Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 18:43 +, allcoms wrote: Isn't gnome-display-properties sufficient? Which additional features would you need? No, gnome-display-properties isn't sufficient to my needs as it does neither of the two features I am looking for which are: 1- Visual resizing (as in 'graphically' adjusting the screens outer borders) and 2- Visual positioning (centering) of the full screen gdp is of course just a simple gui to xrandr, which doesn't do what I require. nvidias X setup tool is also lacking such functionality and as I say the only tool I've seen do this under linux is tied into suse's vast yast config monster which is prob hundreds of meg with all its dependencies when all I'd ever want from it is the visual screen setup tool. Are you looking for something like a modern version of xvidtune tied into xrandr which can tweak monitor timings? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: Blank screen on Radeon Mobility HD 4650
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Damien Mir mailings.x...@mirabel-sil.com wrote: Hi, I am experiencing a problem with my new laptop : Dell Studio 17'3 with Radeon Mobility HD 4650 running opensuse 11.2 or Ubuntu 9.10 When xorg invoked, the screen becomes blank and is deadlocked this way until the next reboot, and then KDE4 crashes. It occurs both with radeon and radeonhd drivers. For information : http://88.191.15.45/RVRV/xorg.conf http://88.191.15.45/RVRV/Xorg.0.log http://88.191.15.45/RVRV/xsession-errors Actually it seems to be a combination of two distinct problems, may be related : 1/ Once Xorg invoked, the laptop panel is deadlocked blank, but with no apparent errors in xorg.conf. Except for a VGA output initialization, despite no monitor ever being attached to the VGA output. Maybe the flat panel isn't correctly probed / detected ? What surprises me is : if I plug the HDMI output to another monitor, I can see KDE4 loading before it crashes (see below). 2/ KDE4 appears to crash due to some errors, see xsession-errors : kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib64/libkdeinit4_kglobalaccel.so WARNING: Application calling GLX 1.3 function glXCreatePixmap when GLX 1.3 is not supported! This is an application bug! WARNING: Application calling GLX 1.3 function glXQueryDrawable when GLX 1.3 is not supported! This is an application bug! drmRadeonCmdBuffer: -22. Kernel failed to parse or rejected command stream. See dmesg for more info. kded4: Fatal IO error: client killed When running vesa or the proprietary fglrx, it is working quite alright, except for the horrible 2D performance. Does xf86-video-ati from git master work any better? Alex ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
Hi Steve! Ah! xvidtune! I'm surprised it took so long for someone to name the command that I was looking for. Is this what yast's graphics and display module is using to do what it does? I'm typing this atm under X.Org X Server 1.7.2, using the RadeonHD driver with a RHD 4350 connected to a single DVI display under Arch. When I type 'xvidtune' with no extra parameters in an xterm all I get is: Unable to query monitor info Is this a fault of the radeonhd driver, xorg, vidtune or my monitor? Also, unless I'm mis-understand things, reading the man page for xvidtune says nothing of how you would use it to configure additional displays. Have you simply got to run it on the display you are trying to configure? As I've already stated, my main need for this is to configure external HDMI displays- I was looking for my HDMI cable on the weekend but I suspect my housemates son has half-inched it so looks like I'll have to get another before I can try testing xvidtune with my poulsbo. Should xvidtune be able to do what I want or will (external) HDMI/DVI displays confuse it? Dan On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Steven J Newbury st...@snewbury.org.uk wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 18:43 +, allcoms wrote: Isn't gnome-display-properties sufficient? Which additional features would you need? No, gnome-display-properties isn't sufficient to my needs as it does neither of the two features I am looking for which are: 1- Visual resizing (as in 'graphically' adjusting the screens outer borders) and 2- Visual positioning (centering) of the full screen gdp is of course just a simple gui to xrandr, which doesn't do what I require. nvidias X setup tool is also lacking such functionality and as I say the only tool I've seen do this under linux is tied into suse's vast yast config monster which is prob hundreds of meg with all its dependencies when all I'd ever want from it is the visual screen setup tool. Are you looking for something like a modern version of xvidtune tied into xrandr which can tweak monitor timings? ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:54 AM, allcoms allc...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Steve! Ah! xvidtune! I'm surprised it took so long for someone to name the command that I was looking for. Is this what yast's graphics and display module is using to do what it does? I'm typing this atm under X.Org X Server 1.7.2, using the RadeonHD driver with a RHD 4350 connected to a single DVI display under Arch. When I type 'xvidtune' with no extra parameters in an xterm all I get is: Unable to query monitor info Is this a fault of the radeonhd driver, xorg, vidtune or my monitor? Also, unless I'm mis-understand things, reading the man page for xvidtune says nothing of how you would use it to configure additional displays. Have you simply got to run it on the display you are trying to configure? As I've already stated, my main need for this is to configure external HDMI displays- I was looking for my HDMI cable on the weekend but I suspect my housemates son has half-inched it so looks like I'll have to get another before I can try testing xvidtune with my poulsbo. Should xvidtune be able to do what I want or will (external) HDMI/DVI displays confuse it? xvidtune doesn't work with xrandr 1.2. It needs to be updated to support multiple outputs. Alex Dan On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Steven J Newbury st...@snewbury.org.uk wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 18:43 +, allcoms wrote: Isn't gnome-display-properties sufficient? Which additional features would you need? No, gnome-display-properties isn't sufficient to my needs as it does neither of the two features I am looking for which are: 1- Visual resizing (as in 'graphically' adjusting the screens outer borders) and 2- Visual positioning (centering) of the full screen gdp is of course just a simple gui to xrandr, which doesn't do what I require. nvidias X setup tool is also lacking such functionality and as I say the only tool I've seen do this under linux is tied into suse's vast yast config monster which is prob hundreds of meg with all its dependencies when all I'd ever want from it is the visual screen setup tool. Are you looking for something like a modern version of xvidtune tied into xrandr which can tweak monitor timings? ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
Op 12-01-10 17:54, allcoms schreef: Hi Steve! Ah! xvidtune! I'm surprised it took so long for someone to name the command that I was looking for. Is this what yast's graphics and display module is using to do what it does? Are you really sure that it's what you were looking for!? Have you ever used xvidtune? Have a look at this screenshot: http://howto-pages.org/ModeLines/xvidtune2.png 10 years ago that was useful to finely tune the signal sent to your VGA monitor and do some fancy optimisations. Today, I see virtually no use. Eric ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: [ANNOUNCE] xorg-server 1.7.99.2
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@who-t.net wrote: On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 08:54:59AM +0100, Stephan Raue wrote: Hi Peter, Dan, do you dont forgot this also to commit before release? Dan, this patch doesn't seem to be in master yet. were you waiting for me to merge it? I'd forgotten about it. My development box is offline right now, so if you could check that it still applies and add your Reviewed-by to the commit message, that'd be great. Thanks. -- Dan ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: I don't want my IR handset to act like a keyboard
Op 10-01-10 19:04, Tony Houghton schreef: I've got a DVB card with an IR controller which appears as an input device. I want my applications to read the input device directly, not as a keyboard. Among other reasons, it's because I want to use the OK button while mplayer is running, but it generates an Enter keypress which mplayer interprets as please quit. Interestingly, someone has been complaining of exactly the opposite: http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?p=1309 Maybe in your case, what you need is just a special keymap for the remote control, and make sure that applications listen to it only via X. See you, Eric ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: Blank screen on Radeon Mobility HD 4650
What I did up to now : - upgrade to kernel 2.6.32 (from suse repository) - upgrade to latest xorg-server (from suse rep too, still 7.4) - compile xf86-video-ati from git. And it works ! Thanks a lot ! On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Damien Mir mailings.x...@mirabel-sil.com wrote: Hi, I am experiencing a problem with my new laptop : Dell Studio 17'3 with Radeon Mobility HD 4650 running opensuse 11.2 or Ubuntu 9.10 When xorg invoked, the screen becomes blank and is deadlocked this way until the next reboot, and then KDE4 crashes. It occurs both with radeon and radeonhd drivers. ... When running vesa or the proprietary fglrx, it is working quite alright, except for the horrible 2D performance. Does xf86-video-ati from git master work any better? ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
I don't want my IR handset to act like a keyboard
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:25:11 +0100 Éric Piel e.a.b.p...@tudelft.nl wrote: Op 10-01-10 19:04, Tony Houghton schreef: I've got a DVB card with an IR controller which appears as an input device. I want my applications to read the input device directly, not as a keyboard. Among other reasons, it's because I want to use the OK button while mplayer is running, but it generates an Enter keypress which mplayer interprets as please quit. Interestingly, someone has been complaining of exactly the opposite: http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?p=1309 That's obsolete too now, because of X not using hal any more. Maybe in your case, what you need is just a special keymap for the remote control, and make sure that applications listen to it only via X. The trouble with that is that I like my application, boxstar, to handle the remote presses and pass on commands to mplayer via its slave interface, but mplayer grabs focus away from boxstar, depriving it of X keyboard events. I don't want to have to rely on making special exceptions in the window manager. -- TH * http://www.realh.co.uk ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
I have problems with the BlankTime Option: Any help?
Hi! Can at least anyone of you reproduce the fact that any modern system with multiple KDE sessions is doomed to run a screensaver after 10 minutes? Or is out there in the wide world someone who is able to get a system with multiple KDE sessions that is absolutely free of screensavers? dolphin ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
xvidtune doesn't work with xrandr 1.2. It needs to be updated to support multiple outputs. Alex Seems we've finally got the the bottom of my original question- thanks Steve and Alex! Does anyone plan on updating xvidtune to work with the latest X/xrandr and multiple displays? I would presume that if this was underway I would've had a response before now. I'm surprised there isn't much more interest in seeing this done on this list what with HDMI becoming more commonplace by the day- its fast replacing both SCART and VGA and the display connection standard for both TVs and computers/consoles and there could soon be millions of (potential) X users unable to use their displays properly due to lack of a working xvidtune or similar tool. Dan ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:59 PM, allcoms allc...@googlemail.com wrote: xvidtune doesn't work with xrandr 1.2. It needs to be updated to support multiple outputs. Alex Seems we've finally got the the bottom of my original question- thanks Steve and Alex! Does anyone plan on updating xvidtune to work with the latest X/xrandr and multiple displays? I would presume that if this was underway I would've had a response before now. No one is working on it that I know of. I'm surprised there isn't much more interest in seeing this done on this list what with HDMI becoming more commonplace by the day- its fast replacing both SCART and VGA and the display connection standard for both TVs and computers/consoles and there could soon be millions of (potential) X users unable to use their displays properly due to lack of a working xvidtune or similar tool. With digital monitors you are almost always guaranteed to have an EDID (IIRC, DVI and HDMI require it) which should prevent you from needing to tweak the modeline as the EDID contains the supported modelines from the monitor. Alex ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
With digital monitors you are almost always guaranteed to have an EDID (IIRC, DVI and HDMI require it) which should prevent you from needing to tweak the modeline as the EDID contains the supported modelines from the monitor. Alex I have a Mini 10 netbook with poulsbo gfx / HDMI out which runs jaunty with the psb driver. I've only tried it on 2 different HDMI displays but the display didn't fit on either- I couldn't see my full desktop. Does this mean the psb driver is non-EDID aware? Poulsbo may be a bad example as its drivers don't have a great rep, so lets take my Dads Ion netbook as an example. I installed the binary, 185.x NV drivers under Karmic on it and tried it with 2 different displays and yet again the display did not fit on the screen. Searching the web I found many reports of others having the same problem- does this mean NV's binary Linux drivers are also non-EDID aware? With the same netbook (a HP/Compaq Mini 311) running XP and the latest NV Ion drivers I had exactly the same problem on both (different) displays I tried it on in that the desktop didn't fit the display properly but at least under Windows the NV config tool does have a tool for resizing and moving HDTV displays which meant I was able to set it up properly under Windows. Does this mean Nvidia's Windows driver doesn't detect EDID properly either or am I just really unlucky with my displays? With both Windows and Linux I've never had a faultless 'plug and play' experience with HDMI, thus the need for an updated xvidtune. Dan ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: I have problems with the BlankTime Option: Any help?
I have a HTPC running KDE that i succeeded in disabling all screensavers. I had to place a script in the .kde/Autostart folder to disable the X-server screen blanking. I can post the script tonight if you want it. /Markus - Original Message From: dolphin...@gmx.de dolphin...@gmx.de To: x...@freedesktop.org Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 7:41:32 PM Subject: I have problems with the BlankTime Option: Any help? Hi! Can at least anyone of you reproduce the fact that any modern system with multiple KDE sessions is doomed to run a screensaver after 10 minutes? Or is out there in the wide world someone who is able to get a system with multiple KDE sessions that is absolutely free of screensavers? dolphin ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:39 PM, allcoms allc...@googlemail.com wrote: With digital monitors you are almost always guaranteed to have an EDID (IIRC, DVI and HDMI require it) which should prevent you from needing to tweak the modeline as the EDID contains the supported modelines from the monitor. Alex I have a Mini 10 netbook with poulsbo gfx / HDMI out which runs jaunty with the psb driver. I've only tried it on 2 different HDMI displays but the display didn't fit on either- I couldn't see my full desktop. Does this mean the psb driver is non-EDID aware? Poulsbo may be a bad example as its drivers don't have a great rep, so lets take my Dads Ion netbook as an example. I installed the binary, 185.x NV drivers under Karmic on it and tried it with 2 different displays and yet again the display did not fit on the screen. Searching the web I found many reports of others having the same problem- does this mean NV's binary Linux drivers are also non-EDID aware? With the same netbook (a HP/Compaq Mini 311) running XP and the latest NV Ion drivers I had exactly the same problem on both (different) displays I tried it on in that the desktop didn't fit the display properly but at least under Windows the NV config tool does have a tool for resizing and moving HDTV displays which meant I was able to set it up properly under Windows. Does this mean Nvidia's Windows driver doesn't detect EDID properly either or am I just really unlucky with my displays? With both Windows and Linux I've never had a faultless 'plug and play' experience with HDMI, thus the need for an updated xvidtune. Sounds like you have an unlucky display. Even without an EDID, your TV will likely work with the standard HTDV timing modelines (it should for devices like cable boxes and DVD/BD players). Also note that some tv's automatically overscan HDMI for some reason, you may have to adjust the TV itself to remove that. Alex ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: visual resizing and positioning of displays
Sounds like you have an unlucky display. Even without an EDID, your TV will likely work with the standard HTDV timing modelines (it should for devices like cable boxes and DVD/BD players). Also note that some tv's automatically overscan HDMI for some reason, you may have to adjust the TV itself to remove that. Alex I have seen this on most LCD TV's. Samsung has two settings in their picture size menu, the regular 16x9 setting will overscan, but the other setting called just scan will NOT overscan. I'm using just scan with my satellite box that output 720p over HDMI. /Markus ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: I don't want my IR handset to act like a keyboard
On 1/12/2010 10:55 AM, Tony Houghton wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:25:11 +0100 Éric Piele.a.b.p...@tudelft.nl wrote: Op 10-01-10 19:04, Tony Houghton schreef: I've got a DVB card with an IR controller which appears as an input device. I want my applications to read the input device directly, not as a keyboard. Among other reasons, it's because I want to use the OK button while mplayer is running, but it generates an Enter keypress which mplayer interprets as please quit. Interestingly, someone has been complaining of exactly the opposite: http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?p=1309 That's obsolete too now, because of X not using hal any more. Maybe in your case, what you need is just a special keymap for the remote control, and make sure that applications listen to it only via X. The trouble with that is that I like my application, boxstar, to handle the remote presses and pass on commands to mplayer via its slave interface, but mplayer grabs focus away from boxstar, depriving it of X keyboard events. I don't want to have to rely on making special exceptions in the window manager. My solution to this problem is customized udev scripts. Essentially, if the device is a remote, then udev does not set x11_driver. Since x11_driver is not set, Xorg ignores the device completely. ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: I don't want my IR handset to act like a keyboard
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:07:03 -0800 Paul Bender peben...@san.rr.com wrote: My solution to this problem is customized udev scripts. Essentially, if the device is a remote, then udev does not set x11_driver. Since x11_driver is not set, Xorg ignores the device completely. Oh good, that is still possible. Could you tell me how? I couldn't work out what to do, or even if there was anything I could do, from the udev docs. -- TH * http://www.realh.co.uk ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: I don't want my IR handset to act like a keyboard
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Tony Houghton h...@realh.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:07:03 -0800 Paul Bender peben...@san.rr.com wrote: My solution to this problem is customized udev scripts. Essentially, if the device is a remote, then udev does not set x11_driver. Since x11_driver is not set, Xorg ignores the device completely. Oh good, that is still possible. Could you tell me how? I couldn't work out what to do, or even if there was anything I could do, from the udev docs. It's gone in master (and probably soon from debian/ubuntu). The server just grabs everything marked with ID_INPUT by udev. -- Dan ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: I don't want my IR handset to act like a keyboard
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:55:09 -0800 Dan Nicholson dbn.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Tony Houghton h...@realh.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:07:03 -0800 Paul Bender peben...@san.rr.com wrote: My solution to this problem is customized udev scripts. Essentially, if the device is a remote, then udev does not set x11_driver. Since x11_driver is not set, Xorg ignores the device completely. Oh good, that is still possible. Could you tell me how? I couldn't work out what to do, or even if there was anything I could do, from the udev docs. It's gone in master (and probably soon from debian/ubuntu). The server just grabs everything marked with ID_INPUT by udev. And I suppose if I removed ID_INPUT I wouldn't get the events I want from /dev/input/event* either. -- TH * http://www.realh.co.uk ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: I don't want my IR handset to act like a keyboard
On 1/12/2010 2:55 PM, Dan Nicholson wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Tony Houghtonh...@realh.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:07:03 -0800 Paul Benderpeben...@san.rr.com wrote: My solution to this problem is customized udev scripts. Essentially, if the device is a remote, then udev does not set x11_driver. Since x11_driver is not set, Xorg ignores the device completely. Oh good, that is still possible. Could you tell me how? I couldn't work out what to do, or even if there was anything I could do, from the udev docs. It's gone in master (and probably soon from debian/ubuntu). The server just grabs everything marked with ID_INPUT by udev. As Xorg is not the only input device handler, this would seem to be a bug / design flaw that should be fixed before 1.8 is released. If not, distributions will need to hack around it in their udev scripts by clearing ID_INPUT whenever they do not want Xorg to grab the device. ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
Re: I don't want my IR handset to act like a keyboard
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 06:26:58PM -0800, Paul Bender wrote: On 1/12/2010 2:55 PM, Dan Nicholson wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Tony Houghtonh...@realh.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:07:03 -0800 Paul Benderpeben...@san.rr.com wrote: My solution to this problem is customized udev scripts. Essentially, if the device is a remote, then udev does not set x11_driver. Since x11_driver is not set, Xorg ignores the device completely. Oh good, that is still possible. Could you tell me how? I couldn't work out what to do, or even if there was anything I could do, from the udev docs. It's gone in master (and probably soon from debian/ubuntu). The server just grabs everything marked with ID_INPUT by udev. As Xorg is not the only input device handler, this would seem to be a bug / design flaw that should be fixed before 1.8 is released. If not, distributions will need to hack around it in their udev scripts by clearing ID_INPUT whenever they do not want Xorg to grab the device. To add more detail to Dan's comment, the server ignores devices without ID_INPUT set. Any device that has ID_INPUT set will be matched against the input attributes in the xorg.conf.d and - if successful - added to the server. If a device does not have a matching xorg.conf.d section or the x11_driver already set by udev, it will not be added. Cheers, Peter ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg
