Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshot .zfs folder can only be seen in the top of a file system?

2010-07-24 Thread David Magda


On Jul 24, 2010, at 01:20, Sam Fourman Jr. wrote:


I think it should go like what NetApp's snapshot does.


There was a long thread on this topic earlier this year. Please  
see the

archives for details.


Do you have the URL? I don't have a long subscription


I too do not have a long subscription, and I would be interested in
the subject line so I can search and do further reading.


The archives are available in two different interfaces:

http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
http://opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=80

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Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshot .zfs folder can only be seen in the top of a file system?

2010-07-24 Thread Eric Schrock

On Jul 24, 2010, at 12:53 AM, Fred Liu wrote:
 
 Disagree. The benefits are not as great as advertised.
 
 Is it ZFS intrinsic flaw to realize it? I have lots of users who are addicted 
 to NetApp's snapshot so much!

The tricky part is exporting FIDs over NFS in a way that allows you to 'cd ..' 
from any .zfs direcotry (or snapshot within .zfs/snapshots) and end up back 
where you started, because the snapshots are exported as part of the parent 
filesystem, even though under the hood they are different vfs_t structures.

I'd encourage you to work on the RFE yourself - any implementation would 
certainly be appreciated.  This possibility was originally why the 'snapdir' 
property was named as it was, so we could someday support 'snapdir=every' to 
export .zfs in every directory.

- Eric

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[zfs-discuss] snapshot .zfs folder can only be seen in the top of a file system?

2010-07-23 Thread Fred Liu
Hi,

Is it true? Any way to find it in every hierarchy?

Thanks.

Fred
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Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshot .zfs folder can only be seen in the top of a file system?

2010-07-23 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
 From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-
 boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Fred Liu
 
 Is it true? Any way to find it in every hierarchy?

Yup.  Nope.

If you use ZFS, you make a filesystem at whatever level you need it, in
order for the .zfs directory to be available to whatever clients will be
needing it...

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Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshot .zfs folder can only be seen in the top of a file system?

2010-07-23 Thread Fred Liu
Thanks.
But too many file systems may be an issue for management and also normal user 
cannot create file system.
I think it should go like what NetApp's snapshot does.
It is a pity.

Thanks.

Fred

 -Original Message-
 From: Edward Ned Harvey [mailto:sh...@nedharvey.com]
 Sent: 星期六, 七月 24, 2010 10:22
 To: Fred Liu; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org
 Subject: RE: [zfs-discuss] snapshot .zfs folder can only be seen in the
 top of a file system?
 
  From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-
  boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Fred Liu
 
  Is it true? Any way to find it in every hierarchy?
 
 Yup.  Nope.
 
 If you use ZFS, you make a filesystem at whatever level you need it, in
 order for the .zfs directory to be available to whatever clients will
 be
 needing it...
 

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Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshot .zfs folder can only be seen in the top of a file system?

2010-07-23 Thread Richard Elling


On Jul 23, 2010, at 7:33 PM, Fred Liu fred_...@issi.com wrote:

 Thanks.
 But too many file systems may be an issue for management and also normal user 
 cannot create file system.

The ability to create or snapshot a file system can easily be delegated to a 
user.

 I think it should go like what NetApp's snapshot does.

There was a long thread on this topic earlier this year. Please see the
archives for details.

 It is a pity.

Disagree. The benefits are not as great as advertised.
  -- Richard

 
 Thanks.
 
 Fred
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Edward Ned Harvey [mailto:sh...@nedharvey.com]
 Sent: 星期六, 七月 24, 2010 10:22
 To: Fred Liu; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org
 Subject: RE: [zfs-discuss] snapshot .zfs folder can only be seen in the
 top of a file system?
 
 From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-
 boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Fred Liu
 
 Is it true? Any way to find it in every hierarchy?
 
 Yup.  Nope.
 
 If you use ZFS, you make a filesystem at whatever level you need it, in
 order for the .zfs directory to be available to whatever clients will
 be
 needing it...
 
 
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Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshot .zfs folder can only be seen in the top of a file system?

2010-07-23 Thread Sam Fourman Jr.
  I think it should go like what NetApp's snapshot does.

 There was a long thread on this topic earlier this year. Please see the
 archives for details.

 Do you have the URL? I don't have a long subscription


I too do not have a long subscription, and I would be interested in
the subject line
so I can search and do further reading.

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Sam Fourman Jr.
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