[xubuntu-users] weird xscreensaver-command doings
Hi, Usually my favorite screen-blanking routine is this: cancel out all screensavers in xscreensaver-demo, and then issue xscreensaver-command -lock every time I want a locked screen (have Super+L as the hotkey for this). In the past screensaver-command -lock would create a blank screen that would remain blank until spacebar etc. is struck and the lock dialog box appears. Now, the lock dialog box is stuck in a viscous circle with PAM. The lock dialog box always stays "awake" and on-screen until it times out. Then PAM takes over, box appears, ad infinitum. The screen never returns to a state when the screen remains black until a key is struck. Having the lock dialog box and PAM chase each other is distracting. How do I get back to a previous stage where the lock dialog box only appears when a key is struck? Am I going the wrong way with my use of xscreensaver-command? I'm running Aardvark pre-alpha. If this is an early bug, I deserve running an ultra-unstable version of ubuntu. Thanks, Jordan -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] Looking for a Light Weight GUI Text Viewer
John, I know you asked for a gui text viewer solution, but nevertheless try the 'less' command is in the terminal. It's a lot simpler than downloading something from a repository. Just type 'less '. less will stop page-by-page. You can also use your cursor keys to move up and down. just type 'q' to leave. Jordan On 05/28/2017 12:09 AM, John R. Sowden wrote: I use Mousepad to view text files. The problem is when I want to edit a file, and use 'recent files', and all of the ones that I was viewing show up, not just the ones that I was editing. Is there a text viewing program, similiar to mousepad that allowing this? Neither the Ubuntu Software Center nor Google were my friends. John -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
[xubuntu-users] Firefox 53.0 unable to highlight text
The ability to highlight and copy text is absent in Firefox 53.0. If this has been addressed by a newer version, I will download the Firefox update. Still, I do need the function back. I could post a bug report, but I suspect someone already has. How do I restore this ability, as I use it very frequently. Thanks Jordan -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] Strange improper behavior on my Xubuntu 16.04 laptop
Check to see what video the laptop uses. If you can find out the name and version of the video chipset, install the proper driver. Always check the repositories first to see if a driver is there. Often an older version of a driver still exists in repository. Sometimes there's a bit of trial-and-error required to pinpoint the necessary driver version. Jordan On 01/26/2017 04:02 PM, MR ZenWiz wrote: I have an HP 8710w laptop that I use most often on weekends or when I'm visiting friends. Starting a couple of days ago, the following strange behavior began to manifest on it. 1. The right mouse button has no effect on the open desktop screen space. It's supposed to bring up a menu and it doesn't. The button works fine inside any open window, just not on the desktop. 2. The desktop is supposed to be a dark green, but as soon as any window is opened, or even the panels, the background where the window/panel is goes to the ubuntu default background minus the mouse image. 3. If I try to change the desktop settings with the settings manager, they don't take. In fact nothing happens at all. It''s as if there is no desktop manager. I'm running lightdm version 1.18.3 if that matters. It's unchanged from the install. However, I may have overwritten my .config settings from a backup of another computer (by accident - my safeguard against this failed). I just ran a full update and rebooted, and it is still happening. Where are the settings kept for the desktop or the window manager and can I manipulate them manually (if that is wise)? Any suggestions welcome. Thanks, MR -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] lenovo desktop
Hi VIctor, Try combining sensors with the watch command (-n 2 is usually enough time resolution). That way, when the fans act up, you'll have real-time temp feedback. I don't know what the "appropriate file" is, but a real-time two second delay information might help you pinpoint the problem. Jordan On 01/24/2017 03:57 PM, Victor Forberger wrote: - Fans run full speed. Tried sensors-detect, which came up with little more than Core Temp, which I then manually added to the appropriate file. No change in behavior. But, when I boot from the latest kernel but in recovery mode, the fans run at normal pace and the computer is nearly silent. Thanks, Victor -- Victor Forberger vforber...@fastmail.fm blog: http://linuxatty.wordpress.com -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] xubuntu-users Digest, Vol 120, Issue 29
I agree Peter that even for people running ubuntu flavors on super-fast gamer boxes, it's good to try to economize on applications. However, suggesting that new users use the command line interface (cli) as an economization measure might not often be wise. Many people, especially "millennials", may never have seen a command prompt before. Many linux users take cli for granted, given our familiarity with past computing systems completely run by text command. New users often need gui front-ends to compensate. Who can blame many new users given their sole experience with highly graphical environments? This is why I'd say it's better for a new ubuntu user to over-equip their systems with RAM. gui counterparts of commands should be as easy and quick as possible. Jordan As in ham radio morse, 73 SK CL (out of this discussion for good) On 01/21/2017 05:28 PM, Peter Flynn wrote: There are things you can do to lessen the demands on memory -- one is to run Xubuntu so that you use xfce as your interface instead of Unity (Unity sucks all your memory into a black hole). Use lighter software: eg Claws-Mail instead of Thunderbird. Use AbiWord instead of LibreOffice. Use command-line utilities instead of graphical ones. Unfortunately on the web browser front, they all seem to be memory-hogs. ///Peter -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] Wifi issues
I noticed that the link signal is about half what it should be. Sometimes, when you're on the edges of a standard wifi system (~15m direct path), you will experience a slow or unreliable connection. Try moving closer to the wifi source. Also, try testing the laptop from a few different locations. Jordan On 01/07/2017 05:09 PM, Ambre wrote: wlp1s0IEEE 802.11abgn ESSID:"SFR-45f0" Link Quality=32/70 Signal level=-78 dBm -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] Is there a Linux Distro with MS Word Pre installed?
Many Linux users have to dual-boot Windows and a Linux flavor simply because they need one or two Windows programs that are crucial to their work etc. Don't think of this as a failure to fully adapt to Linux. Consider this the reality of living in a MS world. I'm writing an doctoral dissertation in LibreOffice. It's not a lightweight word processor. Documents can be saved in .docx for colleagues using Word. So far my colleagues haven't had difficulty reading LibreOffice composed files that are translated to .docx Jordan On 01/12/2017 03:07 PM, Will wrote: I would like to leave Windows forever but I need MS Word. Does anyone know of an easy to install Linux distro with MS Word included? By included I mean when installed MS word is ready to use with no involved configuration. Thank you William Tabacchi -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] partition intermittently mounts: dying hard drive or bug?
Thanks for your help, fred. Everything seems "clean" now, but I should perform these checks regularly now that some inconsistencies have appeared. Jordan On 01/11/2017 10:03 AM, fred roller wrote: Though maybe the current drive can be salvaged (it's only four years old -- do drives die that fast now?). Three years is the average life expectancy but the actual life span is measured in running hours which your disk brand's total life can be looked up on the net. Ugh, I thought that was the case. Magnetic storage is inexpensive these days. It'd be unprofitable for a manufacturer to develop a five-year or seven-year hard drive. :-( -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
[xubuntu-users] partition intermittently mounts: dying hard drive or bug?
Hi, My external hard drive tends, on occasion, to spontaneously unmount a logical partition. Sometimes, the partition does not mount at all. Usually, going back and manually mounting the partition is fine. I'm wondering: is this a hardware or software problem? Something tells me I should just do a final backup, brick the drive, and just start over. Though maybe the current drive can be salvaged (it's only four years old -- do drives die that fast now?). Jordan -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] Repository driver for nvidia laptop card NVS3100M?
On 12/29/2016 03:10 AM, François P. Rotzinger wrote: Hi, Some time ago, I installed 16.04.1 (Unity) on a T410s with the same graphics card. After the installation of the proprietary drivers, I could even switch between the Intel and nVidia graphics, whereby logout/login was required, but no reboot. Good luck! François Thanks for the info, François. I found that a generic repository nvidia driver will work. In this case, it was nvidia-304 (nvidia-common). This driver is appropriate given the age of the video card. I remember using 304 around 2010 with a nvidia 512MB desktop card. The video card on the T510 is also 512MB. So far xscreensaver seems to be working. I will try to be more detailed in a bug report if necessary. I don't think this is a zesty issue though. Jordan -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
[xubuntu-users] Repository driver for nvidia laptop card NVS3100M?
Hi, Would anyone know if the repositories contain a driver for the nvidia NVS3100M laptop video card? The box is a Lenovo T510 (built 2010 but bought a week ago; old refurbished boxen are fine for my needs.) For some reason the laptop is iffy with xscreensaver. Sometimes it works fine, and other times it causes video distortion (screen blank, not refreshing). Not a hardware problem, as the laptop works just fine with xscreensaver disabled. Maybe fitting the right driver might help. Bug report already filed. There are some ppa's out there for nvidia drivers, but the laptop at hand is far too old for anything an experimental ppa would burp up. Thanks, Jordan -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] Failing to load xubuntu 16.04.1 iso from either USB stick or DVD
Hi Chris, I noticed that your thumb drive mounts to /dev/sdb. What is /dev/sda? The internal drive? If that's the case, try using your bootup menu to boot only from the thumb drive. This can be done by excluding all other possible bootup media _except_ the thumb drive. Then see if you get a clean mount and xubuntu startup appears. If not, try the same method, but now with the DVD drive only. Jordan On 12/13/2016 07:38 AM, Chris Green wrote: I am trying to get an xubuntu 16.04.1 iso to boot into 'try out xubuntu' mode on an Acer Aspire One 751h netbook. It's failing from both DVD and USB stick with very similar error messages. -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] Wierd problem with gmusicbrowser, plays at double time (i.e. too fast)
Hi Chris, Just two suggestions. First, make sure that ubuntu-restricted-extras && ubuntu-restricted-addons are installed, or reinstall them. Second, afterwards try the audio player package audacious. I use it to access streaming internet radio. audacious uses tabs to switch between different streams or system files. Audacious is _not_ a video streaming app, so you probably will have to retain vlc if you're interested in that. Jordan On 11/30/2016 04:55 PM, Chris Green wrote: Just to be sure I also tried logging in to the guest account on xubuntu 16.04 and playing something with VLC. Identical choppy sound again. -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] Adobe Flash
Hi Harold, Maybe you should consider a complete switch over to Ubuntu instead of running MacOS/Ubuntu dual boot. I'd understand if you'd be hesitant to make a full jump into Ubuntu if this is your only computer. If you can experiment on this computer without losing important data, try running one of the Ubuntu flavors only. Firefox for Linux is up-to-date with every coding language. You'll probably find that LibreOffice in Ubuntu runs faster than old versions of MS Office in MacOS. Some will direct you towards Lubuntu, the LXDE flavor of Ubuntu. LXDE requires a lot of terminal use (many functions aren't accessible through the GUI). Maybe it'd be better to stay with xubuntu while learning about Linux. I've always wanted to run a PPC with an Ubuntu flavor, so perhaps I'm just envious ;-) Jordan On 11/12/2016 08:32 AM, Harold Cheyney wrote: The computer, by the way, is an IMac G5 with Power PC processor, vintage about 2005, which had become largely unusable due to the very outdated Safari browser. Apple abandoned support about 5 years ago. Other browsers available for this computer, such as firefox, are old versions that do not function very well on today's internet either. The old Safari does, however, function well enough on Youtube, which Ubuntu does not. A friend who is a programmer helped me install Ubuntu. He divided the hard drive into sectors with MacOS on one and Ubuntu on the other. Thanks for your help. Harold -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] Thunderbird filter backups?
Kim, I'll RTFM next time. Thanks for the help. Jordan On 10/28/2016 11:07 PM, Kim Briggs wrote: http://superuser.com/questions/439451/where-does-thunderbird-store-message-filters-and-how-can-i-import-them -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
[xubuntu-users] Thunderbird filter backups?
Off topic, I know, but are there any Thunderbird users here? How do I make a backup of the message filters? Is this possible? It's easy enough to back up the emails, but the filter information doesn't travel alongside the backed up emails. Thanks, Jordan -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] Funny problem with VLC
Hi Jeffrey, When a media source is plugged into ubuntu linux, the drive is auto-mounted to /media. This might not be a good place for your external drive to end up. See if remounting the drive somewhere else allows you to access your external drive. 1) Close VLC and open a terminal window. 2) type 'lsblk'. (I don't think you will need sudo, but throw a sudo in there if needed.) This will give you a tree diagram of your mounted drives, drive data capacities, and /dev assignments. This should help you track down where your external drive is in the /dev hierarchy. 3) find and write down the /dev assignment for your external drive. 4) Y'know what, leave /media as it is. The external drive can be mounted at two places at once. 5) Create some directory for the /dev to point to. You will need to use 'sudo mkdir' off the root, should you wish to create a directory one layer off root (your call). 6) mount the external drive like this: --> (6a) 'sudo mount /dev/[/dev drive assignment] /[name of target directory], where [/dev drive assignment] is a code such as sda1, sdb2 etc. [name of target directory] refers to the directory you have just created as a destination for the external drive Now try accessing your media files off the external drive with VLC, drawing data from the target directory. Good luck and Happy Motoring, Jordan On 06/16/2016 02:34 AM, Jeffrey Needle wrote: Hi. Just installed Xubuntu, 64-bit. Fully updated. I prefer VLC for playing media. For some reason, VLC isn't reading my external drive where I have the videos I want to watch. Parole Media Player finds it just fine. Anyone have any idea how I can fix this? I've tried navigating to the drive, but I can't find it anywhere in VLC's program. Many thanks. -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
[xubuntu-users] 16.10 Yakkety alpha: signs and symptoms?
Hi, I usually go bold and run the early development version of the next release. Is there anything I should look for in 16.10 Yakkety alpha? canonical-kernel-team ppa and xubuntu-dev ppa work fine. Nice to be on kernel 4.6.0. Thanks Jordan -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
[xubuntu-users] changing ownership on thumb drive
Hi, I'm having some weird issues with thumb drive ownership. Steps: 1) 'sudo blkid' to call up the thumb drive assignment 2) 'sudo mount /dev/sd* /thumb' [where /dev/sd* is the drive assignment, and /thumb a directory off of the root] ---> 2a) [NB: /thumb is owned by the local account (here, 'blah') __before__ the mount command. Afterwards, the mounted thumb drive is owned by 'root' and can't be changed] 3) 'sudo touch /thumb' [for some reason, I get the default DEC 31 1969 when I mount the thumb drive] but, when I type 'sudo chown -R blah:blah /thumb', [where 'blah' is the local account], I get 'chown: changing ownership of '/thumb': Operation not permitted' *** The chown switches -R or --recursive do not work. [there are subdirectories on the thumb drive, and I would like all subdirectories to be changed to 'blah' ownership] I suspect that the system's assignment of a wrong date/time to the drive might block the ownership change even after 'touch'. Is 'touch' counterproductive? I have disabled automounting of thumb drives or indeed anything not in fstab [ie. hard drive]. I have removed the /media directory. Any ideas? Thanks, Jordan -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] Install software
Please don't be so hard on yourself. I learn new commands or command syntaxes every day, usually by searching the web for examples and then reading man. Perhaps even Linus Torvalds himself learns new features about the kernel every day. The most difficult selling point for any linux flavor is the dreaded "do I have to learn how to type commands?" Most people's eyes glaze over at the thought of a terminal screen. They'd rather spend money on a newer and faster systems to run bloated Windows releases than learn how to handle a leaner kernel which can run on much simpler hardware. I am convinced that anyone, and especially myself, can learn linux well. Really, it's a matter of time-investment -- not everyone has the time to learn libreoffice, for example, when their entire workplace uses MS Office. Good luck! Jordan On 05/10/2016 02:56 PM, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: On 2016/05/11 0:39, Petter Adsen wrote: On Tue, 10 May 2016 23:18:23 +0900 Thomas Blasejewiczwrote: Do I really have to do that terminal typing acrobatics for each and every piece of software You don't have to, but you can. It pays off to learn how to use basic things like apt, and it's not complicated. Petter Thank you, but I doubt that. I believe I did learn a number of "terminal tricks" along the way, but ... I have been desparately struggling for EIGHT years (on and off), trying to get friendly with Linux (multiple machines, multiple flavors ...) in order to get away from Windows, but still am not getting anywhere. I guess that means I am too stupid and should not be allowed anywhere near a computer. -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] Why no default mount?
I prefer that Linux _not_ mount my non-fstab drives automatically. Often I run a mix of file systems (ie ext4 magnetic media and vfat thumb drives) in one session. I'd rather that Linux "ignores" the vfat thumb drives until I can mount them to file directories I'd prefer. A lot of this has to do with my use of the thumb drives on semi-secured public terminal systems. The terminals are Windows, so I have no choice other than use vfat media and be careful. It would be probably be best to partition a drive with a dedicated partition for a non-Linux file system, or set aside an entire drive devoted to a non-Linux file system. I have some desktops salted away for later use. Perhaps if ubuntu is on to a new nine-month release by then, I'll investigate new partition or drive format options. Thanks, Jordan On 05/07/2016 12:11 AM, Curt Dawe wrote: Guys, I have used various operating systems. Windows in most all flavors, Mandrake back in the day, Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Mint Cinnamon, iOS, Mac, etc. Still, one thing about Linux that sorta makes me go ... "Hmmm?" That is: If I want Xubuntu or Mint or ... whatever others ... to auto mount all disk drives on boot in my machine, I have to go into some GUI or fiddle with the fstab file to have that happen. Am I just a total noob or is there some other reason(s), other than security I guess, for Linux to do things that way? See, I have my Xubuntu machine set up as a little media server using TVmobili. So, for me, I need my drives to auto mount on boot so that the TVmobili service can have access to the media on each disk drive. Why no auto mount? And why no auto detect of graphics hardware to the point that Linux goes ... "OK .. buddy has an nVidia blah blah card ... sooo, let's put that driver as default. I love Linux and I think if Linux could make a few tiny steps like that ... well, man, Linux might get MAJOR traction in this world. Sorry ... being philosophical tonight ... forgive me. :D Curt D. NL, Canada -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] OT: better bootable thumb drive creator than unetbootin?
Thanks for the info Roger. I tried this tip from Ubuntu Forums, and it worked: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1701757=0937dde2c165a345f0348a97e368b84c=11804095#post11804095 http://goo.gl/s5Sb3y It was just a matter of changing variables in the syslinux.cfg file. Thanks Jordan On 04/30/2016 09:57 AM, Roger wrote: Try tuxboot.org <http://tuxboot.org> I've had mixed success booting from thumb drives. CDs / DVDs have worked better, even when booting from an external drive via USB. Also interesting is http://archtyriel.kinja.com/turn-your-flash-drive-into-the-most-useful-tool-on-your-946943684 Let us know what works. On April 30, 2016 8:24:57 AM EDT, JMZ <florent...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, Okay OT but someone here must know. I've never been able to create a bootable thumb drive from iso using unetbootin. Specifically, I need to make a dban thumb drive to wipe a netbook (no cd drive). unetbootin gives me a menu of scripts on bootup. This menu is useless. Seems that a lot of the thumb drive creation software is written as windows software for windows users who want to create a bootable linux distro iso. That doesn't help me. Better ideas? Thanks Jordan -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
[xubuntu-users] OT: better bootable thumb drive creator than unetbootin?
Hi, Okay OT but someone here must know. I've never been able to create a bootable thumb drive from iso using unetbootin. Specifically, I need to make a dban thumb drive to wipe a netbook (no cd drive). unetbootin gives me a menu of scripts on bootup. This menu is useless. Seems that a lot of the thumb drive creation software is written as windows software for windows users who want to create a bootable linux distro iso. That doesn't help me. Better ideas? Thanks Jordan -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
[xubuntu-users] canonical-kernel-team and 16.04 xenial?
Hi, For several years I have been using the canonical-kernel-team ppa to update my kernels faster than usual. https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa It appears that this ppa isn't ready for xenial, or at least a development version. The repositories reject the ppa apt-get, and the key doesn't work. A downgrade to wily is not working either. Is there a newer/better kernel development ppa which covers xenial? Rather, must I wait and see if or when the canonical-kernel-team ppa comes around to a xenial ppa (probably when the final release is made public)? Jordan -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users