Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these three browsers? From what I've read about them, they are close emulations rather than true representations (that is, IE is applying a set of rendering rules but not firing up genuine IE7/8 instances). Given the convenience factor though, I tend to use the modes for quick testing and only fire up VMs for a final test or if a specific bug has been raised. If not, I'd love to get some suggestions on the LEAST INVASIVE way to test different modern flavors of IE. I'm yet to find any option that's ultimately more reliable than VMs. I don't trust multi-IE solutions ever since I tried one that installed an entirely-unsecure, unpatched IE6 instance that was sandboxed away from all security measures (the results were predictable from that point). On Win7 I use XP Mode with differencing to set up multiple versions. The images don't expire so it's a one-off setup rather than re-downloading Microsoft's test VMs. I've written up my experiences at http://weblog.200ok.com.au/2010/08/browser-testing-with-windows-7-xp-mode.html On Mac I've just tried using https://github.com/xdissent/ievms and other than being a very very long download it worked without incident. I'd suggest installing one version at a time when you won't be disconnecting for a while :) cheers, Ben -- --- http://weblog.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
Hello All - I've been testing a new version of a legacy project against IE 7, 8 and 9 using IE9's Browser Mode Controls. This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these three browsers? If not, I'd love to get some suggestions on the LEAST INVASIVE way to test different modern flavors of IE. Not ideal, but at least convenient - have you tried https://browserlab.adobe.com/ ? You can check a wide range of browsers easily, including IE6/7/8/9 HTH Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Russ Weakley r...@maxdesign.com.au wrote: Hello All - I've been testing a new version of a legacy project against IE 7, 8 and 9 using IE9's Browser Mode Controls. This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these three browsers? If not, I'd love to get some suggestions on the LEAST INVASIVE way to test different modern flavors of IE. Not ideal, but at least convenient - have you tried https://browserlab.adobe.com/ ? You can check a wide range of browsers easily, including IE6/7/8/9 HTH Russ Also see http://www.browsercam.com/ -- Tom Livingston | Senior Interactive Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
Browser Stack should work just fine: http://www.browserstack.com/ http://www.browserstack.com/ Mads Erik Forberg Utvikler Mediehuset Tek - Et datterselskap av A-pressen og Edda Media Tlf: +47 950 26 646 Den 23.09.2011 15:57, skrev Tom Livingston: On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Russ Weakleyr...@maxdesign.com.au wrote: Hello All - I've been testing a new version of a legacy project against IE 7, 8 and 9 using IE9's Browser Mode Controls. This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these three browsers? If not, I'd love to get some suggestions on the LEAST INVASIVE way to test different modern flavors of IE. Not ideal, but at least convenient - have you tried https://browserlab.adobe.com/ ? You can check a wide range of browsers easily, including IE6/7/8/9 HTH Russ Also see http://www.browsercam.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Cole Kuryakin c...@koisis.com wrote: Hello All - I've been testing a new version of a legacy project against IE 7, 8 and 9 using IE9's Browser Mode Controls. This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these three browsers? If not, I'd love to get some suggestions on the LEAST INVASIVE way to test different modern flavors of IE. Use to do the VM routine before my C drive crashed and had to re-do all my software. Now that all my apps are cleanly installed and working perfectly, I'd rather not have to add software that I only use on occasion. Any guidance greatly appreciated. I've been using those browser mode settings in IE for a while, even in a corporate setting. They seem to be fairly accurate. I think that, generally speaking, it is better than using browsershots or browsercam, since those just give screenshots and can't test functionality. I use those for testing things I don't have access to (like Mac-specific or IE6 specific issues...even then, those are only so helpful and only address layout issues, not functionality). -- Janice Schwarz GeekArtist Web Solutions, LLC www.geekartist.com Phone: (214) 731-4733 Twitter: GeekArtist http://twitter.com/geekartist Facebook http://www.facebook.com/GeekArtist *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
There is a tool called IE tester, which might be what you're looking for: http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage That said, we generally use the browser mode settings for testing here (on the development side at least), and don't have any problems. J From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Janice Schwarz Sent: 23 September 2011 15:59 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable? On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Cole Kuryakin c...@koisis.com wrote: Hello All - I've been testing a new version of a legacy project against IE 7, 8 and 9 using IE9's Browser Mode Controls. This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these three browsers? If not, I'd love to get some suggestions on the LEAST INVASIVE way to test different modern flavors of IE. Use to do the VM routine before my C drive crashed and had to re-do all my software. Now that all my apps are cleanly installed and working perfectly, I'd rather not have to add software that I only use on occasion. Any guidance greatly appreciated. I've been using those browser mode settings in IE for a while, even in a corporate setting. They seem to be fairly accurate. I think that, generally speaking, it is better than using browsershots or browsercam, since those just give screenshots and can't test functionality. I use those for testing things I don't have access to (like Mac-specific or IE6 specific issues...even then, those are only so helpful and only address layout issues, not functionality). -- Janice Schwarz GeekArtist Web Solutions, LLC www.geekartist.com http://www.geekartist.com/ Phone: (214) 731-4733 Twitter: GeekArtist http://twitter.com/geekartist Facebook http://www.facebook.com/GeekArtist *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** This message has been scanned by MailController http://portal2.mailcontroller.co.uk/ . This message has been scanned by MailController - portal2.mailcontroller.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
http://www.browserstack.com/ On 23/09/2011 17:25, Josh Rose wrote: There is a tool called IE tester, which might be what you're looking for: http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage That said, we generally use the browser mode settings for testing here (on the development side at least), and don't have any problems. J *From:*li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *Janice Schwarz *Sent:* 23 September 2011 15:59 *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable? On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Cole Kuryakin c...@koisis.com mailto:c...@koisis.com wrote: Hello All - I've been testing a new version of a legacy project against IE 7, 8 and 9 using IE9's Browser Mode Controls. This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these three browsers? If not, I'd love to get some suggestions on the LEAST INVASIVE way to test different modern flavors of IE. Use to do the VM routine before my C drive crashed and had to re-do all my software. Now that all my apps are cleanly installed and working perfectly, I'd rather not have to add software that I only use on occasion. Any guidance greatly appreciated. I've been using those browser mode settings in IE for a while, even in a corporate setting. They seem to be fairly accurate. I think that, generally speaking, it is better than using browsershots or browsercam, since those just give screenshots and can't test functionality. I use those for testing things I don't have access to (like Mac-specific or IE6 specific issues...even then, those are only so helpful and only address layout issues, not functionality). -- Janice Schwarz GeekArtist Web Solutions, LLC www.geekartist.com http://www.geekartist.com/ Phone: (214) 731-4733 Twitter:GeekArtist http://twitter.com/geekartist Facebook http://www.facebook.com/GeekArtist *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org mailto:memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** This message has been scanned by MailController http://portal2.mailcontroller.co.uk/. This message has been scanned by MailController http://portal2.mailcontroller.co.uk/. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
This is my favorite tool: http://utilu.com/IECollection/ Dan Freeman e-Commerce Manager 800.650.6506 (TOLL FREE) 330.655.0341 (DIRECT) http://www.lexi.com/ www.lexi.com lexicomp-email-sig From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Adam Martin Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 1:00 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable? http://www.browserstack.com/ On 23/09/2011 17:25, Josh Rose wrote: There is a tool called IE tester, which might be what you're looking for: http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage That said, we generally use the browser mode settings for testing here (on the development side at least), and don't have any problems. J From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Janice Schwarz Sent: 23 September 2011 15:59 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable? On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Cole Kuryakin c...@koisis.com wrote: Hello All - I've been testing a new version of a legacy project against IE 7, 8 and 9 using IE9's Browser Mode Controls. This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these three browsers? If not, I'd love to get some suggestions on the LEAST INVASIVE way to test different modern flavors of IE. Use to do the VM routine before my C drive crashed and had to re-do all my software. Now that all my apps are cleanly installed and working perfectly, I'd rather not have to add software that I only use on occasion. Any guidance greatly appreciated. I've been using those browser mode settings in IE for a while, even in a corporate setting. They seem to be fairly accurate. I think that, generally speaking, it is better than using browsershots or browsercam, since those just give screenshots and can't test functionality. I use those for testing things I don't have access to (like Mac-specific or IE6 specific issues...even then, those are only so helpful and only address layout issues, not functionality). -- Janice Schwarz GeekArtist Web Solutions, LLC www.geekartist.com http://www.geekartist.com/ Phone: (214) 731-4733 Twitter: GeekArtist http://twitter.com/geekartist Facebook http://www.facebook.com/GeekArtist *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** This message has been scanned by MailController http://portal2.mailcontroller.co.uk/ . This message has been scanned by MailController http://portal2.mailcontroller.co.uk/ . *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** LEXI-COMP CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information in this electronic mail is intended for the named recipients only. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended receiver is prohibited. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this electronic e-mail or by calling 330-650-6506. Please delete it from your computer. Thank you. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***image001.gif
Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Dan Freeman dan.free...@lexi.com wrote: This is my favorite tool: http://utilu.com/IECollection/ OMG @ IE 1.0 (4.40.308)! :D That's pretty cool though. I have always avoided IE multiple installers due to various issues that I can't remember at this moment; it looks like IECollection is pretty solid though. I personally like using the official MS approach: Install VPC and download all IE versions here: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=11575 What I hate about the VPC images is that they expire and they are large to download! On the other hand, I like that they are clean installs in an encapsulated environment. Anyway, thanks for link! Micky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
On 9/23/11 7:58 AM, Janice Schwarz wrote: On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Cole Kuryakinc...@koisis.com wrote: [...] This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these three browsers? [...] I've been using those browser mode settings in IE for a while, even in a corporate setting. They seem to be fairly accurate. I think that, generally speaking, it is better than using browsershots or browsercam, since those just give screenshots and can't test functionality. I use those for testing things I don't have access to (like Mac-specific or IE6 specific issues...even then, those are only so helpful and only address layout issues, not functionality). Janice's points are valid. FWIW I have come across several bugs in IE 7 when page zoom is applied. Not only won't you see this from a screen shot, but IE 8 in compatibility mode does not exhibit most of the problems I came across. Not tried IE 9's modes, though. As well as native browsers running in Windows installs under VMWare Fusion on my Mac, I also use IETester in Windows 7. So far I have found it accurate - and more convenient than firing up several VMs. http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage HTH. -- Cordially, David *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
Hello All - Thanks for everone throwing in with their suggestions - after looking at each I've decided upon IETester which seems to work pretty well as it mirrors the results I'm seeing in IE9's Browser Mode command. This app also confirms that I've dealt with all of my IE8 issues - while also confirming that the few maddening IE7 issues that I've pounded my head upon for almost a full day are still in play. Will be requesting guidance on these few remaining IE7 issues shortly. Thanks again for the lead on IE Tester! Cole -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of David Hucklesby Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 2:14 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable? On 9/23/11 7:58 AM, Janice Schwarz wrote: On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Cole Kuryakinc...@koisis.com wrote: [...] This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these three browsers? [...] I've been using those browser mode settings in IE for a while, even in a corporate setting. They seem to be fairly accurate. I think that, generally speaking, it is better than using browsershots or browsercam, since those just give screenshots and can't test functionality. I use those for testing things I don't have access to (like Mac-specific or IE6 specific issues...even then, those are only so helpful and only address layout issues, not functionality). Janice's points are valid. FWIW I have come across several bugs in IE 7 when page zoom is applied. Not only won't you see this from a screen shot, but IE 8 in compatibility mode does not exhibit most of the problems I came across. Not tried IE 9's modes, though. As well as native browsers running in Windows installs under VMWare Fusion on my Mac, I also use IETester in Windows 7. So far I have found it accurate - and more convenient than firing up several VMs. http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage HTH. -- Cordially, David *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
