Re: [xubuntu-users] Dual Boot With Windows and Xuduntu !6.04 Help
Excuse the top-posting but it makes sense in this case - UEFI involved. First, I suggest getting a handle on what UEFI is about. Read, read, read. My plan is to sketch it out before I do my next install - noting the relationship between different partitions, boot loader location, etc. There is a good discussion of UEFI and installation at Now check out Ubuntu UEFI Documentation on how to install: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI and, https://askubuntu.com/questions/927924/how-to-install-ubuntu-in-uefi-mode Here's another ref: https://askubuntu.com/questions/221835/how-do-i-install-ubuntu-alongside-a-pre-installed-windows-with-uefi short url: https://is.gd/ffovSK If ya want to go nuts about UEFI, https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/about-uefi My brain can't wrap around that yet. Some advise to shrink the Win partition using disk management tools in Windows, noting that one may not be able to squeeze it too far because of some unmovable info store on the disk. Space: over the years, I've learned that Windows is a real hog for space. I just reinstalled Win-7 because I was running out of space on a 50 GB partition; I increased it to 75 GB! My partitioning for Xubuntu is: /boot 3.3 GB, 4% used / 35 GB, 16% /home 73 GB, 25% Root is symbolized as "/" and is where most of the executable software lives. I use a 128 GB SSD for the the OSes - Windows and Linux, with room to spare. /home is on a second SSD. No swap partition is needed. If swap space is needed, create a swap file but the need is rare if you have a goodly amount of ram - probably not with 4 GB and almost certainly not with 8GB of ram. Linux is very good at managing memory / ram. Observations: it will pay in the long run to learn about UEFI. It is "the wave of the future." Constrains claim that UEFI is a Microsoft plot of some sort. Not so. While MS was involved, and naturally so, Intel and others were heavily involved (see Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface). Simply stated, UEFI goes beyond GRUB, and adds powerful and desirable functionality that is not available in the bios, etc. We gotta learn about it sooner or later. Sooner is better if UEFI is on your new computer. My comments may not apply to distros other then Ubuntu and not to older versions, e.g., pre-16.04. On 01/02/2018 03:52 PM, leegold wrote: in addition it says: gpt On Tue, Jan 2, 2018, at 11:50 AM, leegold wrote: What should I know to install 16.04 64 onto a Toshiba laptop with UEFI? Or should I install newest non-LTS 17.10 version (but I read there were some nasty issues with UEFI and 17.10). Do I need to disable secure boot? Assume I do. Shrunk C: for Linux space. The HD has 5 partitions. From “left to right”: 300MB Recovery 100MB EFI System C: 500GB “where the exiting Win10 lives” 92GB Unallocated, gained from shrinking C:, aim to put / and swap parts. there. 891MB Recovery From what I read Grub has to “play nice” with EFI. My question is, when I install, where do I install Grub? What do I do? I see an EFI partition and don’t want to “hose” anything. There are lots of recopies and concoctions when I google. Thanks. -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users -- Roger linux@gmail.com -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] Dual Boot With Windows and Xuduntu !6.04 Help
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Peter Flynn wrote: > On 02/01/18 20:52, leegold wrote: > >> in addition it says: gpt >> > > All I can offer is what I found when installing on a Dell XPS 15 > > GPT is some type of partition format, I think. I had to use gparted while > booted from the USB in order to reformat with gpt. > > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018, at 11:50 AM, leegold wrote: >> >>> What should I know to install 16.04 64 onto a Toshiba laptop with UEFI? >>> >> > I was told several times (and I had concluded anyway) that I should *not* > use UEFI. > > Or should I install newest non-LTS 17.10 version (but I read there were >>> some nasty issues with UEFI and 17.10). >>> >>> Do I need to disable secure boot? Assume I do. >>> >> > I set the BOOS to secure boot disabled, and legacy boot enabled (ie no > UEFI). That worked. > > Shrunk C: for Linux space. The HD has 5 partitions. From “left to right”: >>> >>> 300MB Recovery >>> 100MB EFI System >>> C: 500GB “where the exiting Win10 lives” >>> 92GB Unallocated, gained from shrinking C:, aim to put / and swap >>> parts. there. >>> 891MB Recovery >>> >> > My assumption would be that the 4th partition is the one that needs > establishing as GPT before formatting. But I may have misunderstood this, > as I was using the whole disk. > > From what I read Grub has to “play nice” with EFI. My question is, when >>> I install, where do I install Grub? What do I do? I see an EFI partition >>> and don’t want to “hose” anything. There are lots of recopies and >>> concoctions when I google. >>> >> > I don't know the answer to this as it's a dual boot. I assume that Linux > installers will see that Windows is installed, and put a working Grub on > the boot area of the primary partition. Apparently in a single-install > (Linux-only), the installers no longer create a boot partition but install > Grub on the main partition. > > But again, this is largely guesswork on my part — as you say, the web > pages disagree wildly. > > ///Peter > > > > -- > xubuntu-users mailing list > xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailm > an/listinfo/xubuntu-users > FWI, this article should shine some light into the process: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI Ubuntu being the parent to Xubuntu should clear some information up. Personally, if you had it to spare I would pull the original HDD and put another in (any small HDD of 50GB+ would do) to at least practice the dual boot unless you can protect the recovery partition. In Linux avoiding it is usually straight forward. Wish I had more info. I burned all my Windows machines some time ago and went with Linux like Cortez and his ships. I have helped business clients build dual boot systems, though it has been a minute. HIT. Fred -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] Dual Boot With Windows and Xuduntu !6.04 Help
On 02/01/18 20:52, leegold wrote: in addition it says: gpt All I can offer is what I found when installing on a Dell XPS 15 GPT is some type of partition format, I think. I had to use gparted while booted from the USB in order to reformat with gpt. On Tue, Jan 2, 2018, at 11:50 AM, leegold wrote: What should I know to install 16.04 64 onto a Toshiba laptop with UEFI? I was told several times (and I had concluded anyway) that I should *not* use UEFI. Or should I install newest non-LTS 17.10 version (but I read there were some nasty issues with UEFI and 17.10). Do I need to disable secure boot? Assume I do. I set the BOOS to secure boot disabled, and legacy boot enabled (ie no UEFI). That worked. Shrunk C: for Linux space. The HD has 5 partitions. From “left to right”: 300MB Recovery 100MB EFI System C: 500GB “where the exiting Win10 lives” 92GB Unallocated, gained from shrinking C:, aim to put / and swap parts. there. 891MB Recovery My assumption would be that the 4th partition is the one that needs establishing as GPT before formatting. But I may have misunderstood this, as I was using the whole disk. From what I read Grub has to “play nice” with EFI. My question is, when I install, where do I install Grub? What do I do? I see an EFI partition and don’t want to “hose” anything. There are lots of recopies and concoctions when I google. I don't know the answer to this as it's a dual boot. I assume that Linux installers will see that Windows is installed, and put a working Grub on the boot area of the primary partition. Apparently in a single-install (Linux-only), the installers no longer create a boot partition but install Grub on the main partition. But again, this is largely guesswork on my part — as you say, the web pages disagree wildly. ///Peter -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] Dual Boot With Windows and Xuduntu !6.04 Help
in addition it says: gpt On Tue, Jan 2, 2018, at 11:50 AM, leegold wrote: > What should I know to install 16.04 64 onto a Toshiba laptop with UEFI? > > Or should I install newest non-LTS 17.10 version (but I read there were > some nasty issues with UEFI and 17.10). > > Do I need to disable secure boot? Assume I do. > > Shrunk C: for Linux space. The HD has 5 partitions. From “left to right”: > > 300MB Recovery > 100MB EFI System > C: 500GB “where the exiting Win10 lives” > 92GB Unallocated, gained from shrinking C:, aim to put / and swap > parts. there. > 891MB Recovery > > From what I read Grub has to “play nice” with EFI. My question is, when > I install, where do I install Grub? What do I do? I see an EFI partition > and don’t want to “hose” anything. There are lots of recopies and > concoctions when I google. > > Thanks. > > -- > xubuntu-users mailing list > xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
