Re: [xubuntu-users] Authoring tools: Was Is there a Linux Distro with MS Word Pre installed?#

2017-01-14 Thread Peter Flynn 
On 01/14/2017 07:02 PM, pereira wrote:
>   for TeX on a debian-based system do
> sudo apt-get install texlive*

You probably want to add an editor. texstudio is good, so is kile; both
are debian packages. I use emacs, but that's just me :-)

You will also need biber if you are creating documents with
bibliographics references using biblatex (the old BiBTeX styles and
program are now obsolescent).

I can't remember if the process-control script latexmk comes with
texlive or if it's a separate package, but it's good for managing the
build of complex documents.

Plus a decent PDF viewer like evince or qpdfview. The Okular viewer has
a fancy LH margin bar which won't go away, and which wastes a lot of
screen space, although its print control is better than the others.

This lot under Ubuntu IMNSHE provides the best TeX environment.

> be careful. It's about 1 Gb so it takes some time.

The package to install is actually texlive-full, but I suspect texlive*
will do that for you.

///Peter

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Re: [xubuntu-users] Authoring tools: Was Is there a Linux Distro with MS Word Pre installed?#

2017-01-14 Thread Chris Green 
On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 02:58:32PM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 1/14/2017 12:13 PM, Chris Green wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 11:20:59AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > >http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.html
> > >http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.txt
> > > 
> > > The key portion of the later is:
> > > "The `What Next?`_ section below has links to further resources, 
> > > including a
> > > formal reference."
> > > That demonstrates generating >90% of the instances of hyper linking I 
> > > would
> > > need.
> > > Off page references appear to be as simple.
> > > 
> > > I use Debian. What should I "apt-get install" to produce a similar 
> > > document.
> > > I perhaps take the ideal of "minimal footprint" to an extreme ;/
> > > 
> > It's python-docutils (or python3-docutils), is that what you meant?
> > 
> 
> Evidently yes. When I replied my Debian box wasn't handy. python-docutils
> was evidently installed when I specified the Mate DE on installation. I
> wanted to avoid installing as corpulent package such as the Tex related one
> that pereira mentioned.
> 
Yes, I think docutils is included in many/most distributions by default.

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Re: [xubuntu-users] Authoring tools: Was Is there a Linux Distro with MS Word Pre installed?#

2017-01-14 Thread Richard Owlett 

On 1/14/2017 12:13 PM, Chris Green wrote:

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 11:20:59AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

   http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.html
   http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.txt

The key portion of the later is:
"The `What Next?`_ section below has links to further resources, including a
formal reference."
That demonstrates generating >90% of the instances of hyper linking I would
need.
Off page references appear to be as simple.

I use Debian. What should I "apt-get install" to produce a similar document.
I perhaps take the ideal of "minimal footprint" to an extreme ;/


It's python-docutils (or python3-docutils), is that what you meant?



Evidently yes. When I replied my Debian box wasn't handy. 
python-docutils was evidently installed when I specified the Mate 
DE on installation. I wanted to avoid installing as corpulent 
package such as the Tex related one that pereira mentioned.




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Re: [xubuntu-users] Authoring tools: Was Is there a Linux Distro with MS Word Pre installed?#

2017-01-14 Thread pereira 

  for TeX on a debian-based system do
sudo apt-get install texlive*

be careful. It's about 1 Gb so it takes some time.

Nino


On 01/14/2017 01:13 PM, Chris Green wrote:

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 11:20:59AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

   http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.html
   http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.txt

The key portion of the later is:
"The `What Next?`_ section below has links to further resources, including a
formal reference."
That demonstrates generating >90% of the instances of hyper linking I would
need.
Off page references appear to be as simple.

I use Debian. What should I "apt-get install" to produce a similar document.
I perhaps take the ideal of "minimal footprint" to an extreme ;/


It's python-docutils (or python3-docutils), is that what you meant?




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Re: [xubuntu-users] Authoring tools: Was Is there a Linux Distro with MS Word Pre installed?#

2017-01-14 Thread Chris Green 
On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 11:20:59AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
>   http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.html
>   http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.txt
> 
> The key portion of the later is:
> "The `What Next?`_ section below has links to further resources, including a
> formal reference."
> That demonstrates generating >90% of the instances of hyper linking I would
> need.
> Off page references appear to be as simple.
> 
> I use Debian. What should I "apt-get install" to produce a similar document.
> I perhaps take the ideal of "minimal footprint" to an extreme ;/
> 
It's python-docutils (or python3-docutils), is that what you meant?

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Re: [xubuntu-users] Authoring tools: Was Is there a Linux Distro with MS Word Pre installed?

2017-01-14 Thread Richard Owlett 

On 1/14/2017 10:16 AM, Chris Green wrote:

On 1/14/2017 6:40 AM, Chris Green wrote:

[snip]
reStructuredText is a markup laguage (i.e. it's similar to Markdown)
but is designed for the job.  It's quite readable in its native form
and has conversion software for (I think, I haven't actually checked)
HTML, LateX and others.

See:- http://docutils.sourceforge.net

I use it quite a lot for writing my own documentation and notes.



I picked up on that you use it for writing notes.
I have been looking for a note taking tool. A requirement is that it has
some sort of hyperlinking capability. I've yet to come across anything
personally attractive.


reStructuredText can do hyperlinks but if you think about it
hyperlinks in text are rather difficult to tie down.


*GRIN* That's why I hadn't found a satisfying candidate.


It depends a lot
on the context how the hyperlink should work.



The link you gave points to low level detail information.
It conceals what I'm looking for.


Yes, I'm aware that the reStructuredText 'home' pages drop you in at
rather a low level.

There's a rather more 'user friendly' entry point at:- 
http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html


It has two links which provide effective propaganda.
  http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.html
  http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.txt

The key portion of the later is:
"The `What Next?`_ section below has links to further resources, 
including a formal reference."
That demonstrates generating >90% of the instances of hyper 
linking I would need.

Off page references appear to be as simple.

I use Debian. What should I "apt-get install" to produce a 
similar document. I perhaps take the ideal of "minimal footprint" 
to an extreme ;/










To use a (possibly) poor analogy, I'm looking for a page written by
"marketing" rather than "engineering". It would likely be in a format that
would be natural for Wikipedia.


There is a Wikipedia entry too:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReStructuredText




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Re: [xubuntu-users] Authoring tools: Was Is there a Linux Distro with MS Word Pre installed?

2017-01-14 Thread Chris Green 
> On 1/14/2017 6:40 AM, Chris Green wrote:
> > [snip]
> > reStructuredText is a markup laguage (i.e. it's similar to Markdown)
> > but is designed for the job.  It's quite readable in its native form
> > and has conversion software for (I think, I haven't actually checked)
> > HTML, LateX and others.
> >
> > See:- http://docutils.sourceforge.net
> >
> > I use it quite a lot for writing my own documentation and notes.
> >
>
> I picked up on that you use it for writing notes.
> I have been looking for a note taking tool. A requirement is that it has
> some sort of hyperlinking capability. I've yet to come across anything
> personally attractive.
>
reStructuredText can do hyperlinks but if you think about it
hyperlinks in text are rather difficult to tie down.  It depends a lot
on the context how the hyperlink should work.


> The link you gave points to low level detail information.
> It conceals what I'm looking for.

Yes, I'm aware that the reStructuredText 'home' pages drop you in at
rather a low level.

There's a rather more 'user friendly' entry point at:- 
http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html

> To use a (possibly) poor analogy, I'm looking for a page written by
> "marketing" rather than "engineering". It would likely be in a format that
> would be natural for Wikipedia.

There is a Wikipedia entry too:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReStructuredText

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Re: [xubuntu-users] Authoring tools: Was Is there a Linux Distro with MS Word Pre installed?

2017-01-14 Thread Richard Owlett 

On 1/14/2017 6:40 AM, Chris Green wrote:

[snip]
reStructuredText is a markup laguage (i.e. it's similar to Markdown)
but is designed for the job.  It's quite readable in its native form
and has conversion software for (I think, I haven't actually checked)
HTML, LateX and others.

See:- http://docutils.sourceforge.net

I use it quite a lot for writing my own documentation and notes.



I picked up on that you use it for writing notes.
I have been looking for a note taking tool. A requirement is that 
it has some sort of hyperlinking capability. I've yet to come 
across anything personally attractive.


The link you gave points to low level detail information.
It conceals what I'm looking for.
To use a (possibly) poor analogy, I'm looking for a page written 
by "marketing" rather than "engineering". It would likely be in a 
format that would be natural for Wikipedia.

Thank you.




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Re: [xubuntu-users] Authoring tools: Was Is there a Linux Distro with MS Word Pre installed?

2017-01-14 Thread Chris Green 
On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 09:34:59PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 22:48:51 +
> Peter Flynn  wrote:
> 
> Markdown is very limited, but what it does it does well, fast, and easy
> for the author to read without conversion on every glance (or that
> horror of horrors, WYSIWYG). I think I can add paragraph character
> styles, within the format of Markdown, with low-distraction tags. The
> result would be a Markdown doc that I could parse as XML (perhaps after
> an HTML to XML conversion), with the ability to incorporate any
> arbitrary character or paragraph style you want.
> 
> Although this can't, by itself, handle book specialties such as
> footnotes and bibliographies, it can create (I assume) XHTML that can
> easily be converted to web, ePub, or LaTeX, with all appearance ruled
> by CSS or LaTeX stylesheets.
> 
reStructuredText is a markup laguage (i.e. it's similar to Markdown)
but is designed for the job.  It's quite readable in its native form
and has conversion software for (I think, I haven't actually checked)
HTML, LateX and others.

See:- http://docutils.sourceforge.net

I use it quite a lot for writing my own documentation and notes.

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[xubuntu-users] Authoring tools: Was Is there a Linux Distro with MS Word Pre installed?

2017-01-13 Thread Steve Litt 
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 22:48:51 +
Peter Flynn  wrote:

> On 01/13/2017 02:24 AM, pereira wrote:
> > FWIW, I use Libreoffice whenever someone in the MS Windows world
> > sends me a document in .doc or .docx format. So far I've had no
> > problems with sending them back documents made by Libreoffice and
> > exported into docx (which actually tends to shorten the file length
> > compared to Libreoffice's native format).
> > 
> > Still, I vastly prefer writing in TeX.  
> 
> Yes, I recommend LaTeX for formatting any large-scale or complex
> document. It is hugely more reliable and powerful than any
> wordprocessor, and has the advantages that it runs identically on any
> platform, and that there is a huge support ecosystem of people using
> it. It's also free software, in both senses of the phrase.
> 
> (Actually, for writing and editing a complex book or thesis, I would
> prefer XML, which can be transformed to LaTeX for formatting. But this
> is still not easy, as the XML editors out there are designed for
> experts, not for authors.)

Hi Peter and periera,

I have a germ of an idea for authoring documents in a write once, read
everywhere format.

Markdown is very limited, but what it does it does well, fast, and easy
for the author to read without conversion on every glance (or that
horror of horrors, WYSIWYG). I think I can add paragraph character
styles, within the format of Markdown, with low-distraction tags. The
result would be a Markdown doc that I could parse as XML (perhaps after
an HTML to XML conversion), with the ability to incorporate any
arbitrary character or paragraph style you want.

Although this can't, by itself, handle book specialties such as
footnotes and bibliographies, it can create (I assume) XHTML that can
easily be converted to web, ePub, or LaTeX, with all appearance ruled
by CSS or LaTeX stylesheets.

I haven't done this yet, but it looks to me like a very realistic way
to author the kind of books I write.

SteveT

Steve Litt 
December 2016 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century
http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21

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