Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware Raid Vs ZFS implementation on SunX4150/X4450

2008-12-06 Thread Joseph Zhou
Is Jeff Cheeney still on this list? He had an open mind.

Jeff, if you can see this, tell me if I am wrong! Please!

Thanks!
z

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 Yeah?
 http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/products/Controllers/Hardware/sas/value/SAS-31605/_details/Series3_FAQs.htm
 Snapshot is a big deal?

 Windows OS does that too.

 Compression -- where is the performance data showing compression in
 OpenSolaris has little overhead?

 Clones -- tell me the benefit of Clone when we have point-in-time copies
 with continuous, policy-based protection?  And snapshot images are mostly
 writable and sync-able today?

 Man, I am an open storage analyst, please, tell me I am wrong!
 zStorageAnalyst

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I don't understand your statement/questions.  This wasn't a response to
ZFS versus every possible storage platform in the world.  The original
poster was asking about comparing  ZFS versus hardware RAID on specific
machines as mentioned in the title.  AFAIK you don't get compression,
snapshots and clones with standard hardware RAID cards.
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Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware Raid Vs ZFS implementation on SunX4150/X4450

2008-12-06 Thread Joseph Zhou
Richard, thank you so very much!
This is the kind of answer I expected from Sun Storage.
I will do more studies before I speak again.
Happy holidays!!!
z

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 Joseph Zhou wrote:
 Yeah?
 http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/products/Controllers/Hardware/sas/value/SAS-31605/_details/Series3_FAQs.htm
 Snapshot is a big deal?


 Snapshot is a big deal, but you will find most hardware RAID 
 implementations
 are somewhat limited, as the above adaptec only supports 4 snapshots and 
 it is an
 optional feature.  You will find many array vendors will be happy to 
 charge lots
 of money for the snapshot feature.

 Windows OS does that too.


 Not the Windows OS I run on my laptop.  But the feature seems to be best 
 integrated
 on Max OSX.

 Compression -- where is the performance data showing compression in 
 OpenSolaris has little overhead?


 If you search these archives you will find instances where compression
 performance is much faster than not, and you will find instances where
 compression has significant overhead.  YMMV.  As with most things,
 there are engineering and design trade-offs that you should consider.

 Clones -- tell me the benefit of Clone when we have point-in-time copies 
 with continuous, policy-based protection?  And snapshot images are mostly 
 writable and sync-able today?


 In ZFS, snapshots are read-only.  Clones are created from a snapshot
 and can be writable.  We use clones extensively for OS upgrading and
 patching.  For example, when you upgrade OpenSolaris, we clone the
 OS file systems and upgrade the clone, so that you can move forward
 or roll back to different versions.  Many people use clones for virtual
 machines.

 Man, I am an open storage analyst, please, tell me I am wrong!


 I suggest you read the docs, particularly the ZFS Administration Guide.
 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs
 -- richard
 zStorageAnalyst

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 I don't understand your statement/questions.  This wasn't a response to 
 ZFS versus every possible storage platform in the world.  The original 
 poster was asking about comparing  ZFS versus hardware RAID on specific 
 machines as mentioned in the title.  AFAIK you don't get compression, 
 snapshots and clones with standard hardware RAID cards.
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