Re: [yoper-dev] Weekly iso test report

2007-01-22 Thread Mark
On Monday 22 January 2007 19:41, Tobias Gerschner wrote:

>
> 2007/1/23, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > A quick note of how the install of the Weekly iso 3 went.
> >
> > I installed to a partition on my main system which was already
> > partitioned into a 9 gig root, 512mb swap and 40 gig home.
> > The install went smoothly and I chose to manually add the info to my
> > existing bootloader, so I cannot comment on how well Yoper picked up the
> > other partitions on there.
>
> It completely doesn't do that yet. So if someone knows an helpful
> tool. I am all ears.
>
> > Issues found are -
> >
> > 1 As in the VMWare install, the CD is not detected after rebooting the
> > first time, despite following the comments on the forum about only
> > inserting CD when asked. To add the CD so I could grab the various files,
> > I needed to add the installcd option which is mentioned in the forum (the
> > info I received from Tobias in the irc chat).
>
> Will look into it again. Having problems to verify that here. It works
> here. So without seeing the error I am walking in the dark.
>

No error message - just no cd added to the smart channels. 


> > 2 No GUI is installed - presumably because of the CD issue above. I had
> > no problems getting the gui installed once I could add the CD to the
> > smart channels. This needs to be sorted for users however!
>
> Yes, the basic package configuration does install a working gui + the
> smart package manager gui.
>

Frustrating then that the install fails to add the cd - or even recognise it. 
As has been mentioned before, it has to be manually added - the cd has to be 
mounted manually afterwards.
Carlos makes a good point that we need to avoid forcing the users into a 
command line. Whilst we are all happy to use it, there are plenty who really 
don't!

> > 3 Powernow fails. I thought it may be simply down to the VMWare install I
> > was using before, but it still fails - despite powernow working on the
> > same system with other distros. Not a vital issue, but another small
> > niggle which users will pick up on.
>
> Error Message ?
>

Will dig it out. It is possible that I have disabled powernow in the bios (I 
do that sometimes as it affects the game Deus Ex )


> > 4 Sound. A horrific mess here! During install, all seemed to be OK - the
> > alsaconf thing came up and correctly identified the card etc. However,
> > when attempting to use the system, the Soundserver crash dialog was
> > coming up every second or so at times! So frequently that it was unusable
> > - I could not even type into a command line to kill artsd as the focus
> > kept being stolen by the sound server crash box! Attempting to sort it
> > via the Sound System box from the System menu was useless - it kept
> > locking up/crashing the soundserver etc. I disabled the sound system in
> > there but it kept throwing up the soundserver crash box.

>The error is simple, solution unknown tho. The arts sound system is
>using a kde media player to play its sounds. That media player is
>present in the kdemultimedia package. It's seperated now and a smart
>install noatun may sort the issue. If so please tell me, so that I can
>adjust the package selection.

Quite likely to be the issue - playing a CD via Kaffeine works fine! Seems to 
be artsd related. Will see what happens with the install mentioned.


>
>> 5 Packages. As I mentioned before, I think smartpm-gui needs to be 
installed
>> as part of the gui system so users can use smart without resorting to the
>> command line.
>> Also I still think the smart channel which is there by default is 
incorrect.
>What channels do you have ? Please show me smart channel --show

As per Chaks' post in the forum. I don't seem to get any connection to the 
server - I get a time out error. Could be something wrong here though! 

>> What should the correct channel actually be? I am currently using just the 
CD.
>> Because of the problems with the soundserver, I was limited to a few test
>>package installs. These ran fine - smart works well. I did find Firefox
>> failed to both add an icon to either the desktop or Internet section of the
> >menu, and also failed to actually work. Even launching from a command line, 
I
>>got nothing - no error messages but no Firefox either. That may be me -
>> perhaps some dependancy is missing from the spec?

>No idea, I do smart install firefox all the time on a very basic system.

>And well we want to iron out the negative things. So just keep
>mentioning them. Thanks a lot for testing !

Thats what I did here - smart installed Firefox - the program is installed, I 
get the option to right click and select open with Firefox, but I haven't 
tried that.  I have tried reinstalling it, but still nothing.  Will continue 
to look into that one ;)

About to add the nvidia drivers so I can start seeing how things work for 
gaming etc ;)

Mark
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RE: [yoper-dev] Weekly iso test report

2007-01-22 Thread Carlos López
Thanks Mark for you feedback. I fully agree about the smart-gui issue, I 
also think desktop users have some sort of panic to commanline, thus we 
can't force them to traverse this frightening situation :-D Imho I 
consider that a healthy channel configuration should be offered to users 
out-of-the-box as well. Ignoring this will only do more a more new testing 
users undestimate the quality of this distro; stability and speed won't be 
enough for many, easy and usability will mark the difference.


Although I haven't tested the latest Yoper ISO yet (I will tho), I think is 
quite worrying all the sound problem you have experienced. I'll pay especial 
attention to this when I do my own installation and I think everyone should 
do the same


Best regards! ;-)


From: Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: yoper-dev@lists.yoper.com
Subject: [yoper-dev] Weekly iso test report
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:32:44 +

A quick note of how the install of the Weekly iso 3 went.

I installed to a partition on my main system which was already partitioned
into a 9 gig root, 512mb swap and 40 gig home.
The install went smoothly and I chose to manually add the info to my 
existing

bootloader, so I cannot comment on how well Yoper picked up the other
partitions on there.

Issues found are -

1 As in the VMWare install, the CD is not detected after rebooting the 
first

time, despite following the comments on the forum about only inserting CD
when asked. To add the CD so I could grab the various files, I needed to 
add

the installcd option which is mentioned in the forum (the info I received
from Tobias in the irc chat).

2 No GUI is installed - presumably because of the CD issue above. I had no
problems getting the gui installed once I could add the CD to the smart
channels. This needs to be sorted for users however!

3 Powernow fails. I thought it may be simply down to the VMWare install I 
was

using before, but it still fails - despite powernow working on the same
system with other distros. Not a vital issue, but another small niggle 
which

users will pick up on.

4 Sound. A horrific mess here! During install, all seemed to be OK - the
alsaconf thing came up and correctly identified the card etc. However, when
attempting to use the system, the Soundserver crash dialog was coming up
every second or so at times! So frequently that it was unusable - I could 
not
even type into a command line to kill artsd as the focus kept being stolen 
by

the sound server crash box! Attempting to sort it via the Sound System box
from the System menu was useless - it kept locking up/crashing the
soundserver etc. I disabled the sound system in there but it kept throwing 
up

the soundserver crash box.
Are others having this issue? I am prepared to look into it if it is 
common.


5 Packages. As I mentioned before, I think smartpm-gui needs to be 
installed

as part of the gui system so users can use smart without resorting to the
command line.
Also I still think the smart channel which is there by default is 
incorrect.

What should the correct channel actually be? I am currently using just the
CD.
Because of the problems with the soundserver, I was limited to a few test
package installs. These ran fine - smart works well. I did find Firefox
failed to both add an icon to either the desktop or Internet section of the
menu, and also failed to actually work. Even launching from a command line, 
I

got nothing - no error messages but no Firefox either. That may be me -
perhaps some dependancy is missing from the spec?

Sorry this all sounds a bit negative. I think the system is looking good 
and

is fast! But these little issues will be picked up by users and we need to
consider them before a final release I think.

Mark
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