Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Eliminating double path with ZFS's volume manager

2007-01-16 Thread Jason J. W. Williams

Hi Philip,

I'm not an expert, so I'm afraid I don't know what to tell you. I'd
call Apple Support and see what they say. As horrid as they are at
Enterprise support they may be the best ones to clarify if
multipathing is available without Xsan.


Best Regards,
Jason

On 1/16/07, Philip Mötteli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Looks like its got a half-way decent multipath
> design:
> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Xsan/1.1/
> en/c3xs12.html

Great, but that is with Xsan. If I don't exchange our Hitachi with an Xsan, I 
don't have this 'cvadmin'.


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[zfs-discuss] Re: Eliminating double path with ZFS's volume manager

2007-01-15 Thread Philip Mötteli
> Looks like its got a half-way decent multipath
> design:
> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Xsan/1.1/
> en/c3xs12.html

Great, but that is with Xsan. If I don't exchange our Hitachi with an Xsan, I 
don't have this 'cvadmin'.
 
 
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[zfs-discuss] Re: Eliminating double path with ZFS's volume manager

2007-01-15 Thread Philip Mötteli
> Robert Milkowski wrote:
> >
> > 2. I belive it's definitely possible to just
> correct your config under
> > Mac OS without any need to use other fs or volume
> manager, however
> > going to zfs could be a good idea anyway
> 
> 
> That implies that MacOS has some sort of native SCSI
> multipathing like 
> Solaris Mpxio. Does such a beast exist?

That's exactly the question. I'm not aware of any. The only such thing, could 
be in Xsan. But we don't have Xsan here; we have Hitachi. And this tool called 
'Xsan Admin' is not freely available and the person at the Apple Support said, 
it wouldn't help in my case.
 
 
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Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Eliminating double path with ZFS's volume manager

2007-01-15 Thread Dominic Kay

Go poke around in the multipath Xsan storage pool properties. Specifies how
Xsan uses multiple Fibre Channel paths between clients and storage. This is
the equiv of Veritas DMP or [whatever we now call] Solaris MPxIO
/d


2007/1/15, Philip Mötteli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Hi,


> Monday, January 15, 2007, 10:44:49 AM, you wrote:
> PM> Since they have installed a second path to our Hitachi SAN, my
> PM> Mac OS X Server 4.8 mounts every SAN disk twice.
> PM> I asked everywhere, if there's a way, to correct that. And the
> PM> only answer so far was, that I need a volume manager, that can be
> PM> configured to consider two volumes as being identical.
> PM> Now that Mac OS X Leopard supports ZFS, could using ZFS be the
> PM> solution for this problem? If yes, how could I achieve this?
>
> 1. I don't know what kind of file system you already
> have on those
> disks but if you really mounted them twice you could
> have already
> corrupt those file systems

I have now de-connected one cable.  :-8


> 2. I believe it's definitely possible to just correct
> your config under
> Mac OS without any need to use other fs or volume
> manager,

Apart from the proposition about using a special type of switch, I would
be very interested in any information you have. So far not our SAN expert,
nor our Mac expert, nor the very expensive Apple Server support we have,
could help us.


> however
> going to zfs could be a good idea anyway

I think so too. I just have to wait until Leopard.


> 3. if you put those disks under ZFS it should just
> work despite of
> having second path

So you would propose, to just add one of

/dev/disk4s10
/dev/disk5s10

into the ZFS pool?
Is there no way, to explain ZFS, that both of these disks are identical
(probably not clones), so that one could profit from the path redundancy?


Thanks
Phil


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[zfs-discuss] Re: Eliminating double path with ZFS's volume manager

2007-01-15 Thread Philip Mötteli
Hi,


> Monday, January 15, 2007, 10:44:49 AM, you wrote:
> PM> Since they have installed a second path to our Hitachi SAN, my
> PM> Mac OS X Server 4.8 mounts every SAN disk twice.
> PM> I asked everywhere, if there's a way, to correct that. And the
> PM> only answer so far was, that I need a volume manager, that can be
> PM> configured to consider two volumes as being identical.
> PM> Now that Mac OS X Leopard supports ZFS, could using ZFS be the
> PM> solution for this problem? If yes, how could I achieve this?
> 
> 1. I don't know what kind of file system you already
> have on those
> disks but if you really mounted them twice you could
> have already
> corrupt those file systems

I have now de-connected one cable.  :-8


> 2. I believe it's definitely possible to just correct
> your config under
> Mac OS without any need to use other fs or volume
> manager,

Apart from the proposition about using a special type of switch, I would be 
very interested in any information you have. So far not our SAN expert, nor our 
Mac expert, nor the very expensive Apple Server support we have, could help us.


> however
> going to zfs could be a good idea anyway

I think so too. I just have to wait until Leopard.


> 3. if you put those disks under ZFS it should just
> work despite of
> having second path

So you would propose, to just add one of

/dev/disk4s10
/dev/disk5s10

into the ZFS pool?
Is there no way, to explain ZFS, that both of these disks are identical 
(probably not clones), so that one could profit from the path redundancy?


Thanks
Phil
 
 
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