to float images within the context of a paragraph" may need a little more research. - Original Message - From: Craig Rippon To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: [WSG] FW: Killersites.com Newsletter - Not another nerd newsletter! Just got this from a Killersites.com, what do you think of the article The Web Standards Lie: How the Web Standards movement has gone too far.? From: Stefan Mischook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 26 September 2005 7:37 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Killersites.com Newsletter - Not another nerd newsletter! Welcome to the Killersites.com newsletter. Hello everyone! I've been on a roll lately - I guess I don't have much else to do? :) Before I go on, if you're a beginner (in web design,) you should do my tutorial: http://www.how-to-build-websites.com/ - - For you 'old pros', I've written my most controversialarticle in a couple of years! Thisone is going to tick off nerds all over the world! Check it out: The Web Standards Lie: How the Web Standards movement has gone too far. URL: http://www.killersites.com/blog/2005/silly-nerds-the-web-standards-are-for-browsers/ CIAO, Stefan ARTICLE ARCHIVE This is an archive of my past articles and newsletters- there's a lot of stuff for you to learn from. http://www.killersites.com/articles/articlesHome.htm#web_design05 THE FREE WEBSITE MONITOR Tens of thousands of websites go down everyday, that's just the nature of the web. If your website goes down, shouldn't you be the first one to know and not your clients? You can start monitoring your website(s) today- it's free! http://www.killersites.com/siteMonitor/siteMonitor.jsp BEGINNERS TUTORIAL ON WEB DESIGN I created this website for total beginners: http://www.how-to-build-websites.com/ WEB DESIGN FORUMS We have a very active community of people ready to answer questions. http://www.killersites.com/mvnforum/mvnforum/index That's it for now. Thanks, Stefan Mischook --To Unsubscribe, please click here.
Re: [WSG] FW: Killersites.com Newsletter - Not another nerd newsletter!
I can never believe that people like that still exist. Even when I see it, I find it hard to believe. It isn't even worth contesting it. No point arguing with someone who has already ignored the facts.
Re: Re: [WSG] FW: Killersites.com Newsletter - Not another nerd newsletter!
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