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2007-03-02 Thread Lea de Groot
Handled!
(and look! I didn't curse even once! ;))

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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2006-03-12 Thread Lachlan Hunt

Lea de Groot wrote:

sime wrote:
However, I'm told that my code is therefore not XHTML compliant 
because of my use of uppercase. So who then is HTML4 relevant to?


I don't really understand the question.
As written, the css shown will work under HTML dtds (and XHTML 
transitional? I'm not sure as I never use it) but not XHTML strict DTDs.


No, it will not work under XHTML at all.  The DOCTYPE is irrelevant, 
XHTML is case sensitive and uppercase element selectors will not match 
anything in XHTML.  It will only work for text/html.


To make it work correctly for XHTML strict, you should change each tag 
name to lowercase.

Its a trivial change.


There's little point for authors to use that stylesheet, it is intended 
as a guide for browser implementors and was supposedly based on the 
default styles applied by browsers at the time.  (Although there are 
still many differences between that stylesheet and real world browsers)


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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2006-03-12 Thread Lea de Groot

sime wrote:
I used the following as the foundation of my current approach to style 
sheets.

http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/sample.html


If I am understanding it correctly, thats not meant for page 
developers/designers to base from, its meant for browser developers to 
start from.
You can expect that the default styles supplied by each browser will be 
something like these.
For a web developer to start with something like this would put an 
un-necessary large download on each page. (Yes, yes, I know - caching - 
but its still redundant)


However, I'm told that my code is therefore not XHTML compliant because 
of my use of uppercase. So who then is HTML4 relevant to?


I don't really understand the question.
As written, the css shown will work under HTML dtds (and XHTML 
transitional? I'm not sure as I never use it) but not XHTML strict DTDs.
To make it work correctly for XHTML strict, you should change each tag 
name to lowercase.

Its a trivial change.

HIH!
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Re: [WSG] RE: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2006-02-28 Thread Patrick H. Lauke

Paul Novitski wrote:

Wouldn't activating the link in a screen-reader simply move the cursor 
(reading point) from the link to the beginning of the page?


It's been a while since I've sat down with a screen reader, but from my 
limited experience with JAWS the link would be announced as a "same page 
link" (or similar) and activating it would indeed move the 
cursor/caret/focus to the top, as expected.


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Re: [WSG] RE: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2006-02-28 Thread Paul Novitski

At 03:34 PM 2/28/2006, Hill, Tim wrote:

>  Back to Top

Is there an issue with using this for screenreaders?
Wouldn't they activate this link and nothing would happen?
Does this work effectively across browsers to scroll the page to the top
though? I've found it works on firefox, ie, opera on PC (winXP).



Wouldn't activating the link in a screen-reader simply move the 
cursor (reading point) from the link to the beginning of the page?


Curiously,
Paul 


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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2005-12-21 Thread Drew Trusz
On 12/21/05, Barrie North <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
















Hey Drew,

 

Well, I tried min-width 300px and then removed
the min-width completely and it still didn't work :/

 

Barrie


 






  

  

Only way I was able to eliminate the scroll is to make the headerimg a
background image (as someone previously suggested). The image has a
width so when it is used in the foreground that width becomes the
minimum width the page can be reduced to.  A page will only shrink
to the size of the smallest irreducible element -- the headerimg in
this case.

You can see how this works by taking out the wrapper width and then
seeing where the scroll starts. If your eyes and sense of proportion
are better than mine, you can see  this even with the wrapper
width left in place.




Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2005-12-21 Thread Drew Trusz
On 12/21/05, Barrie North <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
















Hey Drew,

 

Well, I tried min-width 300px and then removed
the min-width completely and it still didn't work :/

 

Barrie


 






That's what I  get for not trying the solution before  profoundly pronouncing it. 

This one is better. If I remove the absolute positioning of the
#headerbanner the headerimg clips.  I didn't take all the images
just the headerimg. There is still a scroll bar but the img clips.
Haven't played with min-max or other absolutes to see if that affects
the scroll.

drew
 


RE: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2005-12-21 Thread Barrie North








Hey Drew,

 

Well, I tried min-width 300px and then removed
the min-width completely and it still didn’t work :/

 

Barrie

 









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Barrie North wrote: 



Hi
all,

 

I
have a fluid layout and for the life of me can't get the image to be
"cropped" as the screen adjusts.

 

Here
is the link:

 

http://www.compassdesigns.net/joomlashack/


 

If
you resize the window the image will stay on top. I have played with z-index,
overflow:hidden. I can't for the life of me get this to work.

 

Anyone
fancy jumping in and pointing out the obvious thing I am missing J  ?


 

Barrie North








You've set the wrapper at min-width of 760px. The containing box for the image 
won't be in overflow condition at lesser widths. 

drew



 



 








Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2005-10-19 Thread Head Chief ,CEO - Poseidon Design Studio
2005/10/19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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> Original message sent on the Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:29:49 1000 by 
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> In evidence piece of your code containig images element definition
>
> 
>height="112">
>height="112">
> 
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> 
>height="116">
>height="116">
> 
>
> Right, IMHO in this case you don't need 2 division so what happen if you 
> close all the four images in the same division ?
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hmm I'm not sure what are you talking about?!
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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2005-10-16 Thread Peter Ottery
>> On 10/15/05, Stefan wrote:
>  How can I make the Table fill the full width of the column in FireFox and
> IE 6?

same thing happened to me with that type of layout.
I added the following rules to the tables and it sorted it for me:

table {width:100%;float:left}

cheers,
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RE: [WSG] RE: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2005-09-23 Thread Peter Firminger
Read below!

Please DO NOT send these to the list. You were smart enough to subscribe,
take some responsibility and unsubscribe yourself. We're kinda busy here
right now.

Peter

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Accesskeys (Was RE: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org)

2005-08-14 Thread John Foliot - WATS.ca
Josh Rose wrote:
> 
> What I'm trying to do is have the accesskey underlined, it works fine
> in Firefox and Opera (wayhey), but in IE 6 the a:first-letter works
> fine, but a:hover doesn't at all (it does without a:first-letter
> though) and in Netscape 7 the a:first-letter doesn't work at all
> (just netscapes css support?) but a:hover does.  Phew.
> 
> The CSS is probably a bit bulky, but go easy on me, I'm newish to
> this. 
> 
> Any ideas?  If at all possible I'd like to avoid CSS hacks.
> 
> Thanks,
> Josh.

En Francais eh?  Bienvenue!

Josh,

Accesskeys?  May I suggest you review the following?

Using Accesskeys - Is it worth it?: 
http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeys/19

More reasons why we don't use accesskeys: 
http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeyconflicts/37

Accesskeys and Reserved Keystroke Combinations: 
http://www.wats.ca/resources/accesskeysandkeystrokes/38  

Link Relationships as an Alternative to Accesskeys: 
http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeyalternatives/52

The Future of Accesskeys: 
http://www.wats.ca/articles/thefutureofaccesskeys/66 

Perhaps after reviewing these, you may consider eliminating them
entirely, making your quest a moot point.

Cheers!

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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2005-07-20 Thread Peter Ottery
>> Hope that made sense,
nup. youre definately going to have to show us an example. if you havent got a live example to show, make a really simple example by stripping out everything else and just include some html & css within your post. help us to help you! :)

 
 
On 7/21/05, Josh Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello,
 
Does anyone know how to get rid of whitespace at the bottom of the page when using relative positioning on a page that has more than 1 column?
 
Hope that made sense,
 
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RE: [WSG] RE: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2004-11-12 Thread Patrick Lauke
Title: Message



Hmm...wonderful non-sequitur...
 
Oh...I 
like bread by the way.
 
Patrick

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  I 
  have
   
  Adobe Creative Suite
  Dreamweaver
  Homesite
  Flash
   
  

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Hi peoples
 
I'm desperate for screenshots or error-reports from browsers other 
than Explorer 6, 5.5, 5, 4, 
Opera and Mozilla..
 
The site: http://www.korsbjerggaard.dk/ny/
 
Do you have Explorer 5 for MAC, AOL, 
Konqueror, Safari, or some other browser (maybe a really 
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Can you help?
I hope..
 
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Re: [WSG] RE: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2004-10-18 Thread Indranil Dasgupta
Hi,
just do this. Send an email from your subscribed account to 
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take me off your list. Thank you.
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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2004-05-23 Thread Kay Smoljak
> On 23/05/2004, at 11:37 PM, noa wrote:
> Does 'CSS-Discuss' consider validation a theoretical issue?

While I dislike all this "meta" discussion - in my opinion, if you don't like
the format of the list, there are plenty of other resources available in
alternative formats, so you'd be better investigating the other options than
clogging the list with off-topic meta discussion - I have to chime in here.
css-discuss is a great list, but it is insanely high volume and if you think
this list is strict, wait til you see the responses to off-topic posts there. 

Thanks Russ and Peter, this is a great resource, and I'm going to shut up now.
 
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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2004-05-23 Thread Justin French
On 23/05/2004, at 11:37 PM, noa wrote:
Does 'CSS-Discuss' consider validation a theoretical issue?
I'm not sure what you're asking.  The netizens of CSS-D, just like any 
other technical mailing list, can only really help you if you help 
yourself.  Yes, they can provide both practical and theoretical 
solutions to real-world CSS problems, but in order form them to 
efficiently help you, your XHTML and CSS would have to be valid.

Otherwise, they could spend all day debugging a CSS problem which was 
actually sparked by invalid mark-up or neighbouring CSS.

It has it's fair share of holy wars and preachers of course, just like 
any list.

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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2004-05-23 Thread noa
Does 'CSS-Discuss' consider validation a theoretical issue?
Justin French wrote:
On 23/05/2004, at 10:23 PM, Michael J. Hußmann wrote:
Personally, I have no particular
interest in discussing theoretical issues regarding web standards; if
someone can steer me to a list better suited to dealing with the more
practical issues of using CSS, I would be grateful.

see http://www.CSS-Discuss.org
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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2004-05-23 Thread Justin French
On 23/05/2004, at 10:23 PM, Michael J. Hußmann wrote:
Personally, I have no particular
interest in discussing theoretical issues regarding web standards; if
someone can steer me to a list better suited to dealing with the more
practical issues of using CSS, I would be grateful.
see http://www.CSS-Discuss.org
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RE: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2004-05-23 Thread Michael J. Hußmann
Andrew Krespanis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> Personally, I joined this list in the hope of reading and participating in
> more theoretical discussion. It's not that I don't want to help people, i
> do, but I already do enough of that at codingforums.com...

While I can perfectly understand this, there are also those unlucky souls
such as me who were forced (so to speak) to subscribe to WSG because
Westciv's CSS-Foundations list is closing down. Westciv was strongly
encouraging us to move over to WSG. Personally, I have no particular
interest in discussing theoretical issues regarding web standards; if
someone can steer me to a list better suited to dealing with the more
practical issues of using CSS, I would be grateful.

- Michael


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RE: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2004-05-23 Thread Andrew Krespanis
Brian Grimmer posted --
>Personally, though I prefer the idea of a forum, the biggest issue I 
have
>with an e-mail list is the twits that do not know how to set up an
>auto-responder properly.
I also prefer the idea of a forum instead of such a high volume list. I 
don't have time to check this list daily, and because of this often find 
that I've received 170+ emails from this list  in a matter of a couple of 
days. Quite often the majority of that is people asking for help, which is 
fine, in fact it's great that ppl want to extend their knowledge, but it 
creates a massive amount of posts and replies that the majority *probably* 
aren't interested in. Moving the list to a forum would allow members who are 
only interested in the more theoretical discussions and discussions about 
furthering the cause of web standards to view only that part of the forum 
and not have to wade through pages of "Does this work?" posts.
Personally, I joined this list in the hope of reading and participating in 
more theoretical discussion. It's not that I don't want to help people, i 
do, but I already do enough of that at codingforums.com...
Peter, Russ, please don't take this as another whinge, it is merely a little 
bit of observation thrown in with a hell of a lot of opinion.

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RE: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2004-05-22 Thread theGrafixGuy
Personally, though I prefer the idea of a forum, the biggest issue I have
with an e-mail list is the twits that do not know how to set up an
auto-responder properly.

If ANYTHING is a waste of bandwidth, that is. I am sure the list could care
a less if your off for a few days tinkering for whatever reason in your
personal closet.

It is this same issue that is seriously making me reconsider the groups
value overall.
 
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  I'm opposed to forking the list.

> I second j.neen's suggestion for a tread-based forum.

This list is threaded..
http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org/

That is how my mail reader displays it it too. Maybe you could try mail 
software which threads.

> Also, I prefer an RSS feed of the thread as my way to review.

The RSS format is not threaded its flat?

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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2004-05-22 Thread Chris Bentley
 I'm opposed to forking the list.
I second j.neen's suggestion for a tread-based forum.
This list is threaded..
http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org/
That is how my mail reader displays it it too. Maybe you could try mail 
software which threads.

Also, I prefer an RSS feed of the thread as my way to review.
The RSS format is not threaded its flat?
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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2004-05-20 Thread Justin French
On 21/05/2004, at 12:36 PM, jneen wrote:
my five cents worth
I would prefer to see a more typical thread based web forum where I 
just sign in and can read at my leisure. Any posts made by me should 
list my login name and I think that only member's should be able to 
post. I also find the number of emails I am getting harder to digest 
and would prefer a thread based approach so that I can see all replies 
on a given topic in one hit.
Get a better email client -- threading of emails based on the subject 
and other headers has been possible in email programs as far back as my 
very first email in about '96 or '97 I guess.

Seriously, threading in email is pretty standard stuff.
1. Set up a new folder / mail box for all the WSG email.
2. Set-up a filter/rule to make sure all email with the subject [WSG] 
get pushed into your new folder
3. When viewing the WSG folder, make sure you're viewing the emails in 
a threaded view.

If your email program doesn't support threading, get one that does! 
Judging by your headers, you're using Thunderbird, so all should okay 
there.

Want to be even more productive?
4. Flag the threads you're interested in so it's easy for you to scan 
for topics of interest.
5. Set up your mail client to only show threads with new messages, so 
that the WSG folder is a lot less cluttered.

Now you have a system which is FAR more productive than a clunky forum 
could ever be.  You can download all messages for viewing offline (on 
the train in the morning?), you can do a full text search via your mail 
client (again, offline), you can have instant and reliable private 
messages, and you can keep track of all your post all via a very fast 
email client, rather than a slow web based forum.

If you want a forum, then why did you join a mailing list?  There are 
plenty of such forums already in existence on the web -- we certainly 
don't need another one here.

Email is fast, clean, free from bloat, and allows me to quickly keep on 
eye on the mailing list whilst working -- a lot harder to do with a 
web-based forum.

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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2004-05-20 Thread jneen

my five cents worth
I would prefer to see a more typical thread based web forum where I just sign in and 
can read at my leisure. Any posts made by me should list my login name and I think 
that only member's should be able to post. I also find the number of emails I am 
getting harder to digest and would prefer a thread based approach so that I can see 
all replies on a given topic in one hit.
cheers
neen
- Original Message -
From: Chris Rizzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:50 pm
Subject: [WSG] Re: digest for [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Hi Guys,
> 
> I've noticed that this list has grown and grown and has gotten too 
> big to be read on a daily basis. I was wondering if there's any 
> consideration of maybe splitting the listing into a handful of 
> different topics and then allowing members to subscribe to one or 
> more specific topics. So if my interest right now is CSS I could 
> subscribe to that topic.
> 
> Related, I've heard that the CSS-foundations list will be joining 
> this one. These daily emails can only get bigger.
> 
> Just some thoughts,
> Thanks for all the great comments help and community,
> Chris Rizzo
  

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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2004-05-20 Thread Mordechai Peller
Webmaster wrote:
I did not want my membership revoked, I just can't weed through 100+ emails
every day.
This list is busy, but not that busy. The key is threading. I've been on 
this list for almost a month now, and in that month I've received 
roughly 40 new email and less than 10 new threads. So unless you see 
something which interests you, that's not that much mail to check. If 
you find something of value, then it was worth it. If you NEVER find 
anything, then you should leave because your wasting your bandwidth.
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RE: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2004-05-20 Thread Webmaster
I agree. I actually tried to unsubscribe from the list so I could just view
the list archive at my leisure. But if you unsubscribe the page reads:
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|_|  Yes. Remove me from the mailing list and delete my membership.

I did not want my membership revoked, I just can't weed through 100+ emails
every day. Also, you can't see the list archive unless you are on the list.

Maybe have 3 or 4 lists with a focus such as XHTML, CSS, general, etc... Or
a way to be a member without being on the list would be great as well.

Terry

> -Original Message-
> 
> Hi Guys,
>  
> I've noticed that this list has grown and grown and has gotten too big to
> be read on a daily basis. I was wondering if there's any consideration of
> maybe splitting the listing into a handful of different topics and then
> allowing members to subscribe to one or more specific topics. So if my
> interest right now is CSS I could subscribe to that topic.
>  
> Related, I've heard that the CSS-foundations list will be joining this
> one. These daily emails can only get bigger.
>  
> Just some thoughts,
> Thanks for all the great comments help and community,
> Chris Rizzo
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