Re: [wsjt-devel] Automatization QSO
It's already been done many different ways. Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 6/14/2018 1:14 AM, DM2CYN wrote: Michele, interesting topic! Go on and let us know your results! Vy 73 Leo Am 13.06.2018 um 23:05 schrieb Michele via wsjt-devel: Hello, I'm an OM from Italy. Can I develop a software that allows make QSO automatically? 73 -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Automatization QSO
Seems to me that the original post was that of an internet troll. Probably best to move on. 73 Conrad PA5Y On 2018-06-14 09:55, Jim Brown wrote: I must say that I'm getting awfully tired of the bashing of a fine operating mode that requires a lot more operator sophistication than those who have never used it assume. I'm a pretty good CW op (starting in 1955), but I also concentrate on station building, understanding propagation, and the other aspects that contribute to a successful QSO. Ragchewing bores me to tears. There are good reasons for the degree of automation that WSJT-X provides for modes with short turnaround times. But a successful QSO includes knowing where to point the antenna, when to be working what distant QTH, knowing when propagation can make it possible, picking an operating frequency within the waterfall. My computer didn't make the QSO -- me, my radio, and my antennas made the QSO! I mostly use WSJT modes for QSOs I can't make another way -- mostly 6M and 160M, mostly E-skip, meteor scatter, and some tropo. About two months ago, I managed a QSO with 5A1AL in Libya running barefoot with a compromise antenna; my neighbor W6GJB and I had been chasing him for three years. Libya is TOUGH from the west coast of the US. I think we worked him on 17M or 20M. I chase grids on 6M (only), and have found both JT65 and FT8 a huge help. There are thousands of SSB ops living in rare grids who never learned CW, but they can run FT8 and give me a QSO with 20 dB better noise immunity than SSB! And there's another HUGE issue -- most of us are surrounded by homes, each of which, including our own, are filled with noise sources that cover all but the strongest signals. K1JT's modes have given hams with these limitations a chance to do ham radio. I'm a genuine old fart, first licensed in 1955. I try to learn something new every day, and in the spirit of ham radio, try to share what I've learned with others. I suggest that the bashers adopt these objectives. 73, Jim K9YC On 6/14/2018 12:53 AM, Tom M0LTE wrote: > There would be no challenge for you as an OPERATOR! There’s no real challenge in double clicking callsigns. > Robot FT8 is not Ham Radio Arguably, from the operator’s perspective, experimentation in software is more in the spirit of ham radio than double clicking callsigns. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Automatization QSO
I must say that I'm getting awfully tired of the bashing of a fine operating mode that requires a lot more operator sophistication than those who have never used it assume. I'm a pretty good CW op (starting in 1955), but I also concentrate on station building, understanding propagation, and the other aspects that contribute to a successful QSO. Ragchewing bores me to tears. There are good reasons for the degree of automation that WSJT-X provides for modes with short turnaround times. But a successful QSO includes knowing where to point the antenna, when to be working what distant QTH, knowing when propagation can make it possible, picking an operating frequency within the waterfall. My computer didn't make the QSO -- me, my radio, and my antennas made the QSO! I mostly use WSJT modes for QSOs I can't make another way -- mostly 6M and 160M, mostly E-skip, meteor scatter, and some tropo. About two months ago, I managed a QSO with 5A1AL in Libya running barefoot with a compromise antenna; my neighbor W6GJB and I had been chasing him for three years. Libya is TOUGH from the west coast of the US. I think we worked him on 17M or 20M. I chase grids on 6M (only), and have found both JT65 and FT8 a huge help. There are thousands of SSB ops living in rare grids who never learned CW, but they can run FT8 and give me a QSO with 20 dB better noise immunity than SSB! And there's another HUGE issue -- most of us are surrounded by homes, each of which, including our own, are filled with noise sources that cover all but the strongest signals. K1JT's modes have given hams with these limitations a chance to do ham radio. I'm a genuine old fart, first licensed in 1955. I try to learn something new every day, and in the spirit of ham radio, try to share what I've learned with others. I suggest that the bashers adopt these objectives. 73, Jim K9YC On 6/14/2018 12:53 AM, Tom M0LTE wrote: > There would be no challenge for you as an OPERATOR! There’s no real challenge in double clicking callsigns. > Robot FT8 is not Ham Radio Arguably, from the operator’s perspective, experimentation in software is more in the spirit of ham radio than double clicking callsigns. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Automatization QSO
Hi all Already been done by sv5dkl his station has worked in excess of 13,500 stations since last July he has posted a howto on youtube. I cannot see the point in a robot station or understand how people cannot click for themselves and feel the need for autoseq on which makes the whole operation only 2 clicks away from a robot station anyway. I have completely stopped playing with FT8 and now pick off the few jt65/jt9 stations that are about. Regards G7OED Richard -Original Message- From: DM2CYN Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 7:14 AM To: Michele via wsjt-devel Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] Automatization QSO Michele, interesting topic! Go on and let us know your results! Vy 73 Leo Am 13.06.2018 um 23:05 schrieb Michele via wsjt-devel: Hello, I'm an OM from Italy. Can I develop a software that allows make QSO automatically? 73 -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Automatization QSO
> There would be no challenge for you as an OPERATOR! There’s no real challenge in double clicking callsigns. > Robot FT8 is not Ham Radio Arguably, from the operator’s perspective, experimentation in software is more in the spirit of ham radio than double clicking callsigns. Just my view. On 14 Jun 2018, 06:03 +0100, Michael Aust , wrote: > Pat, > > I agree > > Robot FT8 is not Ham Radio > > I rather see real operators at each end and there using skill in chasing DX > rather than making a Robot > FT8 station > > The thrill of working of 6meter DX real to real operator mode is the way to > go at least for me ( West Coast USA to Africa/Europe ) > > We do not need to change the FT8 frequencies into a 24Hour Beacon Service > with hundred’s of Robot FT8 stations > > 73 Mike > > > On Jun 13, 2018, at 7:39 PM, patrick hamel wrote: > > > > If you have the skills you could develop the software you describe, but > > then what good would it do when your "robot" has worked everyone in the > > world? > > There were CW robots years ago but nobody worked them. > > There would be no challenge for you as an OPERATOR! > > How big would your QSL printing and mailing bill be? > > Would the mailman ever deliver or just tell you to come get your ^%$#@! out > > of the building or the river? > > There is a saying "Because we can does not mean we should". > > If you have the code written, re-purpose it as an "On The Beach" (movie) > > doomsday beacon. > > 73, > > Pat W5THT > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Michele via wsjt-devel" > > To: "WSJT software development" > > Cc: "Michele" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 4:05:15 PM > > Subject: [wsjt-devel] Automatization QSO > > > > Hello, > > I'm an OM from Italy. > > Can I develop a software that allows make QSO automatically? > > > > 73 > > > > -- > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > ___ > > wsjt-devel mailing list > > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > > > > -- > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > ___ > > wsjt-devel mailing list > > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Automatization QSO
Michele, interesting topic! Go on and let us know your results! Vy 73 Leo Am 13.06.2018 um 23:05 schrieb Michele via wsjt-devel: Hello, I'm an OM from Italy. Can I develop a software that allows make QSO automatically? 73 -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Automatization QSO
Pat, I agree Robot FT8 is not Ham Radio I rather see real operators at each end and there using skill in chasing DX rather than making a Robot FT8 station The thrill of working of 6meter DX real to real operator mode is the way to go at least for me ( West Coast USA to Africa/Europe ) We do not need to change the FT8 frequencies into a 24Hour Beacon Service with hundred’s of Robot FT8 stations 73 Mike > On Jun 13, 2018, at 7:39 PM, patrick hamel wrote: > > If you have the skills you could develop the software you describe, but then > what good would it do when your "robot" has worked everyone in the world? > There were CW robots years ago but nobody worked them. > There would be no challenge for you as an OPERATOR! > How big would your QSL printing and mailing bill be? > Would the mailman ever deliver or just tell you to come get your ^%$#@! out > of the building or the river? > There is a saying "Because we can does not mean we should". > If you have the code written, re-purpose it as an "On The Beach" (movie) > doomsday beacon. > 73, > Pat W5THT > > > - Original Message - > From: "Michele via wsjt-devel" > To: "WSJT software development" > Cc: "Michele" > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 4:05:15 PM > Subject: [wsjt-devel] Automatization QSO > > Hello, > I'm an OM from Italy. > Can I develop a software that allows make QSO automatically? > > 73 > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Automatization QSO
If you have the skills you could develop the software you describe, but then what good would it do when your "robot" has worked everyone in the world? There were CW robots years ago but nobody worked them. There would be no challenge for you as an OPERATOR! How big would your QSL printing and mailing bill be? Would the mailman ever deliver or just tell you to come get your ^%$#@! out of the building or the river? There is a saying "Because we can does not mean we should". If you have the code written, re-purpose it as an "On The Beach" (movie) doomsday beacon. 73, Pat W5THT - Original Message - From: "Michele via wsjt-devel" To: "WSJT software development" Cc: "Michele" Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 4:05:15 PM Subject: [wsjt-devel] Automatization QSO Hello, I'm an OM from Italy. Can I develop a software that allows make QSO automatically? 73 -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Automatization QSO
Si Michele, you may hire a slave who is to sit at your computer and do what you teach him or her. gl de ha6nn Andras On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 9:05 PM, Michele via wsjt-devel < wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Hello, > I'm an OM from Italy. > Can I develop a software that allows make QSO automatically? > > 73 > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
[wsjt-devel] Automatization QSO
Hello, I'm an OM from Italy. Can I develop a software that allows make QSO automatically? 73 -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
