Re: [Zen] to agree or not to agree
Joe,br/br/You met Society, Nature, yourself, and your Family, in that tree.br/br/Indeed I did. And yet it's the 'tree' I have no business (conceptually) climbing now and hanging from by my teeth.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
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that someone should know better...merle You are on the top of a tree, hanging on by your teeth. Someone comes by and asks if they should get a teacher. If.you answer you will fall. If you do not answer, they will not find the way. What do you do? Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jun 10, 2013 8:35 PM, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote: agreement is not necessarily awakening...merle Merle, That would be immaterial; but, go ahead and see; I don't mind. You pay attention for both of us -- you and me!, i.e. -- please. On this score, there is no doubt anywhere, ...and it's a big universe. See if Bill! agrees, and Mike, and Chris. And Subhana, Roshi. And John Tarrant Roshi. In your neck of the woods. Etc. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe... right joe..i get the picture! ..does edgar agree?..merle Merle, Don't bother continuing this. Continue with your Practice. See a Teacher as you are able. Everything depends on that.
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You are falsely modest, Merle. If you do not make the art, who will? Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jun 11, 2013 12:57 AM, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote: that someone should know better...merle You are on the top of a tree, hanging on by your teeth. Someone comes by and asks if they should get a teacher. If.you answer you will fall. If you do not answer, they will not find the way. What do you do? Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jun 10, 2013 8:35 PM, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote: agreement is not necessarily awakening...merle Merle, That would be immaterial; but, go ahead and see; I don't mind. You pay attention for both of us -- you and me!, i.e. -- please. On this score, there is no doubt anywhere, ...and it's a big universe. See if Bill! agrees, and Mike, and Chris. And Subhana, Roshi. And John Tarrant Roshi. In your neck of the woods. Etc. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe... right joe..i get the picture! ..does edgar agree?..merle Merle, Don't bother continuing this. Continue with your Practice. See a Teacher as you are able. Everything depends on that.
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Chris, Don't be a moron. Hang by your hands instead of your teeth! Edgar On Jun 11, 2013, at 1:00 AM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: You are on the top of a tree, hanging on by your teeth. Someone comes by and asks if they should get a teacher. If.you answer you will fall. If you do not answer, they will not find the way. What do you do? Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jun 10, 2013 8:35 PM, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote: agreement is not necessarily awakening...merle Merle, That would be immaterial; but, go ahead and see; I don't mind. You pay attention for both of us -- you and me!, i.e. -- please. On this score, there is no doubt anywhere, ...and it's a big universe. See if Bill! agrees, and Mike, and Chris. And Subhana, Roshi. And John Tarrant Roshi. In your neck of the woods. Etc. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe... right joe..i get the picture! ..does edgar agree?..merle Merle, Don't bother continuing this. Continue with your Practice. See a Teacher as you are able. Everything depends on that.
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please clarify...i do not comprehend..merle You are falsely modest, Merle. If you do not make the art, who will? Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jun 11, 2013 12:57 AM, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote: that someone should know better...merle You are on the top of a tree, hanging on by your teeth. Someone comes by and asks if they should get a teacher. If.you answer you will fall. If you do not answer, they will not find the way. What do you do? Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jun 10, 2013 8:35 PM, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote: agreement is not necessarily awakening...merle Merle, That would be immaterial; but, go ahead and see; I don't mind. You pay attention for both of us -- you and me!, i.e. -- please. On this score, there is no doubt anywhere, ...and it's a big universe. See if Bill! agrees, and Mike, and Chris. And Subhana, Roshi. And John Tarrant Roshi. In your neck of the woods. Etc. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe... right joe..i get the picture! ..does edgar agree?..merle Merle, Don't bother continuing this. Continue with your Practice. See a Teacher as you are able. Everything depends on that.
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Why even climb the tree in the first place?br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
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Mike, Yes, but that would be using your rational mind to keep you out of trouble which is a No No in comic book Zen... If the comic book Zen guy is hanging by his teeth from the top of a tree he deserves to die. He certainly will never be enlightened! The moron that made this one up should give up Zen and try to get a job with Marvel Comics :-) Edgar On Jun 11, 2013, at 8:05 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Why even climb the tree in the first place? Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad From: Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; Subject: Re: [Zen] to agree or not to agree Sent: Tue, Jun 11, 2013 10:49:16 AM Chris, Don't be a moron. Hang by your hands instead of your teeth! Edgar On Jun 11, 2013, at 1:00 AM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: You are on the top of a tree, hanging on by your teeth. Someone comes by and asks if they should get a teacher. If.you answer you will fall. If you do not answer, they will not find the way. What do you do? Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jun 10, 2013 8:35 PM, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote: agreement is not necessarily awakening...merle Merle, That would be immaterial; but, go ahead and see; I don't mind. You pay attention for both of us -- you and me!, i.e. -- please. On this score, there is no doubt anywhere, ...and it's a big universe. See if Bill! agrees, and Mike, and Chris. And Subhana, Roshi. And John Tarrant Roshi. In your neck of the woods. Etc. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe... right joe..i get the picture! ..does edgar agree?..merle Merle, Don't bother continuing this. Continue with your Practice. See a Teacher as you are able. Everything depends on that.
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The answer, my friend, is *not* blowing in the wind.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
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Chris, They will find the way. But they'd be better to find a ladder, if they are worth a good goddamn. ;-) --Joe Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote: You are on the top of a tree, hanging on by your teeth. Someone comes by and asks if they should get a teacher. If you answer you will fall. If you do not answer, they will not find the way. What do you do? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Mike, Because it's where Mount Everest isn't! --Joe uerusuboyo@... wrote: Why even climb the tree in the first place? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Joe,br/br/And sometimes we undertake a journey only to discover no journey was necessary. Same with climbing trees and scaling mountains ; )br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
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Mike, Dunno! Oh, but the exercise; the fun! The adventure. Not to be ruled out (as motivation). And, the tree is right THERE. As it was in my childhood. And my ex- sweetums used to sleep up there, several States away, before we ever fatefully met. Everest takes a bit more planning. And you have to hire Sherpas! Main thing is what we realize during or after our outing. We can't THEN say what was necessary. Sometimes things take (require) doing things. --Joe uerusuboyo@... wrote: Joe, And sometimes we undertake a journey only to discover no journey was necessary. Same with climbing trees and scaling mountains ; ) Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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edgar..do you hate comics?...what a dull kiddy you must have been...no sense of fun or no sense of the absurd..merle Mike, Yes, but that would be using your rational mind to keep you out of trouble which is a No No in comic book Zen... If the comic book Zen guy is hanging by his teeth from the top of a tree he deserves to die. He certainly will never be enlightened! The moron that made this one up should give up Zen and try to get a job with Marvel Comics :-) Edgar On Jun 11, 2013, at 8:05 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Why even climb the tree in the first place? Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad From: Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; Subject: Re: [Zen] to agree or not to agree Sent: Tue, Jun 11, 2013 10:49:16 AM Chris, Don't be a moron. Hang by your hands instead of your teeth! Edgar On Jun 11, 2013, at 1:00 AM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: You are on the top of a tree, hanging on by your teeth. Someone comes by and asks if they should get a teacher. If.you answer you will fall. If you do not answer, they will not find the way. What do you do? Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jun 10, 2013 8:35 PM, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote: agreement is not necessarily awakening...merle Merle, That would be immaterial; but, go ahead and see; I don't mind. You pay attention for both of us -- you and me!, i.e. -- please. On this score, there is no doubt anywhere, ...and it's a big universe. See if Bill! agrees, and Mike, and Chris. And Subhana, Roshi. And John Tarrant Roshi. In your neck of the woods. Etc. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe... right joe..i get the picture! ..does edgar agree?..merle Merle, Don't bother continuing this. Continue with your Practice. See a Teacher as you are able. Everything depends on that.
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Merle, Some people do grow up Edgar On Jun 11, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Merle Lester wrote: edgar..do you hate comics?...what a dull kiddy you must have been...no sense of fun or no sense of the absurd..merle Mike, Yes, but that would be using your rational mind to keep you out of trouble which is a No No in comic book Zen... If the comic book Zen guy is hanging by his teeth from the top of a tree he deserves to die. He certainly will never be enlightened! The moron that made this one up should give up Zen and try to get a job with Marvel Comics :-) Edgar On Jun 11, 2013, at 8:05 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Why even climb the tree in the first place? Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad From: Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; Subject: Re: [Zen] to agree or not to agree Sent: Tue, Jun 11, 2013 10:49:16 AM Chris, Don't be a moron. Hang by your hands instead of your teeth! Edgar On Jun 11, 2013, at 1:00 AM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: You are on the top of a tree, hanging on by your teeth. Someone comes by and asks if they should get a teacher. If.you answer you will fall. If you do not answer, they will not find the way. What do you do? Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jun 10, 2013 8:35 PM, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote: agreement is not necessarily awakening...merle Merle, That would be immaterial; but, go ahead and see; I don't mind. You pay attention for both of us -- you and me!, i.e. -- please. On this score, there is no doubt anywhere, ...and it's a big universe. See if Bill! agrees, and Mike, and Chris. And Subhana, Roshi. And John Tarrant Roshi. In your neck of the woods. Etc. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe... right joe..i get the picture! ..does edgar agree?..merle Merle, Don't bother continuing this. Continue with your Practice. See a Teacher as you are able. Everything depends on that.
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edgar...then i did not..always happy to be the kid!,,merle Merle, Some people do grow up Edgar On Jun 11, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Merle Lester wrote: edgar..do you hate comics?...what a dull kiddy you must have been...no sense of fun or no sense of the absurd..merle Mike, Yes, but that would be using your rational mind to keep you out of trouble which is a No No in comic book Zen... If the comic book Zen guy is hanging by his teeth from the top of a tree he deserves to die. He certainly will never be enlightened! The moron that made this one up should give up Zen and try to get a job with Marvel Comics :-) Edgar On Jun 11, 2013, at 8:05 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Why even climb the tree in the first place? Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad From: Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; Subject: Re: [Zen] to agree or not to agree Sent: Tue, Jun 11, 2013 10:49:16 AM Chris, Don't be a moron. Hang by your hands instead of your teeth! Edgar On Jun 11, 2013, at 1:00 AM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: You are on the top of a tree, hanging on by your teeth. Someone comes by and asks if they should get a teacher. If.you answer you will fall. If you do not answer, they will not find the way. What do you do? Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jun 10, 2013 8:35 PM, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote: agreement is not necessarily awakening...merle Merle, That would be immaterial; but, go ahead and see; I don't mind. You pay attention for both of us -- you and me!, i.e. -- please. On this score, there is no doubt anywhere, ...and it's a big universe. See if Bill! agrees, and Mike, and Chris. And Subhana, Roshi. And John Tarrant Roshi. In your neck of the woods. Etc. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe... right joe..i get the picture! ..does edgar agree?..merle Merle, Don't bother continuing this. Continue with your Practice. See a Teacher as you are able. Everything depends on that.
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Joe, br/br/There are journeys and there are journeys. Music and backpacking are one of my favourites, but my current journey requires nothing more than breathing and looking : )br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
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Mike, If you were 8, or 9, or 12, and didn't climb the tree, well, I'll be surprised. Not that that's a problem to me! ;-) -- J. uerusuboyo@... wrote: Joe, There are journeys and there are journeys. Music and backpacking are one of my favourites, but my current journey requires nothing more than breathing and looking : ) Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Joe,br/br/I was lucky enough to have a huge oak tree in my garden when I was a child. And this was a garden in a normal working class terraced street (it's trunk was smack in the middle where 4 gardens met)! Our tree could be seen for quite some distance and was a landmark. I'd often climb it as high as I could and then get stuck and not be able to come back down again (thats when dad's are far more useful than mums!). When I was really small my garden was a paradise of nature and adventure and gave me a great taste of what the 4 seasons were all about. When I was about 10 years old we had new neighbours who complained to the local council that the tree was dangerous and they came and chopped it down. The new neighbours moved out about 6 months later. That tree gave me an invaluable lesson even though I never hung onto its branches with my teeth.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
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Mike, You met Society, Nature, yourself, and your Family, in that tree. I'm sorry the transient neighbors held any sway. I climbed tall trees half a block away, and had a look at ships in the river. The Raritan River, of central New Jersey. I made pencil sketches from up there, 40 feet up: 1964 and '65. The next year, I switched to photography: with my Yashika J7, 35mm SLR. Wow! And I went into BW darkroom work, at home. I gained weight and height, and the tender tall trees could no longer (safely) hold me. It was a coming-of-age bummer. We all outgrow everything, eventually. ;-) --Joe uerusuboyo@... wrote: Joe, I was lucky enough to have a huge oak tree in my garden when I was a child. And this was a garden in a normal working class terraced street (it's trunk was smack in the middle where 4 gardens met)! Our tree could be seen for quite some distance and was a landmark. I'd often climb it as high as I could and then get stuck and not be able to come back down again (thats when dad's are far more useful than mums!). When I was really small my garden was a paradise of nature and adventure and gave me a great taste of what the 4 seasons were all about. When I was about 10 years old we had new neighbours who complained to the local council that the tree was dangerous and they came and chopped it down. The new neighbours moved out about 6 months later. That tree gave me an invaluable lesson even though I never hung onto its branches with my teeth. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] to agree or not to agree
agreement is not necessarily awakening...merle Merle, That would be immaterial; but, go ahead and see; I don't mind. You pay attention for both of us -- you and me!, i.e. -- please. On this score, there is no doubt anywhere, ...and it's a big universe. See if Bill! agrees, and Mike, and Chris. And Subhana, Roshi. And John Tarrant Roshi. In your neck of the woods. Etc. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe... right joe..i get the picture! ..does edgar agree?..merle Merle, Don't bother continuing this. Continue with your Practice. See a Teacher as you are able. Everything depends on that.
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You are on the top of a tree, hanging on by your teeth. Someone comes by and asks if they should get a teacher. If.you answer you will fall. If you do not answer, they will not find the way. What do you do? Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jun 10, 2013 8:35 PM, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.com wrote: agreement is not necessarily awakening...merle Merle, That would be immaterial; but, go ahead and see; I don't mind. You pay attention for both of us -- you and me!, i.e. -- please. On this score, there is no doubt anywhere, ...and it's a big universe. See if Bill! agrees, and Mike, and Chris. And Subhana, Roshi. And John Tarrant Roshi. In your neck of the woods. Etc. --Joe Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: joe... right joe..i get the picture! ..does edgar agree?..merle Merle, Don't bother continuing this. Continue with your Practice. See a Teacher as you are able. Everything depends on that.
