[Yade-users] Removing contact laws

2012-06-06 Thread Bruno Chareyre
Hi all,

I'd like to remove some of the contact laws which are in Yade. Some of
them are unmaintained and/or broken and/or duplicates, and too many
contact laws is only making the choice uneasy.
If you are using some of the contact laws listed below, please reply to
this message, else it will be removed eventually.

Law2_Dem3Dof_CSPhys_CundallStrack
Law2_Dem3DofGeom_FrictPhys_CundallStrack
Law2_SCG_MomentPhys_CohesionlessMomentRotation
Law2_Dem3DofGeom_CpmPhys_Cpm
Law2_Dem3DofGeom_RockPMPhys_Rpm
Law2_L3Geom_FrictPhys_ElPerfPl
Law2_L6Geom_FrictPhys_Linear

More details at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/yade/+spec/cleancontactlaws

Bruno

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Re: [Yade-users] Removing contact laws

2012-06-06 Thread Bruno Chareyre
I opened a question, please reply here:
https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/199540
Law2_Dem3DofGeom_CpmPhys_Cpm was in the list by mistake, I know it's used.

Bruno


On 06/06/12 09:46, Bruno Chareyre wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'd like to remove some of the contact laws which are in Yade. Some of
 them are unmaintained and/or broken and/or duplicates, and too many
 contact laws is only making the choice uneasy.
 If you are using some of the contact laws listed below, please reply
 to this message, else it will be removed eventually.

 Law2_Dem3Dof_CSPhys_CundallStrack
 Law2_Dem3DofGeom_FrictPhys_CundallStrack
 Law2_SCG_MomentPhys_CohesionlessMomentRotation
 Law2_Dem3DofGeom_CpmPhys_Cpm
 Law2_Dem3DofGeom_RockPMPhys_Rpm
 Law2_L3Geom_FrictPhys_ElPerfPl
 Law2_L6Geom_FrictPhys_Linear

 More details at
 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/yade/+spec/cleancontactlaws

 Bruno



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[Yade-users] [Question #199540]: Who is usung these contact laws?

2012-06-06 Thread Chareyre
New question #199540 on Yade:
https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/199540

Hi all,

I'd like to remove some of the contact laws which are in Yade. Some of them are 
unmaintained and/or broken and/or duplicates, and too many contact laws is only 
making the choice uneasy.
If you are using some of the contact laws listed below, please reply to this 
message, else it will be removed eventually.

Law2_Dem3Dof_CSPhys_CundallStrack
Law2_Dem3DofGeom_FrictPhys_CundallStrack
Law2_SCG_MomentPhys_CohesionlessMomentRotation
Law2_Dem3DofGeom_RockPMPhys_Rpm
Law2_L3Geom_FrictPhys_ElPerfPl
Law2_L6Geom_FrictPhys_Linear

More details at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/yade/+spec/cleancontactlaws

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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #199540]: Who is usung these contact laws?

2012-06-06 Thread Chiara Modenese
Question #199540 on Yade changed:
https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/199540

Status: Open = Answered

Chiara Modenese proposed the following answer:
Hi Bruno,

If I am not wrong:

Law2_SCG_MomentPhys_CohesionlessMomentRotation is a duplicate of 
Law2_ScGeom6D_CohFrictPhys_CohesionMoment (but with less features than the 
latter)
Law2_SCG_MomentPhys_CohesionlessMomentRotation is the only Law that implements 
the rolling resistance using quaternions (actually there is something similar 
about twist_creep in Law2_ScGeom6D_CohFrictPhys_CohesionMoment) which I would 
not recommend as I am not sure it always gives the expected result (has anybody 
tested it properly?)
In principle the rolling resistance implemented in 
Law2_SCG_MomentPhys_CohesionlessMomentRotation does not seem to be doing 
anything different than what is already implemented in 
Law2_ScGeom6D_CohFrictPhys_CohesionMoment which, however, uses an incremental 
fashion (a copy of what I introduced in the Law2_ScGeom_MindlinPhys_Mindlin 
Law) that seems to work fine from what I gathered
Why do you say it implements irreversible rolling friction?

Finally, I would remove it if nobody is using it.

Thanks!
Chiara


On 6 Jun 2012, at 09:01, Chareyre wrote:

 New question #199540 on Yade:
 https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/199540
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'd like to remove some of the contact laws which are in Yade. Some of them 
 are unmaintained and/or broken and/or duplicates, and too many contact laws 
 is only making the choice uneasy.
 If you are using some of the contact laws listed below, please reply to this 
 message, else it will be removed eventually.
 
 Law2_Dem3Dof_CSPhys_CundallStrack
 Law2_Dem3DofGeom_FrictPhys_CundallStrack
 Law2_SCG_MomentPhys_CohesionlessMomentRotation
 Law2_Dem3DofGeom_RockPMPhys_Rpm
 Law2_L3Geom_FrictPhys_ElPerfPl
 Law2_L6Geom_FrictPhys_Linear
 
 More details at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/yade/+spec/cleancontactlaws
 
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Re: [Yade-users] Removing contact laws

2012-06-06 Thread Anton Gladky
Please, do not remove Law2_Dem3DofGeom_RockPMPhys_Rpm

Anton


2012/6/6 Bruno Chareyre bruno.chare...@hmg.inpg.fr:
 I opened a question, please reply here:
 https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/199540
 Law2_Dem3DofGeom_CpmPhys_Cpm was in the list by mistake, I know it's used.

 Bruno



 On 06/06/12 09:46, Bruno Chareyre wrote:

 Hi all,

 I'd like to remove some of the contact laws which are in Yade. Some of them
 are unmaintained and/or broken and/or duplicates, and too many contact laws
 is only making the choice uneasy.
 If you are using some of the contact laws listed below, please reply to this
 message, else it will be removed eventually.

 Law2_Dem3Dof_CSPhys_CundallStrack
 Law2_Dem3DofGeom_FrictPhys_CundallStrack
 Law2_SCG_MomentPhys_CohesionlessMomentRotation
 Law2_Dem3DofGeom_CpmPhys_Cpm
 Law2_Dem3DofGeom_RockPMPhys_Rpm
 Law2_L3Geom_FrictPhys_ElPerfPl
 Law2_L6Geom_FrictPhys_Linear

 More details at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/yade/+spec/cleancontactlaws

 Bruno



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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #199540]: Who is usung these contact laws?

2012-06-06 Thread Anton Gladky
Question #199540 on Yade changed:
https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/199540

Anton Gladky proposed the following answer:
Please, do not remove Law2_Dem3DofGeom_RockPMPhys_Rpm

Anton

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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #199540]: Who is usung these contact laws?

2012-06-06 Thread Chareyre
Question #199540 on Yade changed:
https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/199540

Chareyre posted a new comment:
Chiara: I was remembering the discussion on elastic unloading for rolling (what 
I called irreversible) but I didn't know in which law it had been 
implemented. You confirm that it is in 
Law2_SCG_MomentPhys_CohesionlessMomentRotation. In that case the law has 
something specific and shouldn't be removed, I think.
Concerning twist_creep, it is relatively well tested (by us). It has 
similarities and served as an example for rolling IIRC, but it is very 
different, it's the normal component of torque and it defines a viscous creep.


Anton: Ok.

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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #199540]: Who is usung these contact laws?

2012-06-06 Thread Chiara Modenese
Question #199540 on Yade changed:
https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/199540

Chiara Modenese proposed the following answer:

On 6 Jun 2012, at 10:40, Chareyre wrote:

 Question #199540 on Yade changed:
 https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/199540
 
 Chareyre posted a new comment:
 Chiara: I was remembering the discussion on elastic unloading for rolling 
 (what I called irreversible) but I didn't know in which law it had been 
 implemented. You confirm that it is in 
 Law2_SCG_MomentPhys_CohesionlessMomentRotation. In that case the law has 
 something specific and shouldn't be removed, I think.

OK. Yes, there was a discussion but I cannot find the link to it right
now. This irreversible behaviour happens in all the Yade Laws where
the rolling is implemented so it is not specific to
Law2_SCG_MomentPhys_CohesionlessMomentRotation. The details of the
implementation, however, are different (use of quaternions versus
incremental implementation). Do you think that this could be a good
reason for keeping it?

 Concerning twist_creep, it is relatively well tested (by us). It has
similarities and served as an example for rolling IIRC, but it is very
different, it's the normal component of torque and it defines a viscous
creep.

Yes, I understood it is different but with a similar form.

Cheers,
Chiara

 
 
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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #199540]: Who is usung these contact laws?

2012-06-06 Thread Chareyre
Question #199540 on Yade changed:
https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/199540

Status: Answered = Open

Chareyre is still having a problem:
This irreversible behaviour happens in all the Yade Laws where the
rolling is implemented so it is not specific to
Law2_SCG_MomentPhys_CohesionlessMomentRotation.

I was not sure of that.

 The details of the implementation, however, are different (use of
quaternions versus incremental implementation). Do you think that this
could be a good reason for keeping it?

Maybe not, if the difference is only in implementation. Boon is not
using SMR?

Bruno

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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #199540]: Who is usung these contact laws?

2012-06-06 Thread Chiara Modenese
Question #199540 on Yade changed:
https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/199540

Status: Open = Answered

Chiara Modenese proposed the following answer:

On 6 Jun 2012, at 11:41, Chareyre wrote:

 Question #199540 on Yade changed:
 https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/199540
 
Status: Answered = Open
 
 Chareyre is still having a problem:
 This irreversible behaviour happens in all the Yade Laws where the
 rolling is implemented so it is not specific to
 Law2_SCG_MomentPhys_CohesionlessMomentRotation.
 
 I was not sure of that.
OK.


 
 The details of the implementation, however, are different (use of
 quaternions versus incremental implementation). Do you think that this
 could be a good reason for keeping it?
 
 Maybe not, if the difference is only in implementation.

I believe that is the only difference but I have not tested much because
I started to use the incremental formulation (which I did test but
versus other implementations like Plassiard's formulation - still
incremental). Maybe we could keep it for future reference in case that
kind of use of quaternions became useful.


 Boon is not
 using SMR?
I think he has used it a long time ago for some background analyses but nothing 
more than that (not sure if he still reads the mailing list so I will have to 
ask him about it and then let you know).

Chiara


 
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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #199540]: Who is usung these contact laws?

2012-06-06 Thread Chareyre
Question #199540 on Yade changed:
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Chareyre posted a new comment:
Maybe we could keep it for future reference in case that kind of use of
quaternions became useful.

It's in svn/bzr/git history anyway. Nothing will be lost.

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[Yade-users] [Question #199585]: how can i simulate rolling friction?

2012-06-06 Thread Christian Jakob
New question #199585 on Yade:
https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/199585

Hi,

I want to model a sand with Hertz-Mindlin-Contact law and rolling friction.

1. Is it possible to do so in yade and if yes, how?

I tried to combine a material with rolling stiffness and hertz model:

...
#define material:
id_SphereMat=O.materials.append(CohFrictMat(young=young_modulus,poisson=poisson_ratio,density=rho_p,frictionAngle=angle,alphaKr=roll_stiff))
...
InteractionLoop(
...
[Ip2_FrictMat_FrictMat_MindlinCapillaryPhys()],
[Law2_ScGeom_MindlinPhys_Mindlin()]
),
...

but this seems to have no effect on behavior of the particles.

2. What would be a good value for lets say a well rounded sand? Has anyone 
experience with rolling stiffness?

Thanks in advance,

Christian

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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #199585]: how can i simulate rolling friction?

2012-06-06 Thread Luc Scholtès
Question #199585 on Yade changed:
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Luc Scholtès posted a new comment:
Hi Jacob,

For the 2nd point, you may want to have a look at the paper from
Plassiard: http://www.springerlink.com/content/16688jw766197204/ (I can
send it to you if you cannot download it).

For the 1st point, I cannot help... I though that combining 2
constitutive laws was possible but, actually, I never tried...

Luc

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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #199540]: Who is usung these contact laws?

2012-06-06 Thread Chiara Modenese
Question #199540 on Yade changed:
https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/199540

Chiara Modenese proposed the following answer:

On 6 Jun 2012, at 13:55, Chareyre wrote:

 Question #199540 on Yade changed:
 https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/199540
 
 Chareyre posted a new comment:
 Maybe we could keep it for future reference in case that kind of use of
 quaternions became useful.
 
 It's in svn/bzr/git history anyway. Nothing will be lost.
Great. In which case, I suggest to remove it so to avoid confusion and/or 
malfunctioning due to poor testing.
Chiara


 
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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #199585]: how can i simulate rolling friction?

2012-06-06 Thread Christian Jakob
Question #199585 on Yade changed:
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Christian Jakob posted a new comment:
Thanks for the fast answers.

@Luc: download successful ...

@jduriez:

Here, Ip2_FrictMat_FrictMat_MindlinCapillaryPhys() has two major drawbacks :
- it uses material data of FrictMat type, whereas you want to use 
CohFrictMat..
- it computes interaction data of MindlinCapillaryPhys(), while your law needs 
MindlinPhys..

MindlinCapillaryPhys and MindlinPhys are working equal, when
Law2_ScGeom_CapillaryPhys_Capillarity is not active.

However, linking these values with the rounded feature of the grains is
a task too difficult for me...

What do you mean with that?

For further explanations: 
I perform pour cone tests to get the natural repose angle (ca. 30 degree for 
well rounded sand). While increasing friction parameter I can get 24-25 degree 
as maximum repose angle, so I thought including rolling friction will help me 
getting the right repose angle to verify my model ...

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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #199585]: how can i simulate rolling friction?

2012-06-06 Thread Chiara Modenese
Question #199585 on Yade changed:
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Chiara Modenese proposed the following answer:
Hi Jacob,

As for point 1:
I introduced the rolling friction in HM Law some time ago. Please have a look 
at the documentation, in particular at:
https://yade-dem.org/doc/yade.wrapper.html?highlight=includemoment#yade.wrapper.Law2_ScGeom_MindlinPhys_Mindlin.includeMoment
https://yade-dem.org/doc/yade.wrapper.html#yade.wrapper.Ip2_FrictMat_FrictMat_MindlinPhys.eta
https://yade-dem.org/doc/yade.wrapper.html?highlight=krot#yade.wrapper.Ip2_FrictMat_FrictMat_MindlinCapillaryPhys.krot

@Luc: It is not about combining two contact laws but everything can be
dealt with inside one contact model (resistance to rolling is a separate
additional feature, in fact).

As for point 2:
It is entirely up to the calibration procedure.

Chiara


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On 6 Jun 2012, at 14:11, Christian Jakob wrote:

 New question #199585 on Yade:
 https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/199585
 
 Hi,
 
 I want to model a sand with Hertz-Mindlin-Contact law and rolling friction.
 
 1. Is it possible to do so in yade and if yes, how?
 
 I tried to combine a material with rolling stiffness and hertz model:
 
 ...
 #define material:
 id_SphereMat=O.materials.append(CohFrictMat(young=young_modulus,poisson=poisson_ratio,density=rho_p,frictionAngle=angle,alphaKr=roll_stiff))
 ...
   InteractionLoop(
   ...
   [Ip2_FrictMat_FrictMat_MindlinCapillaryPhys()],
   [Law2_ScGeom_MindlinPhys_Mindlin()]
   ),
 ...
 
 but this seems to have no effect on behavior of the particles.
 
 2. What would be a good value for lets say a well rounded sand? Has anyone 
 experience with rolling stiffness?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Christian
 
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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #199585]: how can i simulate rolling friction?

2012-06-06 Thread Christian Jakob
Question #199585 on Yade changed:
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Christian Jakob posted a new comment:
@chiara:

Thanks, will

...
#define material:
id_SphereMat=O.materials.append(FrictMat(young=young_modulus,poisson=poisson_ratio,density=rho_p,frictionAngle=angle))
...
 InteractionLoop(
  ...
  [Ip2_FrictMat_FrictMat_MindlinCapillaryPhys(krot=roll_stiff)],
  [Law2_ScGeom_MindlinPhys_Mindlin(includeMoment=True)]
  ),

work in my case?

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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #199585]: how can i simulate rolling friction?

2012-06-06 Thread Chiara Modenese
Question #199585 on Yade changed:
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Chiara Modenese proposed the following answer:

On 6 Jun 2012, at 15:10, Christian Jakob wrote:

 Question #199585 on Yade changed:
 https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/199585
 
 Christian Jakob posted a new comment:
 @chiara:
 
 Thanks, will
 
 ...
 #define material:
 id_SphereMat=O.materials.append(FrictMat(young=young_modulus,poisson=poisson_ratio,density=rho_p,frictionAngle=angle))
 ...
 InteractionLoop(
  ...
  [Ip2_FrictMat_FrictMat_MindlinCapillaryPhys(krot=roll_stiff)],
  [Law2_ScGeom_MindlinPhys_Mindlin(includeMoment=True)]
  ),
 
 work in my case?
It should, indeed. Mind that you can also define eta parameter if you want to 
set a maximum plastic moment.
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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #199585]: how can i simulate rolling friction?

2012-06-06 Thread jduriez
Question #199585 on Yade changed:
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jduriez posted a new comment:
However, linking these values with the rounded feature of the grains
is a task too difficult for me...

What do you mean with that?

I meant that I can not point a good value of the rolling stifness,
only from the information that the sand is well rounded (as you asked)

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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #199585]: how can i simulate rolling friction?

2012-06-06 Thread Christian Jakob
Question #199585 on Yade changed:
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Status: Answered = Solved

Christian Jakob confirmed that the question is solved:
ok, thanks everybody!

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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #199585]: how can i simulate rolling friction?

2012-06-06 Thread Christian Jakob
Question #199585 on Yade changed:
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Christian Jakob confirmed that the question is solved:
Thanks Chiara Modenese, that solved my question.

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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #192224]: MemoryError in saveTmp

2012-06-06 Thread ceguo
Question #192224 on Yade changed:
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Status: Answered = Open

ceguo is still having a problem:
Hello,

As I monitored the memory usage during the simulation (system monitor in
Ubuntu), I did observe a continuous increase of the memory occupation. I
only use O.saveTmp(string) and O.loadTmp(string) in the code with
string indicating the name of the temporary memory. I suppose the
memory could be overwritten since I set the same name. But it may be
safer if we have a function like O.releaseTmp(string) to free the
memory manually. Anyway I have no knowledge on memory handling in
python. Hope someone can kindly offer some suggestions or do some tests
on this.

Ning

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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #192224]: MemoryError in saveTmp

2012-06-06 Thread Anton Gladky
Question #192224 on Yade changed:
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Status: Open = Answered

Anton Gladky proposed the following answer:
Hi,

please, provide a simple test script and file the bug.

Thanks.

Anton

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