Re: [Zen] Re: God
although we..the group might tiff a bitt now and then... it's good to air things... i am sure there is much accord after all we are not all robots singing the same tune.. diversity adds flavour i am curious chris ... what is your life story if i maybe so bold to ask? enjoy your week at the edge of the atlantic ocean merle I am often charged with having no sense of humor, indeed and in person. A defensive posture adopted for often being puzzled by human interaction. I will try to act from a stance that all here have good will. I myself am about to pack up my zafu for a trip back to my family of origin, to share a week at the edge of the Atlantic Ocean and welcome my new niece. I will probably have even more time to write here than normally. May these bits find all of us well, free of suffering and well in our body/minds and our interrelating. http://www.zensoaps.com Love, Chris Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jun 18, 2013 6:57 PM, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: Merle, Chris and Joe... Chris' post was well thought out. His posts usually are, even the ones I disagree with. In this one I especially liked his observation that especially on this site Everyone that writes here has I think missed the mark from time to time. I do think however a good deal of Chris' discomfort with Joe's posts are more of style than substance. Joe uses humor, which sometimes leads to quips and sarcasm. Some people take those more personally and harshly than others. Chris' style is pretty much straight-up and more consistently serious. Merle's style seems to be completely spontaneous and somewhat quirky at times. Edgar? Well, Edgar is just Edgar. Anyway I don't think anybody here is trying to hurt anyone's feelings or purposely trying to offend. There is sometimes jabs here and there (I certainly jab sometimes), but I assume that's just to get someone's attention or emphasis a point. Those are my thoughts on this...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:  a comforting well thought out post chris...merle  I think the inescapable meanness in your words here show very well that there is no permanent essence attached to persons or to awakening. Sometimes Merle's words show she gets it, at that time. Sometimes your words show that. Everyone that writes here has I think missed the mark from time to time. That’s a good lesson-we aren't really separate from one another and sometimes we join the dance eyes open and sometimes eyes closed, so our partners make way for us. I respect your long history of practise and achievement, but with language like every and compared and more advanced I think you show us that no amount of practise is enough. You may hold to an essential difference between yourself and Merle and I as less advanced, but today I do not see that dividing line. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jun 17, 2013 6:42 PM, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote: Chris, I've seen Merle trivialize it, in every post.  Hi, Cous'!  Luv ya. Compared to / with her posts, Americans are more advanced in practice than you and me. Trivialize?  I'm an old man, C.  This goes / has gone with the territory.  But, find yourself in a community of practitioners, and you will find critical mass. Looky-here, C.: there's Zen; and, there's hooey.  I think it's always been so.  When it comes to Zen... only a Practitioner, well, knows.  We forgive all trivializations.  How could anyone else know?  We know that practice is necessary.  And we try to extend our appreciation of our practice to others.  But do not proselytize. This is why I teach.  To the extent that I do.  Since 1980. I don't forgive my (your) culture; and, I don't indict it.  It takes a Certain Maturity, to take up our Practice.  You won't find it online.  Usually.  Rare exceptions.  Bill!, and me;  Mike; and you.  Maybe some lurkers.  And Mr. Zendervish, here, certainly.  Kudos, and hail!, all non-fuddlers! --Joe Chris Austin-Lane chris@ wrote: http://www.thesatoriteacompany.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IK735YHVtA http://zenhabits.net/ I believe you must simply be failing to understand my words here.  You've never seen US culture trivialize zen? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Zen] Re: fingernails for sale
bill..you are so so right...merle Merle, From a capitalistic point of view nothing is 'sacred' or 'off-limits' to buy and sell. We buy and sell animals, people, children, internal organs stolen from living people. Some things are illegal but nothing is 'sacred' - from a capitalistic point of view. 'Priceless'? That's probably just be a starting point in a commecial negotiation. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:  bill..i am referring to the monetary value..noting escapes the dollar..all is for sale..is nothing sacred and priceless?...merle  Merle, No, nothing is sacred. Nothing is damned. It's only our dualistic, discriminating mind that makes it seem that way. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@ wrote:  bill i only realised after i posted this... they do sell fingernails...acrylic ones... is nothing sacred ?..merle  Merle, It could be worse...they could be offering for sale their live mother's fingernails... :( ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@ wrote:  bill!..yes anything to make a quid!... i have a saying: those same folk would sell their dead mother's fingernails !..merle  Merle, ...and as you and Chris noted in an early post they've already started selling Buddha Nature and enlightenment... ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@ wrote: ÃÆ'‚ excellent billÃÆ'‚ never dreamt of the day in australia when they would sell water..now it is so...and next will be air...and bottled sunshine..merle ÃÆ'‚ Chris, Merle, Joe, et al... Could you get anymore trivial and any more true than the saying which is also the title of a book: selling water by the river? What is more trivial than water? What is more precious than water? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@ wrote: ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ yes chris..you are on the correct path to this trivial...i think edgar calls it comic book zen...merle ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ http://www.thesatoriteacompany.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IK735YHVtA http://zenhabits.net/ I believe you must simply be failing to understand my words here. ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ You've never seen US culture trivialize zen?ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ http://cherrycrime26.hubpages.com/hub/Meditation-Techniques-To-Manifest-Money http://www.zenprofits.com/ http://www.amazon.com/Soul-Centered-Transform-Your-Weeks-Meditation/dp/1401935869 Oh well,ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Chris Thanks, --Chris chris@ +1-301-270-6524 On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Joe desert_woodworker@ wrote: Chris, I never heard such stuff. ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Dunno where you may be coming from. It may be just a geographic or cultural proclivity, or merely and importantly personal. I hope you and your chosen teacher will take these things up, if they are important in (Zen) practice. Best, --Joe Chris Austin-Lane chris@ wrote: I wasn't really referring to the case when people with a lot of aware experiences of buddha nature trivialize it - that seems like a non-problem to me. I was referring to the tendency of [my, i.e. US] culture to trivialize everything, especially stuff from other traditions, e.g. http://zeninamoment.com/ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ or http://www.kenwilber.com/blog/list/1 http://bigmind.org/genpo-roshi People want to think that there is some simple fix that they can acquire, rather than that there is no problem, and nothing to fix but their own tendencies to blindness, irritation and wanting stuff, which is extremely non-trivial to lay down, and that the process of laying down these tendencies is so profoundly satisfying that one can't find it trivial; it is as trivial as singing in the rain while feeling happy. In my experience, people in the US are apt to paper over the most profound moments with silly thin ideas, turning away from the suchness we have a chance to share in and turning towards some paper-thing abstraction. Do I
[Zen] Deborah Conway - The Book Of Life (Live) 2013 -
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[Zen] Awareness in you is god [2 Attachments]
*[Attachment(s) from SURESH JAGADEESAN included below] Dear zen members, Sorry to bother you with my post in other forums. But if you have time you can read and comment whether I am right or wrong in my conclusions. best regards Suresh Dear Sri.Bharath, Quote Cannot easily explain what kind of a person my dad was. Be it he being religious in doing daily pooja/abisegam to SriChakra and other yentras/idols for years, be it the ardency he shown towards lord Ayyapan for 35+ yrs being a Guruswami visiting Sabarimala every year, be it he doing annadhana every year for 45 days being a founding trustee of that trust, be it he fulfilling the duties as the breadwinner of a lower middle class family with many sisters, be it he actively being full time part of a cancer care trust for more than a decade after his voluntary retirement, be it his character of being helpful to anyone and everyone around in the society without any inhibition or expectations (Paropakari), be it the involvement and faith in doing the Pitru Kriyas every year, be it he fulfilling his duties to the offsprings, be it he being a best dad, husband, son, brother, relative, neighbor, social being. (Trust me, am not exaggerating because he is my dad, anyone who knows him will vouch for all of the above) He was diagnosed with stage 3 oesophagus (food pipe) cancer in early 2012 and we lost a yearlong battle 3 months back (when he was just 62). He trusted that Ayyapan will save him till the last week of his death. Trusted 100%. Ayyapan gave him a damn. Unquote Apart from my first mail to you, do you want me to give a constructive help or you want me to have words of solace by blaming on karma. I am spending my office time to find all about food pipe cancer. Now my simple question is apart from the above, how much do you really know about your father as close as possible? My father died at the age of 72 due to cardiac arrest. He could have been made alive if timely help reached him, and also if house women were trained to handle such emergencies. (This implies that all house holders must undergo First Aid course) I am not very close to my father, but my elder brother was, which means my father even can show penis to my brother when he was suffering to urinate. My father used to be very shy and hardly go to any doctors for any illness. If fever or head ache, he will take saridon or crosin, that is all he knows about medicine. My brother and my father both did operation for removing fore skin of the penis (Circumcision). My brother forces my father to go to hospital. My father died just after 3 days of marriage of my younger sister. He loves sweets and those oily eatables. Now my brother and sisters and most of them who are close to him taken vow not to touch sweets and oily stuff. I will always eat moderately from very young age and that continues. Now my brother and his wife had undergone First aid course. My brother actually arranged First Aid course for his entire building contains 10 flats. Since I am a sailor I have long back done advanced master Medicare. These are lessons one learns when they come across some catastrophe. Since I am a sailor I know how new regulations are coming into practice. When Titanic sunk in 1912, the world shipping Industry was shaken. After that they sat and drafted over a period of years evolved a New regulation or New convention called Safety of Life at sea (SOLAS) (The sinking of the Titanic on 14 April 1912 after colliding with an iceberg was the catalyst for the adoption in 1914 of the first International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea (SOLAS). More than 1,500 passengers and crew died and the disaster raised so many questions about the safety standards in force that the United Kingdom Government proposed holding a conference to develop international regulations. The Conference, which was attended by representatives of 13 countries, introduced new international requirements dealing with safety of navigation for all merchant ships; the provision of watertight and fire-resistant bulkheads; life-saving appliances; and fire prevention and fire fighting appliances on passenger ships) If that time people thought it is fate and Karma, we would not have ships which are built today with high safety standards preventing many numbers of losses of life. Another incident - Herald of Free Enterprise was a roll-on roll-off (RORO) ferry which capsized moments after leaving the Belgian port of Zeebrugge on the night of 6 March 1987, killing 193 passengers and crew. - The immediate cause of the sinking was found to be negligence by the assistant boatswain, asleep in his cabin when he should have been closing the bow-door. This accident resulted in bringing International Safety Management Code (ISM Code) so as to make accountable all crew who are working on board by providing a system of working. See what had happened after ISM code came in. -
[Zen] Where is the god?
Shocking News == Rain toll rises to 131, over 73,000 stranded in north Casualties In Thousands, Dehradun/Shimla: Torrential rains continued to pour in bad news from north India on Tuesday, with flash floods, cloudbursts and landslips claiming 69 more lives and taking the official death toll to 131, making for the most tragic tidings of monsoon in recent years. More than 73,000 pilgrims bound for the Himalayan shrines of Kedarnath, Badrinath, Gangotri and Yamunotri remained stranded in Uttarakhand and about 1,700 tourists were stuck in Himachal Pradesh. Excessive rains left 102 people dead in Uttarakhand, almost as many injured, and smashed hundreds of houses. The remaining deaths were reported from Himachal Pradesh. Based on reports from volunteers on the pilgrim route, VHP said the toll could be in thousands. Its statement said bodies were strewn around the Kedarnath temple and Gauri Kund, from where the trek to Kedarnath commences, had been washed away. 69 lives lost on Tuesday due to flash floods, cloudbursts, landslips Over 27,000 stuck in Chamoli, 25,000 in Rudraprayag, about 10,000 in Uttarkashi 102 killed so far in Uttarakhand, hundreds of houses reported smashed Over 500 people reported missing in Kedarnath alone Over 60,000 stranded across Uttarakhand Hundreds Missing, Toll Expected To Go Up Dehradun/Shimla: The official toll of casualties caused by rains so far is based on the body count. However, unconfirmed reports placed the toll at an alarmingly higher figure since hundreds of people were still missing and there were no records of how many could have been inside buildings and hotels washed away by the angry waters. In Kedarnath alone, more than 500 people were missing, officials said. The worst-hit was Rudraprayag, the confluence of Alaknanda and Mandakini, where 20 people drowned and 73 buildings, including 40 hotels along the banks of Alaknanda, were swept away by the swirling waters of the icycold river. Police said seven members of a family, including two minors, died after the hotel they were staying was consumed by the furious river. Char Dham pilgrims, many thousands of them from Delhi and surrounding areas, are still stranded due to extensive damage to roads in Rudraprayag, Chamoli and Uttarkashi. Disaster management authorities said more than 27,000 devotees are stuck in Chamoli; 25,000-odd in Rudraprayag; and close to 10,000 in Uttarkashi. Around 10,000 people stuck are travellers and other tourists. While security forces were pressed in rescue operations, even some of those have fallen victim to the flood’s ferocity. Bodies of three Indo-Tibetan Border Police jawans and two police constables were recovered from the debris at Kedarnath, official sources said. = A twenty-five year civil war in Sri Lanka came to a close in May 2009. The war was an insurgency against the Sri Lankan government by the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE, or Tamil Tigers), a separatist militant organization. Although the fighting has ceased, more than 70,000 people have died and hundreds of thousands are left internally displaced. Thousands of civilians have fled the country. The economy has suffered from the dual impact of the civil war and the subsequent cut in aid from foreign donors in their efforts to pressure the Sri Lankan government to address the humanitarian crisis. The government and LTTE both have been accused of human rights violations including abduction, conscription and use of child soldiers, indiscriminate shelling of civilian villages, the use of human shields, torture, and gender-based violence. Two decades of fighting left hundreds of thousands of Tamils to flee to camps for the internally-displaced. There, Tamils faced inadequate access to health care, education, and appropriate nutrition. The Sinhalese government militarized these civilian camps, failed to allow freedom of movement, limited the access of reporters and aid workers, and expelled many humanitarian aid agencies. Gender-based violence became epidemic, and a further danger exists in the continued threat posed by land mines. In response to the Sinhalese government’s failure to improve conditions for the Tamils, a number of countries cut off or limited their aid funding. The 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake was an undersea megathrust earthquake that occurred at 00:58:53 UTC on Sunday, 26 December 2004, with an epicentre off the west coast of Sumatra, Indonesia. The quake itself is known by the scientific community as the Sumatra–Andaman earthquake.[4][5] The resulting tsunami was given various names, including the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, South Asian tsunami, Indonesian tsunami, and the Boxing Day tsunami. The earthquake was caused when the Indian Plate was subducted by the Burma Plate and triggered a series of devastating
[Zen] Where is the god?
Forgive me, Again conversations of other forums. Since I like comments on these I am posting these. Suresh Dear Sir, Where is the order when a man rapes 3 year child? Where is the order when tamil women were raped by sinhalese soldiers just because they are tamil women? Where is the order in any war? Where is the order when old women are killed and parts are sliced separately for few golds and little money? ( My own sister in law's mother in law suffered a death like this) When a man tortures other man for his own pleasure or fun, where is this order? My rational and logical mind do not see any order in this world. If I could have meet Ramana I would have asked reason for Jallianwala Bagh massacre in terms of religion. (The Jallianwala Bagh massacre (also known as the Amritsar massacre), took place in the Jallianwala Bagh public garden in the northern Indian city of Amritsar on 13 April 1919. The shooting that took place was ordered by Brigadier-General Reginald E.H. Dyer. On Sunday, 13 April 1919, Dyer was convinced of a major insurrection and thus he banned all meetings. On hearing that a meeting of 15,000 to 20,000 people including women, children and the elderly had assembled at Jallianwala Bagh, Dyer went with fifty Gurkha riflemen to a raised bank and ordered them to shoot at the crowd. Dyer continued the firing for about ten minutes, until the ammunition supply was almost exhausted; Dyer stated that 1,650 rounds had been fired, a number which seems to have been derived by counting empty cartridge cases picked up by the troops.[1] Official British Indian sources gave a figure of 379 identified dead,[1] with approximately 1,100 wounded. The casualty number estimated by the Indian National Congress was more than 1,500, with approximately 1,000 dead) Where is order? Even to consider this world affairs as a movie, seems horrible. Who will see these horrible movies? Much more deep thought is required here. Best wishes Suresh On 6/19/13, ram mohan anantha pai pairam...@gmail.com wrote: namaskaram The saddest thing about the Human being is his inability to control the 'emotional' outpour. When mind is under the emotions, clarity is clouded. I want to fly. Why God does not help me by providing me wings to fly? I am not willing to think for a moment that there cannot be another IDIOT like me on this earth, because, if I am having wings, I will not longer be a human, but a bird. The thinking faculty that is endowed on us is to learn, think and understand. A cow delivers a calf and in few minutes or so, one can see the calf standing on its leg where as the intelligent human being, it takes so many many months. That is the Order. The whole system is one of Order. There is the physiological order, psychological order, geological order, . the list is endless. When we learn a little more in one order, we come to know there is a lot more in that to learn and a new specialization begin in even in a small part of the earlier order with a new title. Understanding this Order - is that not the reason why our Upanishad Vakya says Prjnanam Brahma ? food for thought. namaskaram Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Re: Where is the god?
Suresh, Why are you expecting an order? There is no order. Just THIS! ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@... wrote: Forgive me, Again conversations of other forums. Since I like comments on these I am posting these. Suresh Dear Sir, Where is the order when a man rapes 3 year child? Where is the order when tamil women were raped by sinhalese soldiers just because they are tamil women? Where is the order in any war? Where is the order when old women are killed and parts are sliced separately for few golds and little money? ( My own sister in law's mother in law suffered a death like this) When a man tortures other man for his own pleasure or fun, where is this order? My rational and logical mind do not see any order in this world. If I could have meet Ramana I would have asked reason for Jallianwala Bagh massacre in terms of religion. (The Jallianwala Bagh massacre (also known as the Amritsar massacre), took place in the Jallianwala Bagh public garden in the northern Indian city of Amritsar on 13 April 1919. The shooting that took place was ordered by Brigadier-General Reginald E.H. Dyer. On Sunday, 13 April 1919, Dyer was convinced of a major insurrection and thus he banned all meetings. On hearing that a meeting of 15,000 to 20,000 people including women, children and the elderly had assembled at Jallianwala Bagh, Dyer went with fifty Gurkha riflemen to a raised bank and ordered them to shoot at the crowd. Dyer continued the firing for about ten minutes, until the ammunition supply was almost exhausted; Dyer stated that 1,650 rounds had been fired, a number which seems to have been derived by counting empty cartridge cases picked up by the troops.[1] Official British Indian sources gave a figure of 379 identified dead,[1] with approximately 1,100 wounded. The casualty number estimated by the Indian National Congress was more than 1,500, with approximately 1,000 dead) Where is order? Even to consider this world affairs as a movie, seems horrible. Who will see these horrible movies? Much more deep thought is required here. Best wishes Suresh On 6/19/13, ram mohan anantha pai pairamblr@... wrote: namaskaram The saddest thing about the Human being is his inability to control the 'emotional' outpour. When mind is under the emotions, clarity is clouded. I want to fly. Why God does not help me by providing me wings to fly? I am not willing to think for a moment that there cannot be another IDIOT like me on this earth, because, if I am having wings, I will not longer be a human, but a bird. The thinking faculty that is endowed on us is to learn, think and understand. A cow delivers a calf and in few minutes or so, one can see the calf standing on its leg where as the intelligent human being, it takes so many many months. That is the Order. The whole system is one of Order. There is the physiological order, psychological order, geological order, . the list is endless. When we learn a little more in one order, we come to know there is a lot more in that to learn and a new specialization begin in even in a small part of the earlier order with a new title. Understanding this Order - is that not the reason why our Upanishad Vakya says Prjnanam Brahma ? food for thought. namaskaram Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] trivial pursuit
Merle, If only Australia had higher mountains than it does, I might have worked there at some time. There at great observatories there, but at too low altitude for some work. I'm sorry I haven't yet visited. As you know, Australia's highest mountain, Mount Kosciuszko, named for one of my relatives in the Polish half of the family, is just meters high. That's the same height as the mountain we chose to adopt as the base for the Southern wing of our US National Observatory, in Chile, at Cerro Tololo; this is in the foothills of the Andes, in the world's driest desert, the Atacama. The skies there are almost always clear, and rainfall is very slight; it's three times drier than Southern Arizona, where our Northern observatory is based. When you see them, do you recognize the Milky Way and the Magellanic Clouds? And does the Coal Sack stand out nicely against the bright Milky Way background in Centaurus? I'm just trying to get an idea of how *dark* it may be at your place, so close to Sydney as to be within the glow of the city. I share your appreciation of clouds, and enjoy painting them into my landscapes paintings. Astronomers never like to see clouds at nighttime, however. Photos of observatories with photogenic clouds in the sky are considered bad publicity in our field. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe...i see the night sky beautifully..best air quality in the world here they say..it's beautiful..what i love are the cloud formations...before you drive up to the mountain top...you go across very flat ground..mainly veggie farms... and i always look at the clouds...one can get almost a 360% view,..magical..i do love clouds... yes beautiful..stars et all..merle Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Dunhuang Caves text
A newly arrived book is making an impression, here. It's a translation and some commentary by Soko Morinaga Roshi (1925-1995). The translated text is an ancient Ch'an text discovered in the Dunhuang caves. The text may be from the 3rd or 4th Century, C.E. It is a question-and-answer type conversation between a Master and novice monk student, both of whom are imaginary (fictional). The text, and the title Morinaga uses for the book, is: THE CEASING OF NOTIONS. I'm liking the brevity of the interchanges. There's nothing new here for a practitioner who has practiced formally, and/or studied, but this gives the book a feel of something like a letter from home. I may afterwards post a few of the brief interchanges. You may feel the familiarity in them. Or, you may feel challenged! --Joe Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Re: Where is the god?
Suresh, I don't know if it's an explanation, but I understand that Climate Change is having effects upon the annual Monsoon, and the general atmospheric circulation over the Himalaya. Many have been viewing with alarm the accelerating increase of concentration in greenhouse gases. Keeling has observed the concentration of Tropospheric CO2 from Mauna Loa on the Big Island of Hawai'i since 1958. The tiny amplitude annual cycle is due to changes in photosynthesis on a seasonal basis, and the upward climb is due to burning of fossil fuels. Detection of the annual cycle shows the fine sensitivity of the method. Disruptions in the regularity (as to Date) and other behavior of the Monsoon may have to do with climate changes wrought by general (global) tropospheric warming. The Keeling Curve graph is a beautiful piece of work, and is powerful document. A copy of the graph, almost up to date, and an article about it, is at Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mauna_Loa_Carbon_Dioxide_Apr2013.svg Data that is more up to date can be had from the Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center, in Asheville, North Carolina, USA. I think that the CO2 concentration is now above 400 parts per million. Many hectares of forest land in the western USA is burning now, due to unusually warm and dry conditions. In Colorado, the year 2012 was the worst year on record for wildfire damages. The Spring of 2013 has already exceeded that record. We in Arizona are taking extreme measures to avoid fires, now. Our thunderstorm monsoon begins about July 4 every year, and the rains are usually preceded by several weeks of dry storms with lots of lightning. Warming and climate change seem to have made our desert even drier, lately. We are not likely to have flooding here, but fires, instead, on our wooded mountains. --Joe SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@... wrote: Shocking News == Rain toll rises to 131, over 73,000 stranded in north Casualties In Thousands, Dehradun/Shimla: Torrential rains continued to pour [snip] Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] trivial pursuit
joe... i believe their is an observatory out at parkes..nsw..i'll check net..yes i have walked to top of mount k ... it's a very easy stroll joe i know nothing about stars... sorry... on a clear night yes you can see all..it's gorgeous.no we do not get glow of sydney..yes it is pitch black...sydney you see the lights of city in the very very way off distance... cheers merle Merle, If only Australia had higher mountains than it does, I might have worked there at some time. There at great observatories there, but at too low altitude for some work. I'm sorry I haven't yet visited. As you know, Australia's highest mountain, Mount Kosciuszko, named for one of my relatives in the Polish half of the family, is just meters high. That's the same height as the mountain we chose to adopt as the base for the Southern wing of our US National Observatory, in Chile, at Cerro Tololo; this is in the foothills of the Andes, in the world's driest desert, the Atacama. The skies there are almost always clear, and rainfall is very slight; it's three times drier than Southern Arizona, where our Northern observatory is based. When you see them, do you recognize the Milky Way and the Magellanic Clouds? And does the Coal Sack stand out nicely against the bright Milky Way background in Centaurus? I'm just trying to get an idea of how *dark* it may be at your place, so close to Sydney as to be within the glow of the city. I share your appreciation of clouds, and enjoy painting them into my landscapes paintings. Astronomers never like to see clouds at nighttime, however. Photos of observatories with photogenic clouds in the sky are considered bad publicity in our field. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe...i see the night sky beautifully..best air quality in the world here they say..it's beautiful..what i love are the cloud formations...before you drive up to the mountain top...you go across very flat ground..mainly veggie farms... and i always look at the clouds...one can get almost a 360% view,..magical..i do love clouds... yes beautiful..stars et all..merle
Re: [Zen] Where is the god?
suresh...what are you trying to say ?..where is god?...you need to ask where is your fellow man?..merle Dear all, One wonders after reading above all news of the recent days, what the god of protector doing? Is he protector or destroyer all the times. Best wishes Suresh
Re: [Zen] Where is the god?
these people who commit these crimes against their fellow man...do just that crime what can you do?... have you an answer?..merle Forgive me, Again conversations of other forums. Since I like comments on these I am posting these. Suresh Dear Sir, Where is the order when a man rapes 3 year child? Where is the order when tamil women were raped by sinhalese soldiers just because they are tamil women? Where is the order in any war? Where is the order when old women are killed and parts are sliced separately for few golds and little money? ( My own sister in law's mother in law suffered a death like this) When a man tortures other man for his own pleasure or fun, where is this order? My rational and logical mind do not see any order in this world. If I could have meet Ramana I would have asked reason for Jallianwala Bagh massacre in terms of religion. (The Jallianwala Bagh massacre (also known as the Amritsar massacre), took place in the Jallianwala Bagh public garden in the northern Indian city of Amritsar on 13 April 1919. The shooting that took place was ordered by Brigadier-General Reginald E.H. Dyer. On Sunday, 13 April 1919, Dyer was convinced of a major insurrection and thus he banned all meetings. On hearing that a meeting of 15,000 to 20,000 people including women, children and the elderly had assembled at Jallianwala Bagh, Dyer went with fifty Gurkha riflemen to a raised bank and ordered them to shoot at the crowd. Dyer continued the firing for about ten minutes, until the ammunition supply was almost exhausted; Dyer stated that 1,650 rounds had been fired, a number which seems to have been derived by counting empty cartridge cases picked up by the troops.[1] Official British Indian sources gave a figure of 379 identified dead,[1] with approximately 1,100 wounded. The casualty number estimated by the Indian National Congress was more than 1,500, with approximately 1,000 dead) Where is order? Even to consider this world affairs as a movie, seems horrible. Who will see these horrible movies? Much more deep thought is required here. Best wishes Suresh On 6/19/13, ram mohan anantha pai pairam...@gmail.com wrote: namaskaram The saddest thing about the Human being is his inability to control the 'emotional' outpour. When mind is under the emotions, clarity is clouded. I want to fly. Why God does not help me by providing me wings to fly? I am not willing to think for a moment that there cannot be another IDIOT like me on this earth, because, if I am having wings, I will not longer be a human, but a bird. The thinking faculty that is endowed on us is to learn, think and understand. A cow delivers a calf and in few minutes or so, one can see the calf standing on its leg where as the intelligent human being, it takes so many many months. That is the Order. The whole system is one of Order. There is the physiological order, psychological order, geological order, . the list is endless. When we learn a little more in one order, we come to know there is a lot more in that to learn and a new specialization begin in even in a small part of the earlier order with a new title. Understanding this Order - is that not the reason why our Upanishad Vakya says Prjnanam Brahma ? food for thought. namaskaram
Re: [Zen] Awareness in you is god
bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people..sad but that is reality..merle Best wishes Suresh (Attachments 1 - ISM - Power point presentation 2 - What is Cancer 3 - Advantages of Ayurvedic treatment for cancer 4 - Oesophageal cancer research 5 - Top 10 Ways To Prevent Cancer 6 - Diet for preventing cancer -- Thanks and best regards J.Suresh
Re: [Zen] Re: Where is the god?
here in my neck of the woods..the greatest fear is bush fires...merle Suresh, I don't know if it's an explanation, but I understand that Climate Change is having effects upon the annual Monsoon, and the general atmospheric circulation over the Himalaya. Many have been viewing with alarm the accelerating increase of concentration in greenhouse gases. Keeling has observed the concentration of Tropospheric CO2 from Mauna Loa on the Big Island of Hawai'i since 1958. The tiny amplitude annual cycle is due to changes in photosynthesis on a seasonal basis, and the upward climb is due to burning of fossil fuels. Detection of the annual cycle shows the fine sensitivity of the method. Disruptions in the regularity (as to Date) and other behavior of the Monsoon may have to do with climate changes wrought by general (global) tropospheric warming. The Keeling Curve graph is a beautiful piece of work, and is powerful document. A copy of the graph, almost up to date, and an article about it, is at Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mauna_Loa_Carbon_Dioxide_Apr2013.svg Data that is more up to date can be had from the Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center, in Asheville, North Carolina, USA. I think that the CO2 concentration is now above 400 parts per million. Many hectares of forest land in the western USA is burning now, due to unusually warm and dry conditions. In Colorado, the year 2012 was the worst year on record for wildfire damages. The Spring of 2013 has already exceeded that record. We in Arizona are taking extreme measures to avoid fires, now. Our thunderstorm monsoon begins about July 4 every year, and the rains are usually preceded by several weeks of dry storms with lots of lightning. Warming and climate change seem to have made our desert even drier, lately. We are not likely to have flooding here, but fires, instead, on our wooded mountains. --Joe SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@... wrote: Shocking News == Rain toll rises to 131, over 73,000 stranded in north Casualties In Thousands, Dehradun/Shimla: Torrential rains continued to pour [snip]
