Re: [Xastir] openSUSE 10.2 CVS Success

[Lee Bengston]

On 7/6/07, Curt, WE7U <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Wiki's are great, I use them all the time.  However:  Our particular
Wiki seems (to me) to be a bit difficult to find, particularly if
you don't know it exists.



I don't know - a google search on xastir finds www.xastir.org, and then
click on Xastir documentation and you're there.

Also, people might get the sources from other places, or not have

fast or convenient web access, so we need to make things as easy as
possible for them.

I feel we should tweak the "configure" output to be as
understandable as possible, plus keep the docs up-to-date which are
distributed with the sources.

I don't want the Wiki to become the source for everything.  It
doesn't work for everybody.  Wiki's also get hacked periodically.



The reason I was more focused on the Wiki in the context of newcomers to
Xastir and Linux is that from my own experience, I was not even aware of the
readme and install files for quite some time.  The first thing most newbies
will do is install a binary version of Xastir, and for the most part it's
going to work out of the box.  The more adventurous newbie may want to
install from source, and in that case, if he starts looking around for
instructions on how to do that, he hasn't necessarily downloaded Xastir yet,
so he doesn't have the install or readme files.

So the newbie finds the Wiki, and some HowTo docs on installing from source,
but his distribution isn't covered.  He looks at the guides for the other
distributions, and they talk about preparation before downloading the
source.  Now he goes looking for how to prepare his distribution.  It's not
obvious that he can download the source first, then look in a readme or
install file and find the info that he's looking for.  If he does download
the source first, then he still may not know where/how to find the
Install/Readme files if he is new to Linux in general (and he may not try to
find them if he doesn't know they are there).  So if the files bundled with
the code are the best place to document installation, etc., then the Wiki
should reference them so that all the google searchers out there know where
to find the information.  The install file really does have a lot of good
info in there, but it took me while to discover it.

The developers have been so helpful - this is by no means a criticism -
overall you have a great thing going here.  This has been an interesting
discussion in general about doing things to make it easier on newcomers.

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Re: [Xastir] openSUSE 10.2 CVS Success

[Curt, WE7U]

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Tom Russo wrote:

> > Near as I can tell the only things that should cause
> > configure.ac/acinclude.m4 to bomb out right now would be the lack of
> > Motif/Lesstif libraries or headers, or trying to enable Davis
> > weather station support with the wrong config options.  I think
> > anything else should just cause a warning on the spot and configure
> > should complete.
>
> Naturally, not having X11 headers should also be fatal, and they are.

Yep.

So...  Another place for the beginning Xastir users to have a major
impact:  If/when Xastir bombs out of configure due to the above
reasons, what sort of text would make it obvious to you how to
proceed to fix it?  I suspect the current text isn't adequate.

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Re: [Xastir] openSUSE 10.2 CVS Success

[Tom Russo]

On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 01:26:04PM -0500, we recorded a bogon-computron 
collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
>  On 7/8/07, Steve Friis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > What you have below is great. Just one thought here though. In the
> > scripts folder there is a script file  that pretty much
> > installs everything. Is this going to go away? I think it sure made the
> > install easy. Gives you all the needed libraries.
> >
> > Steve/WM5Z
> 
> 
>  It might be just me, but I like to install as much as possible from the
>  repositories for the applicable distribution, and then if there is anything
>  left, use the get-maptools script to make up the difference.  That looks
>  like the approach taken in the HowTo:Ubuntu 6.10 or
>  7.04.

My intention with the HowTo:Ubuntu... page was to describe how a typical
user might want to install xastir.  That being the case, one would want to
allow the package management system to handle the maximum number of external
libraries --- that way they are always updated and rarely stuck at ancient
versions.  Once you decide to install a software tool by hand from source,
you're exempting that package from automatic updates through the package
management system.

get-maptools.sh is convenient, but it installs particular revisions of some
software that is better left to the package management system, such as
pcre.  pcre can be required by more than just xastir, and has more updates
than most of the other things that get-maptools.sh installs.  Installing
an old version from source can cause problems for those managed packages that 
need it.  get-maptools installs pcre 6.3, and the current version is past
7.0.  

Proj.4 is another thing that is easily installed through the package management
system, and while it is more stable than most things, is still subject to more
updates than get-maptools is.  Proj.4 is already up to 4.5.x, and get-maptools
still installs 4.4.9 (at least two releases old).  Most package management
systems track that reasonably well --- it's certainly the case that Ubuntu
and FreeBSD both have current proj versionsin their package
systems.

gdal, not needed by most users, is installed by get-maptools by default, and
it's not even a current version --- they're coming up on release 1.4.2 now,
and get-maptools still installs 1.3.2 (I updated that back in November,
and it's already stale).  Not that it matters for xastir, because
xastir barely uses that library.  But try to install any current version of
GRASS or QGIS, and GDAL 1.3.2 will cause some problems.

Further, get-maptools is not actively maintained by any xastir developer, and 
we usually don't update the software it installs until someone points out that 
the versions it's looking for aren't available anymore, or someone gets a 
wild hair and goes through it looking for moldy versions.

On my own systems, I tend to install software from bleeding-edge source code
only for those packages for which I need bleeding-edge, or for which the
system's package management system is absurdly stale --- for example, GRASS
QGIS, and GDAL are almost never cutting edge (or even current) in most package 
management systems, and are usually at least two or three releases behind the 
times.  And once I've made the decision to do that, I'm stuck checking for
new versions rather frequently.  But shapelib is pretty much at a development 
dead end, so there's no need to install it from sources unless there's no 
packaged version available.

So basically, get-maptools is a nice tool for when you *can't* get everything
installed even easier through the package management system, or for when
the versions in the package management system are even staler than the ones
that get-maptools installs.

In short, I think it's wise for the Wiki HowTo pages for specific OS installs
to document the install for that system making use of the maximum number of
managed packages, and to minimize the amount of software downloaded and
installed outside of the package management system.  Individual users who
have special needs can figure out how to modify the instructions to get what
they want, and those who just want something that works and is stable can
follow the instructions as written. 

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Re: [Xastir] openSUSE 10.2 CVS Success

[Lee Bengston]

On 7/8/07, Steve Friis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


What you have below is great. Just one thought here though. In the
scripts folder there is a script file  that pretty much
installs everything. Is this going to go away? I think it sure made the
install easy. Gives you all the needed libraries.

Steve/WM5Z



It might be just me, but I like to install as much as possible from the
repositories for the applicable distribution, and then if there is anything
left, use the get-maptools script to make up the difference.  That looks
like the approach taken in the HowTo:Ubuntu 6.10 or
7.04.
With OpenSUSE, I was able to get everything from the repositories, so there
was no need to use get-maptools.sh.  With other distributions, it might be
best to use the get-maptools script either as is or slightly edited
depending on what is or is not available in the repositories and/or how
difficult it is to locate the right repositories.  Of course, it also
depends on what libraries the person installing actually needs.

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Re: [Xastir] openSUSE 10.2 CVS Success

[Steve Friis]

What you have below is great. Just one thought here though. In the 
scripts folder there is a script file  that pretty much 
installs everything. Is this going to go away? I think it sure made the 
install easy. Gives you all the needed libraries.


Steve/WM5Z


Lee Bengston wrote:

On 7/6/07, Curt, WE7U <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



The latest CVS:


MINIMUM OPTIONS:
  Building with ShapeLib (Vector maps) . : yes

RECOMMENDED OPTIONS:
  Building with GraphicsMagick/ImageMagick (Raster maps) : yes
(GraphicsMagick)
  Building with pcre (Shapefile customization) . : yes
  Building with dbfawk (Shapefile customization) ... : yes
  Building with rtree indexing (Shapefile speedups)  : yes
  Building with map caching (Raster map speedups) .. : yes
  Building with internet map retrieval . : yes (libcurl)

FOR THE ADVENTUROUS:
  Building with AX25 (Linux Kernel I/O Drivers)  : yes
  Building with libproj (USGS Topos & Aerial Photos) ... : yes
  Building with GeoTiff (USGS Topos & Aerial Photos) ... : yes
  Building with Festival (Text-to-speech) .. : yes
  Building with GDAL/OGR (Obtuse map formats) .. : yes
  Building with GPSMan/gpsmanshp (GPS downloads) ... : yes

DEVELOPER OPTIONS:
  Building with ErrorPopups (Old Method) ... : no
  Building with libgc (Debug memory usage) . : no
  Building with profiling (Debug code efficiency) .. : no
  Building with Linux Standard Base (LSB) .. : no



Looking good.  Thanks for all the effort - never thought I would start 
what

ended up to be this when building XASTIR with all the bells and whistles
last night, but the results are nice.

Noticing in the Wiki there was not an equivalent of the HowTo:Ubuntu 
6.10 or

7.04 for openSUSE, I set out to try to accomplish the same tasks that are
layed out in a very nice step by step fashion in the HowTo for Ubuntu so
that they could possibly be documented in a new HowTo for openSUSE 
10.2.  I
figured it was a way I could contribute given the help I have 
received.  The

information above helps with creating the HowTo because the steps can be
organized to cover the recommended options first before moving on to the
more adventurous options for those who want to.  My main motivation for
loading everything last night was so that I could document how, but 
I'm sure

perfectionism had something to do with it, too.

Have a great weekend,
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Re: [Xastir] openSUSE 10.2 CVS Success

[Lee Bengston]

On 7/7/07, Lee Bengston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 7/7/07, Tom Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Do you have an account on the Wiki, and have you got wikieditor
> privileges?
> If not, please register and then email to me, Curt and Chuck, and one of
> us
> will make sure your account gets the appropriate privileges so you can
> actually
> do the editing you want to do.
>
> We had to lock down the Xastir wiki after a round of vandalism.  Looking
> at
> the disaster that the APRS wiki at info.aprs.net has become due to being
>
> completely open (it's been completely trashed twice this week, and it's
> only
> a matter of tine before it happens again), it's a good thing we did this
> to
> the Xastir wiki.


I have an account now - thanks for the opportunity.  I'm glad the security
is there - the current Wiki has been a big help to me, so it would be a
shame if it was getting hacked.




http://www.xastir.org/wiki/index.php/HowTo%27s

HowTo:OpenSUSE 10.2
has now been added to the list. Further refinements are planned - this
version is based on notes taken and retracing steps. At some point I'll
run through the process again and fill in more detail.



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Re: [Xastir] openSUSE 10.2 CVS Success

[Lee Bengston]

On 7/7/07, Tom Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Do you have an account on the Wiki, and have you got wikieditor
privileges?
If not, please register and then email to me, Curt and Chuck, and one of
us
will make sure your account gets the appropriate privileges so you can
actually
do the editing you want to do.

We had to lock down the Xastir wiki after a round of vandalism.  Looking
at
the disaster that the APRS wiki at info.aprs.net has become due to being
completely open (it's been completely trashed twice this week, and it's
only
a matter of tine before it happens again), it's a good thing we did this
to
the Xastir wiki.



I have an account now - thanks for the opportunity.  I'm glad the security
is there - the current Wiki has been a big help to me, so it would be a
shame if it was getting hacked.

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Re: [Xastir] openSUSE 10.2 CVS Success

[Tom Russo]

On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 06:02:12PM -0500, we recorded a bogon-computron 
collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
> 
>  Noticing in the Wiki there was not an equivalent of the HowTo:Ubuntu 6.10 or
>  7.04 for openSUSE, I set out to try to accomplish the same tasks that are
>  layed out in a very nice step by step fashion in the HowTo for Ubuntu so
>  that they could possibly be documented in a new HowTo for openSUSE 10.2.  I
>  figured it was a way I could contribute given the help I have received.  The
>  information above helps with creating the HowTo because the steps can be
>  organized to cover the recommended options first before moving on to the
>  more adventurous options for those who want to.  My main motivation for
>  loading everything last night was so that I could document how, but I'm sure
>  perfectionism had something to do with it, too.

Do you have an account on the Wiki, and have you got wikieditor privileges?
If not, please register and then email to me, Curt and Chuck, and one of us
will make sure your account gets the appropriate privileges so you can actually
do the editing you want to do.

We had to lock down the Xastir wiki after a round of vandalism.  Looking at
the disaster that the APRS wiki at info.aprs.net has become due to being 
completely open (it's been completely trashed twice this week, and it's only 
a matter of tine before it happens again), it's a good thing we did this to 
the Xastir wiki.

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Re: [Xastir] openSUSE 10.2 CVS Success

[Tom Russo]

On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 03:17:12PM -0700, we recorded a bogon-computron 
collision of the <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> flavor, containing:
> On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Alex Carver wrote:
> 
> > Yep, Motif/Lesstif is one that bombs out immediately.
> > I just tried to recompile after removing Lesstif
> > (without realizing that Motif development libraries
> > weren't installed) and the compile ended.
> 
> Near as I can tell the only things that should cause
> configure.ac/acinclude.m4 to bomb out right now would be the lack of
> Motif/Lesstif libraries or headers, or trying to enable Davis
> weather station support with the wrong config options.  I think
> anything else should just cause a warning on the spot and configure
> should complete.

Naturally, not having X11 headers should also be fatal, and they are.

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Re: [Xastir] openSUSE 10.2 CVS Success

[Lee Bengston]

On 7/6/07, Curt, WE7U <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



The latest CVS:


MINIMUM OPTIONS:
  Building with ShapeLib (Vector maps) . : yes

RECOMMENDED OPTIONS:
  Building with GraphicsMagick/ImageMagick (Raster maps) : yes
(GraphicsMagick)
  Building with pcre (Shapefile customization) . : yes
  Building with dbfawk (Shapefile customization) ... : yes
  Building with rtree indexing (Shapefile speedups)  : yes
  Building with map caching (Raster map speedups) .. : yes
  Building with internet map retrieval . : yes (libcurl)

FOR THE ADVENTUROUS:
  Building with AX25 (Linux Kernel I/O Drivers)  : yes
  Building with libproj (USGS Topos & Aerial Photos) ... : yes
  Building with GeoTiff (USGS Topos & Aerial Photos) ... : yes
  Building with Festival (Text-to-speech) .. : yes
  Building with GDAL/OGR (Obtuse map formats) .. : yes
  Building with GPSMan/gpsmanshp (GPS downloads) ... : yes

DEVELOPER OPTIONS:
  Building with ErrorPopups (Old Method) ... : no
  Building with libgc (Debug memory usage) . : no
  Building with profiling (Debug code efficiency) .. : no
  Building with Linux Standard Base (LSB) .. : no



Looking good.  Thanks for all the effort - never thought I would start what
ended up to be this when building XASTIR with all the bells and whistles
last night, but the results are nice.

Noticing in the Wiki there was not an equivalent of the HowTo:Ubuntu 6.10 or
7.04 for openSUSE, I set out to try to accomplish the same tasks that are
layed out in a very nice step by step fashion in the HowTo for Ubuntu so
that they could possibly be documented in a new HowTo for openSUSE 10.2.  I
figured it was a way I could contribute given the help I have received.  The
information above helps with creating the HowTo because the steps can be
organized to cover the recommended options first before moving on to the
more adventurous options for those who want to.  My main motivation for
loading everything last night was so that I could document how, but I'm sure
perfectionism had something to do with it, too.

Have a great weekend,
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Re: [Xastir] openSUSE 10.2 CVS Success

[Curt, WE7U]

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Alex Carver wrote:

> Yep, Motif/Lesstif is one that bombs out immediately.
> I just tried to recompile after removing Lesstif
> (without realizing that Motif development libraries
> weren't installed) and the compile ended.

Near as I can tell the only things that should cause
configure.ac/acinclude.m4 to bomb out right now would be the lack of
Motif/Lesstif libraries or headers, or trying to enable Davis
weather station support with the wrong config options.  I think
anything else should just cause a warning on the spot and configure
should complete.

If anyone sees any different operation, let me know.

Should configure continue past the above mentioned items as well?

The thing to be wary of is getting to the summary thinking
everything is rosy, but having a warning/error message occur way
before that which has scrolled off the screen.

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Re: [Xastir] openSUSE 10.2 CVS Success

[Curt, WE7U]

The latest CVS:


MINIMUM OPTIONS:
  Building with ShapeLib (Vector maps) . : yes

RECOMMENDED OPTIONS:
  Building with GraphicsMagick/ImageMagick (Raster maps) : yes (GraphicsMagick)
  Building with pcre (Shapefile customization) . : yes
  Building with dbfawk (Shapefile customization) ... : yes
  Building with rtree indexing (Shapefile speedups)  : yes
  Building with map caching (Raster map speedups) .. : yes
  Building with internet map retrieval . : yes (libcurl)

FOR THE ADVENTUROUS:
  Building with AX25 (Linux Kernel I/O Drivers)  : yes
  Building with libproj (USGS Topos & Aerial Photos) ... : yes
  Building with GeoTiff (USGS Topos & Aerial Photos) ... : yes
  Building with Festival (Text-to-speech) .. : yes
  Building with GDAL/OGR (Obtuse map formats) .. : yes
  Building with GPSMan/gpsmanshp (GPS downloads) ... : yes

DEVELOPER OPTIONS:
  Building with ErrorPopups (Old Method) ... : no
  Building with libgc (Debug memory usage) . : no
  Building with profiling (Debug code efficiency) .. : no
  Building with Linux Standard Base (LSB) .. : no


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Re: [Xastir] openSUSE 10.2 CVS Success

[Curt, WE7U]

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Alex Carver wrote:

> Yep, Motif/Lesstif is one that bombs out immediately.
> I just tried to recompile after removing Lesstif
> (without realizing that Motif development libraries
> weren't installed) and the compile ended.
>
> I had to go back to Lesstif, the OpenMotif source code
> I have isn't compiling right now and I'm not sure why.

I don't think I've successfully compiled OpenMotif from source
either, but I haven't tried very hard.  I investigated it a little
for the LSB-Xastir, but the licensing wasn't adequate to the task so
I had to go with Lesstif there.

I install OpenMotif via packages when I need it, in this case RPM's.

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Re: [Xastir] openSUSE 10.2 CVS Success

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--- "Curt, WE7U" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems to me there may be a few things that cause
> it to exit
> prematurely, but I can't think of what they might be
> right now.
> Perhaps Motif/Lesstif was one such?

Yep, Motif/Lesstif is one that bombs out immediately. 
I just tried to recompile after removing Lesstif
(without realizing that Motif development libraries
weren't installed) and the compile ended.

I had to go back to Lesstif, the OpenMotif source code
I have isn't compiling right now and I'm not sure why.



   

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Re: [Xastir] openSUSE 10.2 CVS Success

[Curt, WE7U]

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Curt, WE7U wrote:

> the only way I get fourced of my

Yea...  That's the right spelling.  Trust me...

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Re: [Xastir] openSUSE 10.2 CVS Success

[Curt, WE7U]

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Richard Polivka wrote:

> This may take a bit of doing but I would not break the configure
> routine because of a missing library. I would crunch through the
> whole config process and then display which libraries/programs are
> missing at the end.

We attempt to do that now.  Any input you can give us as to missing
config items that cause us to exit immediately will be put to good
use.  I'd rather have it get all the way through the first time as
well, so that the user can compile a list of what libraries he/she
needs to install before the next attempt.

It seems to me there may be a few things that cause it to exit
prematurely, but I can't think of what they might be right now.
Perhaps Motif/Lesstif was one such?

Certainly there may be some missing items that we might not be able
to easily work around, like a missing compiler.  Autoconf uses a few
tools to do it's work and can't make it very far if those are
missing.


> In reference to the list, maybe that may be a way to automate the
> config for the comparison of what is missing vs. what is
> requested. So if a person requests "basic" and a library or two
> are missing, the missing libraries will be spelled out.

Right now we use the philosophy where we check for everything we
can and enable what we can, then give a summary of what we
accomplished.  As-is it's not up to the user to request a level.
Most open-source programs which use Autoconf end up with similar
operation.  So far I'd like to see us keep to that scheme as it
allows finer-grained control over what features are enabled/disabled
than fixed levels could.

Feel free to disagree as that's the only way I get fourced of my
comfort zone and begin understanding other people's viewpoints.
Otherwise I'm just always right by default.  ;-)

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[Curt, WE7U]

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Steve Friis wrote:

> Yea, but if it is all in documentation, then us newbies wouldn't keep
> bothering you Guru's with all these questions. BTW_FWIW, I think all you
> guys have done a fantastic job, in writing the software, in documenting
> what has already been published, and in taking the time to answer our
> questions. Even when we don't know the correct lingo, you guys figure
> out what we are trying to do and get us back on the path to success.

It actually bugs me when I _can't_ figure something out to help
someone, at least when nobody else steps forward with the answer
either.  No, that's not a challenge to you guys to stump me or
anything...  I already get that from my kids!  It sounds like a
frickin' game show as soon as I get home as they pelt me from all
sides with questions.  No, I am _not_ smarter than a 5th grader...
My youngest is learning Java programming all on his own.  Scary.
The two youngest already do Perl5 on Linux.  One of them runs Xastir
sometimes on his machine to track me, but doesn't transmit (not a
ham yet).  He's connected across the wireless to my Xastir's server
port, that Xastir being connected to a TNC/radio.

Also:  There's activity nearly always happening on the sidelines,
off the reflector, from those that either don't want their newbie
status widely known or perhaps don't know about the mailing list.  I
try to direct as much as possible back to the list though, as that
actually keeps the numbers of repeat questions down.

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[Steve Friis]

Lee Bengston wrote:

On 7/6/07, Curt, WE7U <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Downloading/compiling/installing libraries under Xastir's control


opens up way too many additional problems.  I'm pretty sure we don't
want to go there.



I don't think either Xastir or the "compiling utilities" need to be
modified.  I'm thinking just a table in the Wiki that documents what each
library does for Xastir would suffice.  For example, a newbie seeing a
library named libax25 or GPSMan without knowing exactly what they do 
could

easily assume that they are required given the reference to the
AX.25protocol and a GPS.

Sigh, there we go again, the newbies making more documentation demands on
the already strapped for time gurus.


Regards,
Lee - K5DAT
Yea, but if it is all in documentation, then us newbies wouldn't keep 
bothering you Guru's with all these questions. BTW_FWIW, I think all you 
guys have done a fantastic job, in writing the software, in documenting 
what has already been published, and in taking the time to answer our 
questions. Even when we don't know the correct lingo, you guys figure 
out what we are trying to do and get us back on the path to success.



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[Curt, WE7U]

This is what the current CVS dumps out on my system, plus Xastir's
Help->About line now shows "libcurl" at the end.  As you can see I'm
in either in that "perfectionist" class that was talked about, or I
must have everything installed for testing.  Not sure which...



xastir 1.9.1 has been configured to use the following
options and external libraries:

MINIMUM OPTIONS:
  Building with ShapeLib . : yes

RECOMMENDED OPTIONS:
  Building with GraphicsMagick/ImageMagick ... : yes (GraphicsMagick)
  Building with pcre . : yes
  Building with dbfawk ... : yes
  Building with map caching .. : yes
  Building with rtree indexing ... : yes
  Building with internet map retrieval ... : yes (libcurl)

FOR THE ADVENTUROUS:
  Building with AX25 . : yes
  Building with Festival . : yes
  Building with GPSMan ... : yes
  Building with libproj .. : yes
  Building with GeoTiff .. : yes
  Building with GDAL/OGR . : yes

DEVELOPER OPTIONS:
  Building with ErrorPopups (Old Method) . : no
  Building with libgc (Debug)  : no
  Building with profiling (Debug)  : no
  Building with Linux Standard Base .. : no

xastir will be installed in /usr/local/bin.
Type 'make' to build Xastir (Use 'gmake' instead on some systems).



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[Steve Friis]

that below looks great!!!

Steve/WM5Z



Curt, WE7U wrote:

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, John Ronan wrote:

  

Maybe with a 'Suggested Minimum', 'For the adventurous', 'Developer'
tags/headings or something?



How about something like this?


---
xastir 1.9.1 has been configured to use the following options and external 
libraries:

MINIMUM OPTIONS:
  Building with ShapeLib . : yes (Internal)

RECOMMENDED OPTIONS:
  Building with GraphicsMagick/ImageMagick ... : GraphicsMagick
  Building with pcre . : yes
  Building with dbfawk ... : yes
  Building with map caching .. : yes
  Building with rtree indexing ... : yes
  Building with internet map retrieval ... : libcurl

FOR THE ADVENTUROUS:
  Building with AX25 . : no
  Building with Festival . : no
  Building with GPSMan ... : no
  Building with libproj .. : no
  Building with GeoTiff .. : no
  Building with GDAL/OGR . : no

DEVELOPER OPTIONS:
  Building with ErrorPopups (Old Method) . : no
  Building with libgc (Debug)  : no
  Building with profiling (Debug)  : no
  Building with Linux Standard Base .. : no
---


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[Fred Erickson]

On Fri, 2007-07-06 at 12:13 -0700, Curt, WE7U wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Curt, WE7U wrote:
> 
> > MINIMUM OPTIONS:
> >   Building with ShapeLib . : yes (Internal)
> >
> > RECOMMENDED OPTIONS:
> >   Building with GraphicsMagick/ImageMagick ... : GraphicsMagick
> >   Building with pcre . : yes
> >   Building with dbfawk ... : yes
> >   Building with map caching .. : yes
> >   Building with rtree indexing ... : yes
> >   Building with internet map retrieval ... : libcurl
> >
> > FOR THE ADVENTUROUS:
> >   Building with AX25 . : no
> >   Building with Festival . : no
> >   Building with GPSMan ... : no
> >   Building with libproj .. : no
> >   Building with GeoTiff .. : no
> >   Building with GDAL/OGR . : no
> >
> > DEVELOPER OPTIONS:
> >   Building with ErrorPopups (Old Method) . : no
> >   Building with libgc (Debug)  : no
> >   Building with profiling (Debug)  : no
> >   Building with Linux Standard Base .. : no
> > ---
> 
> Done.  Mostly.
> 

Thanks to you and the others who develop and maintain Xastir. Those of
us who just enjoy the program really appreciate all the work you do.
It's the killer app that got me into Linux. 

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[Curt, WE7U]

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Curt, WE7U wrote:

> MINIMUM OPTIONS:
>   Building with ShapeLib . : yes (Internal)
>
> RECOMMENDED OPTIONS:
>   Building with GraphicsMagick/ImageMagick ... : GraphicsMagick
>   Building with pcre . : yes
>   Building with dbfawk ... : yes
>   Building with map caching .. : yes
>   Building with rtree indexing ... : yes
>   Building with internet map retrieval ... : libcurl
>
> FOR THE ADVENTUROUS:
>   Building with AX25 . : no
>   Building with Festival . : no
>   Building with GPSMan ... : no
>   Building with libproj .. : no
>   Building with GeoTiff .. : no
>   Building with GDAL/OGR . : no
>
> DEVELOPER OPTIONS:
>   Building with ErrorPopups (Old Method) . : no
>   Building with libgc (Debug)  : no
>   Building with profiling (Debug)  : no
>   Building with Linux Standard Base .. : no
> ---

Done.  Mostly.

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[Richard Polivka]

The idea of the config chart with the various levels is a good thing and will 
go a long way. 

This may take a bit of doing but I would not break the configure routine 
because of a missing library. I would crunch through the whole config process 
and then display which libraries/programs are missing at the end.

In reference to the list, maybe that may be a way to automate the config for 
the comparison of what is missing vs. what is requested. So if a person 
requests "basic" and a library or two are missing, the missing libraries will 
be spelled out.

73 from 807,

Richard, N6NKO


"Curt, WE7U" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Lee Bengston wrote:

> I don't think either Xastir or the "compiling utilities" need to be
> modified.  I'm thinking just a table in the Wiki that documents what each
> library does for Xastir would suffice.  For example, a newbie seeing a
> library named libax25 or GPSMan without knowing exactly what they do could
> easily assume that they are required given the reference to the
> AX.25protocol and a GPS.

My comments below are more about docs than about adding more
libraries internally.

Wiki's are great, I use them all the time.  However:  Our particular
Wiki seems (to me) to be a bit difficult to find, particularly if
you don't know it exists.

Also, people might get the sources from other places, or not have
fast or convenient web access, so we need to make things as easy as
possible for them.

I feel we should tweak the "configure" output to be as
understandable as possible, plus keep the docs up-to-date which are
distributed with the sources.

I don't want the Wiki to become the source for everything.  It
doesn't work for everybody.  Wiki's also get hacked periodically.

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[Lee Bengston]

On 7/6/07, Curt, WE7U <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, John Ronan wrote:

> Maybe with a 'Suggested Minimum', 'For the adventurous', 'Developer'
> tags/headings or something?

How about something like this?






I think it looks great.


Thanks,

Lee - K5DAT
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[Curt, WE7U]

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Lee Bengston wrote:

> I don't think either Xastir or the "compiling utilities" need to be
> modified.  I'm thinking just a table in the Wiki that documents what each
> library does for Xastir would suffice.  For example, a newbie seeing a
> library named libax25 or GPSMan without knowing exactly what they do could
> easily assume that they are required given the reference to the
> AX.25protocol and a GPS.

My comments below are more about docs than about adding more
libraries internally.

Wiki's are great, I use them all the time.  However:  Our particular
Wiki seems (to me) to be a bit difficult to find, particularly if
you don't know it exists.

Also, people might get the sources from other places, or not have
fast or convenient web access, so we need to make things as easy as
possible for them.

I feel we should tweak the "configure" output to be as
understandable as possible, plus keep the docs up-to-date which are
distributed with the sources.

I don't want the Wiki to become the source for everything.  It
doesn't work for everybody.  Wiki's also get hacked periodically.

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[Lee Bengston]

On 7/6/07, Curt, WE7U <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Downloading/compiling/installing libraries under Xastir's control


opens up way too many additional problems.  I'm pretty sure we don't
want to go there.



I don't think either Xastir or the "compiling utilities" need to be
modified.  I'm thinking just a table in the Wiki that documents what each
library does for Xastir would suffice.  For example, a newbie seeing a
library named libax25 or GPSMan without knowing exactly what they do could
easily assume that they are required given the reference to the
AX.25protocol and a GPS.

Sigh, there we go again, the newbies making more documentation demands on
the already strapped for time gurus.


Regards,
Lee - K5DAT
Murphy, TX
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[Curt, WE7U]

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, John Ronan wrote:

> Maybe with a 'Suggested Minimum', 'For the adventurous', 'Developer'
> tags/headings or something?

How about something like this?


---
xastir 1.9.1 has been configured to use the following options and external 
libraries:

MINIMUM OPTIONS:
  Building with ShapeLib . : yes (Internal)

RECOMMENDED OPTIONS:
  Building with GraphicsMagick/ImageMagick ... : GraphicsMagick
  Building with pcre . : yes
  Building with dbfawk ... : yes
  Building with map caching .. : yes
  Building with rtree indexing ... : yes
  Building with internet map retrieval ... : libcurl

FOR THE ADVENTUROUS:
  Building with AX25 . : no
  Building with Festival . : no
  Building with GPSMan ... : no
  Building with libproj .. : no
  Building with GeoTiff .. : no
  Building with GDAL/OGR . : no

DEVELOPER OPTIONS:
  Building with ErrorPopups (Old Method) . : no
  Building with libgc (Debug)  : no
  Building with profiling (Debug)  : no
  Building with Linux Standard Base .. : no
---


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[Curt, WE7U]

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Steve Friis wrote:

> I understand. Maybe the first prerequisite could be that wget function.
> Then have configure fetch and install those libraries that are needed.
> Might even be useful to have configure pause for Q&A for extra
> libraries? If there was, say 10 second pause for a Y/N answer, then
> resume with the appropriate default? This would allow you guys to set up
> the proper libraries, and give the options to install more if needed, or
> not...

Downloading/compiling/installing libraries under Xastir's control
opens up way too many additional problems.  I'm pretty sure we don't
want to go there.

A long time back I proposed a button in Xastir to update Xastir
itself from CVS sources.  That was fought tooth and nail.  In fact,
I think I brought that idea up two or three times.  It seems
innocuous enough to me, but I'm only one voice here.  Majority (of
the developers, and sometimes users) rules.

Doing the same or similar for libraries would no doubt run into the
same opposition.  We'd be taking over duties best left to package
managers, plus cross-platform issues could be quite tricky if not
impossible.

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[Steve Friis]

As far as including libraries in the main distribution, we
peridocially have "discussions" about this.  I had to fight hard to
get Shapelib added.  Generally it's not a good idea to add libraries
in this manner, as then we have more maintenance trying to keep up
with their releases and updating our sources to match.  In this case
and a few others, the benefits outweighed the downsides.
  
I understand. Maybe the first prerequisite could be that wget function. 
Then have configure fetch and install those libraries that are needed. 
Might even be useful to have configure pause for Q&A for extra 
libraries? If there was, say 10 second pause for a Y/N answer, then 
resume with the appropriate default? This would allow you guys to set up 
the proper libraries, and give the options to install more if needed, or 
not...


I think it is paramount that it be just made to work for the newbie. 
FWIW, one of the best things to be added was the rudimentary map so that 
the novice xastir user wasn't greeted with a blank gray screen.



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[Curt, WE7U]

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Steve Friis wrote:

> I think it is that newbee's don't understand what they really need.
> Since getting maps to be viewable requires different libraries to be
> installed, many of us think they should just install everything just in
> case. When I first tried to use Xastir, I couldn't get maps to run. Then
> someone pointed me down the road to install the libraries. Since I
> didn't understand which libraries displayed which map types, I installed
> everything I could find back then.

Sure, what you said makes sense.  I see how one might go down that
path.


> I don't see an easy way through this problem other than including more
> built-in libraries so that popular maps like the online maps just work
> out of the box. I know this would bloat the program though and this may
> not be a good thing either.

That's basically the thought process that led me to create
LSB-Xastir, which is a pre-compiled binary which gives you as much
capability as I could get linked in statically.  It should run on
ANY Linux system that is LSB-3.0 compliant.  Getting LSB compliance
on your system is usually as easy as adding an "LSB" package using
whatever package manager your system provides.

The downside to LSB-Xastir is that everything gets relocated to the
"/opt/Xastir" instead of "/usr/local/share/xastir".  If you've
already run another non-LSB Xastir binary, you'll need to relocate
or link some stuff between the two, and probably delete your
~/.xastir directory so that everything starts clean.

The upside is that you don't need to compile, plus new versions come
out about twice a month, nearly keeping up with CVS.

As far as including libraries in the main distribution, we
peridocially have "discussions" about this.  I had to fight hard to
get Shapelib added.  Generally it's not a good idea to add libraries
in this manner, as then we have more maintenance trying to keep up
with their releases and updating our sources to match.  In this case
and a few others, the benefits outweighed the downsides.

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[Lee Bengston]

On 7/6/07, Curt, WE7U <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, John Ronan wrote:

> > Just curious, is it the general perception that _everything_ listed
> > above that line is needed in order to run, or is it just
> > overachievers (like me) that feel the need to see a positive
> > indication for every option?
> A bit of both methinks.  I think the perception is that if all the
> lines don't say 'yes' then there's something wrong.



II I don't really care, for example, about Festival and GDAL.  With OpenSuse
10.2, however, it really wasn't much extra effort to enter them into the
search in YaST and grab them.  Also, since I am new and still exploring, I
don't really know yet if I will use GeoTiff or some of the others, so the
attitude was to toss them in there so I can see what I can do with them
later.  And yes, I admit there is the perfectionist syndrome guys like me
have that want to see a "yes" on every line.

The hard work for me was setting up the additional software sources in YaST,
which I thought I needed to do anyway in order to get even the bare
essentials (which based on the responses to my message, may not have been
the case?).  Once that was done, it was not much work to just search for
libraries and tell it to install them.

   So what would make this easier?  Another horizontal line to break it


up into more sections?

Something like the listing below is what I'd expect most people to
need/want:


---
xastir 1.9.1 has been configured to use the following
options and external libraries:

Building with GraphicsMagick/ImageMagick ... : GraphicsMagick
Building with ShapeLib . : yes
Building with pcre . : yes
Building with dbfawk ... : yes
Building with map caching .. : yes
Building with rtree indexing ... : yes
--
Building with AX25 . : no
Building with Festival . : no
Building with GPSMan ... : no
Building with libproj .. : no
Building with GeoTiff .. : no
Building with GDAL/OGR . : no
--
Building with ErrorPopups (Old Method) . : no
Building with libgc (Debug)  : no
Building with profiling (Debug)  : no
Building with Linux Standard Base .. : no

--



Yes, breaking it up as shown above and documenting that the items above the
1st line are what most people would want would be very useful to newcomers.

It might also be nice to add another line to the first section which

specifies whether wget or libcurl will be compiled in.  If neither
then internet mapping isn't possible:



Agree
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Building with AX25 . : yes
Building with Festival . : yes
Building with GPSMan ... : yes
Building with GraphicsMagick/ImageMagick ... : GraphicsMagick
Building with libproj .. : yes
Building with GeoTiff .. : yes
Building with GDAL/OGR . : yes
Building with ShapeLib . : yes
Building with pcre . : yes
Building with dbfawk ... : yes
Building with map caching .. : yes
Building with rtree indexing ... : yes
--



Just curious, is it the general perception that _everything_ listed
above that line is needed in order to run, or is it just
overachievers (like me) that feel the need to see a positive
indication for every option?


Curt, WE7U.   APRS Client Comparisons: http://www.eskimo.com/~archer
  
I think it is that newbee's don't understand what they really need. 
Since getting maps to be viewable requires different libraries to be 
installed, many of us think they should just install everything just in 
case. When I first tried to use Xastir, I couldn't get maps to run. Then 
someone pointed me down the road to install the libraries. Since I 
didn't understand which libraries displayed which map types, I installed 
everything I could find back then. Now I know I don't need GDAL, I don't 
install it. I don't use the speech function, so I omit Festival during 
the configure process, but this all came as a result of using the 
program for the last year+ and learning what I really needed.


I don't see an easy way through this problem other than including more 
built-in libraries so that popular maps like the online maps just work 
out of the box. I know this would bloat the program though and this may 
not be a good thing either.


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Re: [Xastir] openSUSE 10.2 CVS Success

[John Ronan]

On 6 Jul 2007, at 14:30, Curt, WE7U wrote:


On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, John Ronan wrote:


Just curious, is it the general perception that _everything_ listed
above that line is needed in order to run, or is it just
overachievers (like me) that feel the need to see a positive
indication for every option?

A bit of both methinks.  I think the perception is that if all the
lines don't say 'yes' then there's something wrong.


Which is probably why people work so hard to get
libtiff/libproj/libgeotiff/libgdal in there even though most will
never have any use for the map capability they provide...

So what would make this easier?  Another horizontal line to break it
up into more sections?

Something like the listing below is what I'd expect most people to
need/want:

Maybe with a 'Suggested Minimum', 'For the adventurous', 'Developer'  
tags/headings or something?


Regards
John



-- 
-

xastir 1.9.1 has been configured to use the following
options and external libraries:

Building with GraphicsMagick/ImageMagick ... : GraphicsMagick
Building with ShapeLib . : yes
Building with pcre . : yes
Building with dbfawk ... : yes
Building with map caching .. : yes
Building with rtree indexing ... : yes
--
Building with AX25 . : no
Building with Festival . : no
Building with GPSMan ... : no
Building with libproj .. : no
Building with GeoTiff .. : no
Building with GDAL/OGR . : no
--
Building with ErrorPopups (Old Method) . : no
Building with libgc (Debug)  : no
Building with profiling (Debug)  : no
Building with Linux Standard Base .. : no
-- 




It might also be nice to add another line to the first section which
specifies whether wget or libcurl will be compiled in.  If neither
then internet mapping isn't possible:


-- 
-

xastir 1.9.1 has been configured to use the following
options and external libraries:

Building with GraphicsMagick/ImageMagick ... : GraphicsMagick
Building with ShapeLib . : yes
Building with pcre . : yes
Building with dbfawk ... : yes
Building with map caching .. : yes
Building with rtree indexing ... : yes
Building with internet map fetches . : libcurl
--


Later versions of Xastir specify "wget" or "libcurl" in the STDERR
output when you start up Xastir, but it'd be nice to have it show up
in the configure summary as well:


"Support for these additional map types has been compiled in:
   geo   Image Map (ImageMagick/GraphicsMagick library, many  
formats allowed)

   geo   URL (Internet maps via libcurl library)"


--
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"Lotto:A tax on people who are bad at math." -- unknown
"Windows:  Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates." -- WE7U
"The world DOES revolve around me:  I picked the coordinate system!"



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Telecommunications Software &  Systems Group,  http://www.tssg.org



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Re: [Xastir] openSUSE 10.2 CVS Success

[Curt, WE7U]

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, John Ronan wrote:

> > Just curious, is it the general perception that _everything_ listed
> > above that line is needed in order to run, or is it just
> > overachievers (like me) that feel the need to see a positive
> > indication for every option?
> A bit of both methinks.  I think the perception is that if all the
> lines don't say 'yes' then there's something wrong.

Which is probably why people work so hard to get
libtiff/libproj/libgeotiff/libgdal in there even though most will
never have any use for the map capability they provide...

So what would make this easier?  Another horizontal line to break it
up into more sections?

Something like the listing below is what I'd expect most people to
need/want:


---
xastir 1.9.1 has been configured to use the following
options and external libraries:

Building with GraphicsMagick/ImageMagick ... : GraphicsMagick
Building with ShapeLib . : yes
Building with pcre . : yes
Building with dbfawk ... : yes
Building with map caching .. : yes
Building with rtree indexing ... : yes
--
Building with AX25 . : no
Building with Festival . : no
Building with GPSMan ... : no
Building with libproj .. : no
Building with GeoTiff .. : no
Building with GDAL/OGR . : no
--
Building with ErrorPopups (Old Method) . : no
Building with libgc (Debug)  : no
Building with profiling (Debug)  : no
Building with Linux Standard Base .. : no
--


It might also be nice to add another line to the first section which
specifies whether wget or libcurl will be compiled in.  If neither
then internet mapping isn't possible:


---
xastir 1.9.1 has been configured to use the following
options and external libraries:

Building with GraphicsMagick/ImageMagick ... : GraphicsMagick
Building with ShapeLib . : yes
Building with pcre . : yes
Building with dbfawk ... : yes
Building with map caching .. : yes
Building with rtree indexing ... : yes
Building with internet map fetches . : libcurl
--


Later versions of Xastir specify "wget" or "libcurl" in the STDERR
output when you start up Xastir, but it'd be nice to have it show up
in the configure summary as well:


"Support for these additional map types has been compiled in:
   geo   Image Map (ImageMagick/GraphicsMagick library, many formats 
allowed)
   geo   URL (Internet maps via libcurl library)"


--
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"Lotto:A tax on people who are bad at math." -- unknown
"Windows:  Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates." -- WE7U
"The world DOES revolve around me:  I picked the coordinate system!"
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Re: [Xastir] openSUSE 10.2 CVS Success

[John Ronan]

Just curious, is it the general perception that _everything_ listed
above that line is needed in order to run, or is it just
overachievers (like me) that feel the need to see a positive
indication for every option?
A bit of both methinks.  I think the perception is that if all the  
lines don't say 'yes' then there's something wrong.


--
John Ronan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, +353-51-302938
Telecommunications Software &  Systems Group,  http://www.tssg.org



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Re: [Xastir] openSUSE 10.2 CVS Success

[Curt, WE7U]

On Thu, 5 Jul 2007, Lee Bengston wrote:

> One key was pointing the package manager, YaST, toward the right
> repositories.  I just did YaST searches on all the pertinent packages such
> as GraphicsMagick, pcre, Berkeley, etc. and managed to find them all.
>
> I never could have done it without the info in the installation notes for
> openSUSE in the Wiki.  The info there didn't exactly apply to version 10.2,
> but it got me into the servers where I could look around and find the
> 10.2equivalent locations.  The two below are the ones that were
> translated into
> 10.2 versions from the installation notes that show 10.0/10.1 locations.

Would the info in "README" have been adequate as well?  Perhaps with
a bit of info from "INSTALL"?  We'd like enough info distributed
with Xastir itself so that people could install it without having to
refer to the Wiki.


> Building with AX25 . : yes
> Building with Festival . : yes
> Building with GPSMan ... : yes
> Building with GraphicsMagick/ImageMagick ... : GraphicsMagick
> Building with libproj .. : yes
> Building with GeoTiff .. : yes
> Building with GDAL/OGR . : yes
> Building with ShapeLib . : yes
> Building with pcre . : yes
> Building with dbfawk ... : yes
> Building with map caching .. : yes
> Building with rtree indexing ... : yes
> --

Just curious, is it the general perception that _everything_ listed
above that line is needed in order to run, or is it just
overachievers (like me) that feel the need to see a positive
indication for every option?

--
Curt, WE7U.   APRS Client Comparisons: http://www.eskimo.com/~archer
"Lotto:A tax on people who are bad at math." -- unknown
"Windows:  Microsoft's tax on computer illiterates." -- WE7U
"The world DOES revolve around me:  I picked the coordinate system!"
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