Re: [wsjt-devel] A non-technical reason to remove/relocate the audio slider
Your right Bill, wasn't thinking straight, another senior moment. 73 DE VK2RT Bruce Sent from my SAMSUNG Galaxy S7 edge on the Telstra Mobile Network Original message From: Bill Somerville Date: 20/7/17 8:20 pm (GMT+10:00) To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] A non-technical reason to remove/relocate the audio slider On 20/07/2017 02:50, Bruce wrote: > It would be more convienent if that slider actually did adjust the > audio level. Hi Bruce, how would you propose that a slider adjust the audio level? 73 Bill G4WJS. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] A non-technical reason to remove/relocate the audio slider
On 20/07/2017 02:50, Bruce wrote: It would be more convienent if that slider actually did adjust the audio level. Hi Bruce, how would you propose that a slider adjust the audio level? 73 Bill G4WJS. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] A non-technical reason to remove/relocate the audio slider
Why, if there are level settings for both graphical displays on the graphical display dialog would a level setting on the main WSJT-X dialog be necessary? It would be more convienent if that slider actually did adjust the audio level. 73 DE VK2RT Bruce Sent from my SAMSUNG Galaxy S7 edge on the Telstra Mobile Network Original message From: Gary McDuffie Date: 20/7/17 7:37 am (GMT+10:00) To: Black Michael , WSJT software development Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] A non-technical reason to remove/relocate the audio slider > On Jul 19, 2017, at 2:54 PM, Black Michael via wsjt-devel > wrote: > > Hmmm...some feedback from those that still want it on the main screen would > be nice. On the menu for me, Mike. Gary - AG0N -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] A non-technical reason to remove/relocate the audio slider
> On Jul 19, 2017, at 2:54 PM, Black Michael via wsjt-devel > wrote: > > Hmmm...some feedback from those that still want it on the main screen would > be nice. On the menu for me, Mike. Gary - AG0N -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] A non-technical reason to remove/relocate the audio slider
Enough, already, about the audio level slider!! Those who read the manual knew what it was for. It confused many others, and it was responsible for a large number of emails to two reflectors and direct to me. Its function was mildly useful, but redundant. It will soon be history. -- Joe, K1JT -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] A non-technical reason to remove/relocate the audio slider
There is no free space created by removing the slider. The CAT widget is still there. Though maybe we could do a color code on the freq display to show if it's working (e.g. red text if it's not since red background means OOB right now). Seems like a lot of angst for a control that doesn't do much and will be used by a relatively small crowd. But before moving any further need to cross the hurdle with Joe and Bill about whether to keep it at all. There seems to be a resistance to "options" but I'm a big fan of giving operators easy-to-use controls for the way they operate and several have expressed a desire for easy graph level control from the main window. Qt's layout facility is a PITAI wish it was just drag'n'drop. I don't work with it enough so have to muddle through how to even move a widget...break layout...move...recreate layout...but layout doesn't work anymorearrghhh... de Mike W9MDB From: "Laurie, VK3AMA" <_vk3a...@vkdxer.net> To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] A non-technical reason to remove/relocate the audio slider On 20/07/2017 6:30 AM, Black Michael via wsjt-devel wrote: I agree the placement is misleading...but there really isn't a better place to put it without some judicious rearranging. Would need to figure out what to do with the CAT indicator for example. Or maybe sticking it under the Date/Time might work. Just not a lot of room to work with. de Mike W9MDB What about relocating it horizontally right (to the left of the TX messages Tab control). The DX Call and associated controls could relocate to the left filling the now free space left by the slider, and the free space they create to their right could be taken up by the slider. de Laurie VK3AMA -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] A non-technical reason to remove/relocate the audio slider
Michael, It doesn't have to remain a gigantic slider - it could be a simple dB spinbox like the other controls on the graph window. That would actually free up space on the main window where all the real fun happens. -- David Tiller Sr. Architect/Lead Consultant | CapTech (804) 304-0638 | dtil...@captechconsulting.com<mailto:dtil...@captechconsulting.com> On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Black Michael via wsjt-devel mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>> wrote: I agree the placement is misleading...but there really isn't a better place to put it without some judicious rearranging. Would need to figure out what to do with the CAT indicator for example. Or maybe sticking it under the Date/Time might work. Just not a lot of room to work with. de Mike W9MDB From: "Laurie, VK3AMA" <_vk3a...@vkdxer.net<mailto:vk3a...@vkdxer.net>> To: WSJT software development mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:22 PM Subject: [wsjt-devel] A non-technical reason to remove/relocate the audio slider Having the slider immediately adjacent to the level indicator, regardless of its true function, implies to an uneducated user (hasn't read the manual or understood group postings) that the two are associated. It is how most GUIs are presented. A problem I see all too often, is some users experiencing difficulties or think there is a defect with their software will post their questions/findings to non-related Internet forums, QRZ and eHam are the big ones, looking for answers and support. They don't post to the correct support group/forum. I see this often with WSJT-X, JTAlert and JTDX. The usual result is an incorrect or incomplete answer from a user based on their experience or the perception of how the software works, often wrong. It is not uncommon to see a long running thread of exchanges between users exchanging (and reinforcing) the misinformation. Unless someone comes along and corrects the record, this misinformation tends to be propagated through Internet searches and word-of-mouth. None of us like our software being incorrectly maligned due to misinformation. IMHO, leaving the slider adjacent to the level meter will lead to an ongoing public perception among some users that the software is broken. Especially after a General Release (look at the numerous threads posted since the 1.8.0-rc1 was posted, people don't read or research old messages). New users encountering these uncorrected public defect reports via an Internet search will likely perceive there is a problem with the software. That's my 2cents. de Laurie VK3AMA -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org<http://Slashdot.org>! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org<http://Slashdot.org>! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net<mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] A non-technical reason to remove/relocate the audio slider
On 20/07/2017 6:30 AM, Black Michael via wsjt-devel wrote: I agree the placement is misleading...but there really isn't a better place to put it without some judicious rearranging. Would need to figure out what to do with the CAT indicator for example. Or maybe sticking it under the Date/Time might work. Just not a lot of room to work with. de Mike W9MDB What about relocating it horizontally right (to the left of the TX messages Tab control). The DX Call and associated controls could relocate to the left filling the now free space left by the slider, and the free space they create to their right could be taken up by the slider. de Laurie VK3AMA -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] A non-technical reason to remove/relocate the audio slider
Hmmm...some feedback from those that still want it on the main screen would be nice. de Mike W9MDB From: David Tiller To: Black Michael ; WSJT software development Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] A non-technical reason to remove/relocate the audio slider Michael, It doesn't have to remain a gigantic slider - it could be a simple dB spinbox like the other controls on the graph window. That would actually free up space on the main window where all the real fun happens. --David TillerSr. Architect/Lead Consultant | CapTech(804) 304-0638 | dtil...@captechconsulting.com On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Black Michael via wsjt-devel wrote: I agree the placement is misleading...but there really isn't a better place to put it without some judicious rearranging.Would need to figure out what to do with the CAT indicator for example.Or maybe sticking it under the Date/Time might work.Just not a lot of room to work with. de Mike W9MDB From: "Laurie, VK3AMA" <_vk3a...@vkdxer.net> To: WSJT software development Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:22 PM Subject: [wsjt-devel] A non-technical reason to remove/relocate the audio slider Having the slider immediately adjacent to the level indicator, regardless of its true function, implies to an uneducated user (hasn't read the manual or understood group postings) that the two are associated. It is how most GUIs are presented. A problem I see all too often, is some users experiencing difficulties or think there is a defect with their software will post their questions/findings to non-related Internet forums, QRZ and eHam are the big ones, looking for answers and support. They don't post to the correct support group/forum. I see this often with WSJT-X, JTAlert and JTDX. The usual result is an incorrect or incomplete answer from a user based on their experience or the perception of how the software works, often wrong. It is not uncommon to see a long running thread of exchanges between users exchanging (and reinforcing) the misinformation. Unless someone comes along and corrects the record, this misinformation tends to be propagated through Internet searches and word-of-mouth. None of us like our software being incorrectly maligned due to misinformation. IMHO, leaving the slider adjacent to the level meter will lead to an ongoing public perception among some users that the software is broken. Especially after a General Release (look at the numerous threads posted since the 1.8.0-rc1 was posted, people don't read or research old messages). New users encountering these uncorrected public defect reports via an Internet search will likely perceive there is a problem with the software. That's my 2cents. de Laurie VK3AMA -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org!http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] A non-technical reason to remove/relocate the audio slider
I agree the placement is misleading...but there really isn't a better place to put it without some judicious rearranging.Would need to figure out what to do with the CAT indicator for example.Or maybe sticking it under the Date/Time might work.Just not a lot of room to work with. de Mike W9MDB From: "Laurie, VK3AMA" <_vk3a...@vkdxer.net> To: WSJT software development Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:22 PM Subject: [wsjt-devel] A non-technical reason to remove/relocate the audio slider Having the slider immediately adjacent to the level indicator, regardless of its true function, implies to an uneducated user (hasn't read the manual or understood group postings) that the two are associated. It is how most GUIs are presented. A problem I see all too often, is some users experiencing difficulties or think there is a defect with their software will post their questions/findings to non-related Internet forums, QRZ and eHam are the big ones, looking for answers and support. They don't post to the correct support group/forum. I see this often with WSJT-X, JTAlert and JTDX. The usual result is an incorrect or incomplete answer from a user based on their experience or the perception of how the software works, often wrong. It is not uncommon to see a long running thread of exchanges between users exchanging (and reinforcing) the misinformation. Unless someone comes along and corrects the record, this misinformation tends to be propagated through Internet searches and word-of-mouth. None of us like our software being incorrectly maligned due to misinformation. IMHO, leaving the slider adjacent to the level meter will lead to an ongoing public perception among some users that the software is broken. Especially after a General Release (look at the numerous threads posted since the 1.8.0-rc1 was posted, people don't read or research old messages). New users encountering these uncorrected public defect reports via an Internet search will likely perceive there is a problem with the software. That's my 2cents. de Laurie VK3AMA -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
[wsjt-devel] A non-technical reason to remove/relocate the audio slider
Having the slider immediately adjacent to the level indicator, regardless of its true function, implies to an uneducated user (hasn't read the manual or understood group postings) that the two are associated. It is how most GUIs are presented. A problem I see all too often, is some users experiencing difficulties or think there is a defect with their software will post their questions/findings to non-related Internet forums, QRZ and eHam are the big ones, looking for answers and support. They don't post to the correct support group/forum. I see this often with WSJT-X, JTAlert and JTDX. The usual result is an incorrect or incomplete answer from a user based on their experience or the perception of how the software works, often wrong. It is not uncommon to see a long running thread of exchanges between users exchanging (and reinforcing) the misinformation. Unless someone comes along and corrects the record, this misinformation tends to be propagated through Internet searches and word-of-mouth. None of us like our software being incorrectly maligned due to misinformation. IMHO, leaving the slider adjacent to the level meter will lead to an ongoing public perception among some users that the software is broken. Especially after a General Release (look at the numerous threads posted since the 1.8.0-rc1 was posted, people don't read or research old messages). New users encountering these uncorrected public defect reports via an Internet search will likely perceive there is a problem with the software. That's my 2cents. de Laurie VK3AMA -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
