Richard, thank you so very much!
This is the kind of answer I expected from Sun Storage.
I will do more studies before I speak again.
Happy holidays!!!
z

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Elling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Joseph Zhou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "William D. Hathaway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
<zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
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Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware Raid Vs ZFS implementation on 
SunX4150/X4450


> Joseph Zhou wrote:
>> Yeah?
>> http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/products/Controllers/Hardware/sas/value/SAS-31605/_details/Series3_FAQs.htm
>> Snapshot is a big deal?
>>
>
> Snapshot is a big deal, but you will find most "hardware" RAID 
> implementations
> are somewhat limited, as the above adaptec only supports 4 snapshots and 
> it is an
> optional feature.  You will find many array vendors will be happy to 
> charge lots
> of money for the snapshot feature.
>
>> Windows OS does that too.
>>
>
> Not the Windows OS I run on my laptop.  But the feature seems to be best 
> integrated
> on Max OSX.
>
>> Compression -- where is the performance data showing compression in 
>> OpenSolaris has little overhead?
>>
>
> If you search these archives you will find instances where compression
> performance is much faster than not, and you will find instances where
> compression has significant overhead.  YMMV.  As with most things,
> there are engineering and design trade-offs that you should consider.
>
>> Clones -- tell me the benefit of Clone when we have point-in-time copies 
>> with continuous, policy-based protection?  And snapshot images are mostly 
>> writable and sync-able today?
>>
>
> In ZFS, snapshots are read-only.  Clones are created from a snapshot
> and can be writable.  We use clones extensively for OS upgrading and
> patching.  For example, when you upgrade OpenSolaris, we clone the
> OS file systems and upgrade the clone, so that you can move forward
> or roll back to different versions.  Many people use clones for virtual
> machines.
>
>> Man, I am an open storage analyst, please, tell me I am wrong!!!!!
>>
>
> I suggest you read the docs, particularly the ZFS Administration Guide.
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs
> -- richard
>> zStorageAnalyst
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "William D. Hathaway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware Raid Vs ZFS implementation on Sun 
>> X4150/X4450
>>
>>
>>
>>> I don't understand your statement/questions.  This wasn't a response to 
>>> "ZFS versus every possible storage platform in the world".  The original 
>>> poster was asking about comparing  ZFS versus hardware RAID on specific 
>>> machines as mentioned in the title.  AFAIK you don't get compression, 
>>> snapshots and clones with standard hardware RAID cards.
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