Re: [WSG] empty named anchors

[Susanne Jäger]

Ben Curtis wrote, On 20.01.2005 23:58:

> Or drop the anchor tag altogether. What is the browser compatibility of 
> this:
> 
>   Go to Some ID
> ...
>   Some ID
> 
> 
> My initial tests show great support. Anyone know better?

I've been told, that some Screen-Readers don't support jumping to
elements with id only. Since inner site links are especially useful for
SR-Users, it seems like a good idea to keep the name-attribute.

Susanne



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Re: [WSG] empty named anchors

[Patrick H. Lauke]

Ben Curtis wrote:
 > Or drop the anchor tag altogether. What is the browser compatibility of
this:
Go to Some ID
...
Some ID
My initial tests show great support. Anyone know better?
Generation 4 and below browsers don't play ball with it, and IE (even 6) 
has some problems with it occasionally (see the section "User agent 
issue - the IE bug" on http://www.jimthatcher.com/skipnav.htm) ... so it 
depends on your audience whether you drop the anchors.
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Re: [WSG] empty named anchors

[Ben Curtis]

Some heading
Or drop the anchor tag altogether. What is the browser compatibility of 
this:

Go to Some ID
...
Some ID
My initial tests show great support. Anyone know better?
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Re: [WSG] empty named anchors

[Jeroen Visser [ vizi ]]

David R wrote:
Andy Kirkwood | MOTIVE wrote:
I have come across a couple of instances of this where headings have 
been enclosed in an anchor, i.e.

   Heading text
This causes the text colour of the heading to change when moused-over 
(although not a link). From an interface perspective this can be quite 
confusing. (A feedback cue that suggests interaction is possible when it 
is not).
This is why a:link:hover and a:visited:hover are preferable over simple 
a:link

:)
Maybe I've missed some standards or accessibility point, but I'm 
accustomed to coding as follows:

Some heading
Jumping works like a charm, and no hyperlink behaviour other than that 
ever shows up. Afaik, there are no problems with this method whatsoever, 
plus you don't rely on CSS to prevent a particular GUI behaviour.

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Re: [WSG] empty named anchors

[David R]

Andy Kirkwood | MOTIVE wrote:
I have come across a couple of instances of this where headings have 
been enclosed in an anchor, i.e.

Heading text
This causes the text colour of the heading to change when moused-over 
(although not a link). From an interface perspective this can be quite 
confusing. (A feedback cue that suggests interaction is possible when it 
is not).
This is why a:link:hover and a:visited:hover are preferable over simple 
a:link

:)
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Re: [WSG] empty named anchors

[Andy Kirkwood | MOTIVE]

Title: Re: [WSG] empty named anchors


One reason why you might not want to have content inside of an
anchor would be because of the implementation of stylesheets (or more
accurately how style rules have been specified).

For example if a hover rule is written for to the 
element it will be applied to content enclosed in the anchor tag (as
well as linked text).

a:hover {color: #900;}

I have come across a couple of instances of this where headings
have been enclosed in an anchor, i.e.

Heading
text

This causes the text colour of the heading to change when
moused-over (although not a link). From an interface perspective this
can be quite confusing. (A feedback cue that suggests interaction is
possible when it is not).

Cheers

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Re: [WSG] empty named anchors

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Focas, Grant wrote:
Empty link elements are not good (as Patrick pointed out)but what 
about named anchors (destination anchors)? Is there any reason why 
they should not be empty?
I'm typically using anchors like this one:
, and can't see the need to "fill" them.
As Kornel pointed out; 'name=' is obsolete, but some older browsers are
still in need of "name', and the validator won't object. It is up to us,
I guess.
As a sidenote: IE6 may have problems "finding" anchors in a page -
depending on how/where it is placed. No other browsers that I know of
have such problems.
regards
Georg
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Re: [WSG] empty named anchors

[Kornel Lesinski]

Empty link elements are not good (as Patrick pointed out)but what about  
named anchors (destination anchors)?
They are obsolete. Refer to any id instead.
Is there any reason why they should not be empty?
I wouldn't be surprised if it was because of a bug in Netscape4.
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Re: [WSG] empty named anchors

[JohnyB]

Can anyone clarify?
Me not :) However I'd use construction like
...
Table of contents
...
and you're done.
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