LAN Sync Yojimbo? (was Re: newbie question)

[TjL]

On Dec 12, 2007 12:25 PM, William Reising <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I use BusySync. It works great for sharing calendars with my wife. The
> only drawback is that it only works with Macs on the same local network.

I still wish there was some way to sync Yojimbo on the LAN vs .Mac,
which simply doesn't work for me.  I suspect there's simply too much
data there and .Mac is choking on it.

So far I haven't found anything that can do it, which is really too bad.

TjL

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Re: newbie question

[William Reising]

I use BusySync. It works great for sharing calendars with my wife. The  
only drawback is that it only works with Macs on the same local network.


On Dec 11, 2007, at 10:46 AM, Adrian Ross wrote:


On 12/12/2007, at 6:13 AM, Robert DeLaurentis wrote:


On Dec 11, 2007, at 8:46 AM, Andrew Janjigian wrote:


Ah, but the problem (for us) with that is that we want to share
calendars & contacts, so separate accounts are no good.


I have not tried it, but Leopard's address book allows sharing and  
edits by multiple users. Perhaps that would help.


And for calendars, maybe BusySync would be useful - it lets you  
share calendars between multiple users. I've never used it myself  
though. http://www.busymac.com/


Adrian

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Re: newbie question

[Jan Erik Moström]

Steve Kalkwarf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07-12-11 11.51


Ah, but the problem (for us) with that is that we want to share
calendars & contacts, so separate accounts are no good.


What we do in our house is cross-publish calendars. I tried all 
sorts of evil tricks to allow my calendars to be multi-writer, 
and they never worked out.


Same here, we publish some of our calendars to a server and 
subscribe to each other - not perfect but it has worked well for 
the last year or so.

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Re: newbie question

[Adrian Ross]

On 12/12/2007, at 6:13 AM, Robert DeLaurentis wrote:


On Dec 11, 2007, at 8:46 AM, Andrew Janjigian wrote:


Ah, but the problem (for us) with that is that we want to share
calendars & contacts, so separate accounts are no good.


I have not tried it, but Leopard's address book allows sharing and  
edits by multiple users. Perhaps that would help.


And for calendars, maybe BusySync would be useful - it lets you share  
calendars between multiple users. I've never used it myself though. http://www.busymac.com/


Adrian

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Re: newbie question

[Andrew Janjigian]

> The way all the parts are wired together, using .Mac and more
> than 1 Library is a non-starter.

That's what I figured.

>
> You might be better served with a .Mac family license, allowing
> you and your wife to keep separate Libraries and sync states.

Ah, but the problem (for us) with that is that we want to share
calendars & contacts, so separate accounts are no good.

aj

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Re: newbie question

[Robert DeLaurentis]

On Dec 11, 2007, at 8:46 AM, Andrew Janjigian wrote:


Ah, but the problem (for us) with that is that we want to share
calendars & contacts, so separate accounts are no good.


I have not tried it, but Leopard's address book allows sharing and  
edits by multiple users. Perhaps that would help.


b

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Re: newbie question

[Steve Kalkwarf]

You might be better served with a .Mac family license, allowing
you and your wife to keep separate Libraries and sync states.


Ah, but the problem (for us) with that is that we want to share
calendars & contacts, so separate accounts are no good.


What we do in our house is cross-publish calendars. I tried all 
sorts of evil tricks to allow my calendars to be multi-writer, 
and they never worked out.


For contacts, I keep everything in Address Book, and my wife 
keeps nothing there, so that wasn't a factor.



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Re: newbie question

[Robert DeLaurentis]

On Dec 11, 2007, at 8:05 AM, Andrew Janjigian wrote:


However, I would still like it if you could have more than one YJ
library at a time (and sync them all over a single dotmac account) so
that my wife and I could have separate buckets. Given that individulal
dotmac accounts are probably very often used by families of users,
this seems a reasonable idea. I'd even be willing to pay for a second
license to do so.


There is a way to do this, although not exactly how you described:

Create two users on a single Mac.

Sign up for a Family Pack .Mac account, which provides each person  
with sync storage.


As for blessing the concept of two or more users sharing a single user  
account on a single Mac, that seems unlikely to me, given that  
multiple user accounts and fast user switching are available.


b

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Re: newbie question

[Steve Kalkwarf]

However, I would still like it if you could have more than one YJ
library at a time (and sync them all over a single dotmac account) so
that my wife and I could have separate buckets. Given that individulal
dotmac accounts are probably very often used by families of users,
this seems a reasonable idea. I'd even be willing to pay for a second
license to do so.


The way all the parts are wired together, using .Mac and more 
than 1 Library is a non-starter.


You might be better served with a .Mac family license, allowing 
you and your wife to keep separate Libraries and sync states.



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Re: newbie question

[Andrew Janjigian]

It took me awhile to get used to the "one-bucket" system at first, but
once I did, it is now second nature. I prefer having everything in one
place now.

However, I would still like it if you could have more than one YJ
library at a time (and sync them all over a single dotmac account) so
that my wife and I could have separate buckets. Given that individulal
dotmac accounts are probably very often used by families of users,
this seems a reasonable idea. I'd even be willing to pay for a second
license to do so.

aj

On Dec 11, 2007 8:32 AM, Steve Kalkwarf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Here's my question about Yojiimbo. If I'm understanding right,
> >there's essentially only one database for the Yojimbo
> >application. Even if I want to use Yojimbo to "catalog" stuff
> >for several very different things, they will all be together
> >when I open  Yojimbo. However, I can tag them separately to
> >differentiate them. Are there other ways that I can keep the
> >various mutually exclusive parts of my life apart in Yojimbo?
>
> I've never managed to make any part of my life exclusive from
> any other part. :-)
>
> If I'm surfing the web, and I find something related to work, I
> don't ignore it: I stuff it in Yojimbo for attention when I'm
> back on the clock. Likewise, if I'm at work, and somebody
> mentions a great movie I should see, I don't tune it out: I
> Yojimbo it.
>
> One of the design principles behind Yojimbo was that you
> shouldn't have to switch "modes" (or documents) in order to
> enter data. In my opinion, having to decide which Library to put
> something in is too much decision making up front, and it
> reduces the chance you'll put the information into _any_ Library.
>
> Tags are one way to let you split information up, and because
> tags add information to an item instead of segregating items off
> into separate compartments, you don't incur the "Where did I
> file that?" cost when you want to find an item again.
>
> Collections are another collating mechanism, but depending on
> how you enter information, they can be awkward to use efficiently.
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Re: newbie question

[Steve Kalkwarf]

Here's my question about Yojiimbo. If I'm understanding right, 
there's essentially only one database for the Yojimbo 
application. Even if I want to use Yojimbo to "catalog" stuff 
for several very different things, they will all be together 
when I open  Yojimbo. However, I can tag them separately to 
differentiate them. Are there other ways that I can keep the 
various mutually exclusive parts of my life apart in Yojimbo?


I've never managed to make any part of my life exclusive from 
any other part. :-)


If I'm surfing the web, and I find something related to work, I 
don't ignore it: I stuff it in Yojimbo for attention when I'm 
back on the clock. Likewise, if I'm at work, and somebody 
mentions a great movie I should see, I don't tune it out: I 
Yojimbo it.


One of the design principles behind Yojimbo was that you 
shouldn't have to switch "modes" (or documents) in order to 
enter data. In my opinion, having to decide which Library to put 
something in is too much decision making up front, and it 
reduces the chance you'll put the information into _any_ Library.


Tags are one way to let you split information up, and because 
tags add information to an item instead of segregating items off 
into separate compartments, you don't incur the "Where did I 
file that?" cost when you want to find an item again.


Collections are another collating mechanism, but depending on 
how you enter information, they can be awkward to use efficiently.



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Re: newbie question

[Sebastian Stark]

On 11.12.2007, at 12:54, Dennis Bretz wrote:
Here's my question about Yojiimbo. If I'm understanding right,  
there's essentially only one database for the Yojimbo application.  
Even if I want to use Yojimbo to "catalog" stuff for several very  
different things, they will all be together when I open  Yojimbo.  
However, I can tag them separately to differentiate them. Are there  
other ways that I can keep the various mutually exclusive parts of  
my life apart in Yojimbo?


No matter what you use (collections, tags, labels): everything ends up  
in your one and only library. All that Yojimbo offers is different  
views, not separation of data.


You can use collections to logically separate items. But collections  
are not very useful if you use the quick input panel a lot. As you  
said, you can use tags. Neither way provides real separation of data.



Sebastian

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