[Zope] znolk wizard
Does anybody have a recent-ish copy of Znolk wizard product or know where I could get hold of a copy. The original source no longer has it and the one on the zope.org site is very old. In particular I would like it to function with SQLite. Regards Garry ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] dtml-in
that works, thanks. --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Andreas Jung wrote: From: Andreas Jung Subject: Re: [Zope] dtml-in To: cybercruis...@yahoo.com Cc: zope@zope.org Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 10:56 PM -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 5:20 Uhr, Bobby wrote: > Hi, > > I have a variable called "checkGroup" where its values are the record ids that the user selected to be deleted. I have a deleteRecord method that takes two arguements, one the sql table and the record id to be deleted. The code below works fine except for when the user only select one item from the checkGroup list, I get an error "string not allow in in". Any suggestions of how I could fix this? Thanks. > > > > > > Trible check that your form parameters use the ':list' directive within the NAME attributes (check with the Zope Book (docs.zope.org). - -akj -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAknURWAACgkQCJIWIbr9KYyepgCcCv5yINX6+DenO0SayWY3HnML Jo8AoOlY7ykeWzI/g2jPfklXUVy5wgIS =L0Im -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Freelancing fees
Hi guys, I've been working for the same Zope or Django projects for virtually 5 years now, but recently, the circumstances and I reached an agreement concluding that it's time to start looking at freelancing. In consequence I need to set an hourly fee rate for the team. So, I'm running a small studio in Argentina, taking both graphic design and programming stuff. The GD fee may be easier for me to figure than the programming one; particularly, I was wondering if the fact of knowing Zope2 very well added any cent to the "general programming" fee (whatever that could be). I know there are uncountable factors that make up this figure, but in order to achieve some kind of reference: Off the top of your heads, which is a reasonable hourly fee for a project/task/client including zope-specific skills in the job description? $/€ 1, 15, 30, 50, 100, 300, ...? Furthermore: how much if it doesn't? Regards, Pablo Ziliani PS: any tip on getting Python/Zope freelance jobs, highly appreciated ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Overriding DateTime
Tim Knapp wrote: > Thanks. One thing, though, it appears that testfixtures requires python > 2.5 as it tries to import functools that was introduced in python 2.5. > > /me carries on trying to get it going :) Indeed, guess you'll have to go for Zope 2.12 :-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Overriding DateTime
Dieter Maurer wrote: > Be aware, however, that this replacing takes effect only after > your assignment. Modules that already have imported the "DateTime" > class will not be affected. Yes, but you can replace them in the same way... Just make sure you wrap in a try/finally so you un-replace no matter what happens... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] How to add existing folder in Zope
robert rottermann wrote: > thedag...@gmail.com schrieb: >> make that: LocalFS hasn't been updated since 2006. > it still works fine, > there is only a line you have to change in its code where it pulls in security > from cmf to some other cmf module. when starting up cmf tells you what is > wrong. > so its really easy to fix. > robert Maybe you could take ownership and roll a release, preferably as an egg? Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] How to add existing folder in Zope
Tim Nash wrote: > Or you can install plone and know that it has been well tested, it is > well maintained Ho ho ho... surely you jest?! > Look, you can do it anyway you want but if you want to imply that my > suggestion to use Plone is 'insane' you need to come up with a better > alternative than LocalFS. Actually, I'd back Jens on this one... You swallow Plohn you're swallowing one *huge* codebase that will have you trapped with some obscure set of versions of stuff (including Zope!) for years to come. > But of course this is all moot. For most installs the best way to use > large javascript libraries is to put it into an apache folder. Indeed. Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] How to add existing folder in Zope
Tim Nash wrote: > > Installing Plone in such a case is only the solution if one has no > better idea about doing things > > *sigh* ...and people wonder why the zope community is dying. That Zope community moved off and became the Plone community long ago. I'd argue that anyone starting a new project in plain Zope 2 nowadays would doesn't already have years of experience with Zope is making a mistake... ...and those people would probably use repoze nowadays anyway. > I have my very reasonable way of using zope/plone and personal attacks > are not going to change my mind. Pointing out you're wrong is not a personal attack. Telling you that you smell would be a personal attack ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] How to add existing folder in Zope
Andreas Jung wrote: > It basically about looking left and right and choosing the right tool > for a problem. Installing Plone for your usecase is totally inadequate. > It's like driving with a tank to the supermarket around the corner for > buying a banana. ...a tank with some wheels missing, a hatch that might not open and a ticking bomb in its ammunition store :-P Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] RIP Zope 2!
Tim Nash wrote: > No your response and Jens response are totally inappropriate. We will > never rebuild this community if all our posts are greeted with personal > attacks. *This* community is dead, get over it and move on. Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] How to add existing folder in Zope
Tim Nash wrote: > If you are going to ignore my arguments about Plone being well tested, it isn't. > easy to install it isn't. > and having a better upgrade path than a customized > solution like patching localFS, it doesn't. deal with it. For whatever the OP is likely to want to do, he's probably *much* better off with Django, Pylons or repoze.bfg. Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] How to add existing folder in Zope
Dieter Maurer wrote: > "SkinnedFolder" (at least if you mean > "http://www.handshake.de/~dieter/pyprojects/zope/index.html#bct_sec_4.7";) > makes "CMFCore"'s "SkinsTool" available (without the need to use > "CMFDefault" or portal objects). That might involve getting support from you though, Dieter, and that's not always a pleasant experience ;-) > "FileSystemSite" > (http://www.zope.org/Members/k_vertigo/Products/FileSystemSite) > is the standalone "DirectoryView" functionality. Kapilware may leave you in a position of no support with someone laughing at you for using it. It's happened to me ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] LocalFS unsupported and doesn't work without patching...
Dieter Maurer wrote: > I am very happy about stable packages because I often extend them. > > For example, I have extended "LocalFS" to allow configuration of > its instances via environment variables. This allows us to synchronize > our ZODBs in the test and development environments with the production > environment (helpful to perform tests and resolve issues) even though > the file system layout is different. Then why not pick it up, release it and support it, since no-one else is doing so? ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] znolk wizard
ga...@schoolteachers.co.uk wrote: > Does anybody have a recent-ish copy of Znolk wizard product or know where I > could get hold of a copy. The original source no longer has it and the one on > the zope.org site is very old. In particular I would like it to function with > SQLite. Doesn't think generate SQL methods or something similarly old and crufty? I seem to remember this thing spitting out dtml... Any reason you couldn't do what you want it to do as a seperate wsgi app? Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] LocalFS unsupported and doesn't work without patching...
Chris Withers wrote at 2009-4-2 20:24 +0100: >Dieter Maurer wrote: >> I am very happy about stable packages because I often extend them. >> >> For example, I have extended "LocalFS" to allow configuration of >> its instances via environment variables. This allows us to synchronize >> our ZODBs in the test and development environments with the production >> environment (helpful to perform tests and resolve issues) even though >> the file system layout is different. > >Then why not pick it up, release it and support it, since no-one else is >doing so? ;-) I am fine with the current situation (with respect to "LocalFS", not with respect to "Zope")... -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] LocalFS unsupported and doesn't work without patching...
Dieter Maurer wrote: > Chris Withers wrote at 2009-4-2 20:24 +0100: >> Dieter Maurer wrote: >>> I am very happy about stable packages because I often extend them. >>> >>> For example, I have extended "LocalFS" to allow configuration of >>> its instances via environment variables. This allows us to synchronize >>> our ZODBs in the test and development environments with the production >>> environment (helpful to perform tests and resolve issues) even though >>> the file system layout is different. >> Then why not pick it up, release it and support it, since no-one else is >> doing so? ;-) > > I am fine with the current situation (with respect to "LocalFS", > not with respect to "Zope")... Then you're part of the Zope problem ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] LocalFS unsupported and doesn't work without patching...
+---[ Chris Withers ]-- | Dieter Maurer wrote: | > Chris Withers wrote at 2009-4-2 20:24 +0100: | >> Dieter Maurer wrote: | >>> I am very happy about stable packages because I often extend them. | >>> | >>> For example, I have extended "LocalFS" to allow configuration of | >>> its instances via environment variables. This allows us to synchronize | >>> our ZODBs in the test and development environments with the production | >>> environment (helpful to perform tests and resolve issues) even though | >>> the file system layout is different. | >> Then why not pick it up, release it and support it, since no-one else is | >> doing so? ;-) | > | > I am fine with the current situation (with respect to "LocalFS", | > not with respect to "Zope")... | | Then you're part of the Zope problem ;-) As opposed to random deprecation and removal of interfaces that causes otherwise working code to break ? -- Andrew Milton a...@theinternet.com.au ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] LocalFS unsupported and doesn't work without patching...
Andrew Milton wrote: > | > I am fine with the current situation (with respect to "LocalFS", > | > not with respect to "Zope")... > | > | Then you're part of the Zope problem ;-) > > As opposed to random deprecation and removal of interfaces that causes > otherwise working code to break ? Heh, Zope 2 has died a death of a thousand cuts. Plohn was a pretty big slice in that ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
Remember this: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/04/01/parrot.htm Well, that lead to this: http://www.parrot.org/ One of the reasons I got suckered into replying was that I thought this might be the result of some stuff a few of us had talked about at the Zope BOF at PyCon. I actually think having a 4.0 release of Zope that unifies things could be used to make things a lot clearer... - Zope Framework 4.0 What Martijn has announced and is already being worked on extensively. - Zope A 4.0 What was to be Zope 2.12 - Zope B 4.0 Whatever the next pending release of the Zope 3 appserver stuff was to be. (Need to keep the Canonical and ZC guys happy afterall ;-) ) www.zope.org could then just be a radically cut down link portal to a.zope.org, b.zope.org and framework.zope.org, which I'd imagine to be brochurewear, download and/or KGS sites for each of the above. I'd suggesting splitting the svn access stuff out to dev.zope.org because it transcends all three. docs.zope.org could hoover up the rest, with any remaining stuff being humanely dispatched. Seriously, how do people feel about this? Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
+---[ Chris Withers ]-- | Remember this: | Seriously, how do people feel about this? You can do anything you want with your time... who are we to judge? d8) -- Andrew Milton a...@theinternet.com.au ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
Andrew Milton wrote: > +---[ Chris Withers ]-- > | Remember this: > > | Seriously, how do people feel about this? > > You can do anything you want with your time... who are we to judge? d8) Well, if there were no complaints I might do just that... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
On Apr 2, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Chris Withers wrote: > Remember this: > > http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/04/01/parrot.htm > > Well, that lead to this: > > http://www.parrot.org/ > > One of the reasons I got suckered into replying was that I thought > this > might be the result of some stuff a few of us had talked about at the > Zope BOF at PyCon. > > I actually think having a 4.0 release of Zope that unifies things > could > be used to make things a lot clearer... > > - Zope Framework 4.0 > > What Martijn has announced and is already being worked on extensively. > > - Zope A 4.0 > > What was to be Zope 2.12 > > - Zope B 4.0 > > Whatever the next pending release of the Zope 3 appserver stuff was to > be. (Need to keep the Canonical and ZC guys happy afterall ;-) ) > > www.zope.org could then just be a radically cut down link portal to > a.zope.org, b.zope.org and framework.zope.org, which I'd imagine to be > brochurewear, download and/or KGS sites for each of the above. > > I'd suggesting splitting the svn access stuff out to dev.zope.org > because it transcends all three. > > docs.zope.org could hoover up the rest, with any remaining stuff being > humanely dispatched. > > Seriously, how do people feel about this? I don't think we need A&B. Maybe just "Zope" and "Zope Framework". I like the idea of using a number larger than 3. (I've suggested 5 in the past.) Overall +1. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
Jim Fulton wrote: >> What Martijn has announced and is already being worked on extensively. >> >> - Zope A 4.0 >> >> What was to be Zope 2.12 >> >> - Zope B 4.0 >> >> Whatever the next pending release of the Zope 3 appserver stuff was to >> be. (Need to keep the Canonical and ZC guys happy afterall ;-) ) >> >> www.zope.org could then just be a radically cut down link portal to >> a.zope.org, b.zope.org and framework.zope.org, which I'd imagine to be >> brochurewear, download and/or KGS sites for each of the above. >> >> I'd suggesting splitting the svn access stuff out to dev.zope.org >> because it transcends all three. >> >> docs.zope.org could hoover up the rest, with any remaining stuff being >> humanely dispatched. >> >> Seriously, how do people feel about this? > > I don't think we need A&B. Maybe just "Zope" and "Zope Framework". Unfortunately, as we discovered at the BOF, and what is currently a significant cause of confusion, is that the "Zope" bit isn't just one thing, we basically have two app-server projects named Zope right now: - Zope 2 Used by Plone, and a few die-hard stragglers and unfortunate passerby's who get sucked in by the rubbish on www.zope.org - Zope 3 Use by Canonical for Launchpad and (well, was suspected anyway) by ZC. I'm sure there are more. The only sane solution I can think of is to give them both different names (I'm not wedded to A and B, maybe Classic and Advanced?) and let them evolve at their own pace from now on. I suspect their evolution will be glacial compared to things like Repoze.bfg and Grok, which should become the "new user" stories in the Zope world. I'd *really* like to see the majority of the current www.zope.org simply eradicated from existence. It's out of date and a source of nothing but confusion. cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] znolk wizard
Quoting Chris Withers : > ga...@schoolteachers.co.uk wrote: >> Does anybody have a recent-ish copy of Znolk wizard product or know where I >> could get hold of a copy. The original source no longer has it and >> the one on >> the zope.org site is very old. In particular I would like it to >> function with >> SQLite. > > Doesn't think generate SQL methods or something similarly old and crufty? Yes it is old, but it is the only reliable thing I've found to rapidly generate database edit forms and csv up/download methods. > I seem to remember this thing spitting out dtml... It generates dtml and ZSQLmethods reliably. > > Any reason you couldn't do what you want it to do as a seperate wsgi app? Yes, it is not used to generate finished apps, only prototypes and initial templates. Like my Ducati it's old, but like my Ducati it still works, and I'm not going to throw the Ducati away just because it's old. Regards Garry ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] znolk wizard
ga...@schoolteachers.co.uk wrote: > Yes it is old, but it is the only reliable thing I've found to rapidly > generate > database edit forms and csv up/download methods. You should really give Django a go for this sort of thing, from what I understand, it's one of its main sweetspots... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
On Apr 2, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Chris Withers wrote: > Jim Fulton wrote: >>> What Martijn has announced and is already being worked on >>> extensively. >>> >>> - Zope A 4.0 >>> >>> What was to be Zope 2.12 >>> >>> - Zope B 4.0 >>> >>> Whatever the next pending release of the Zope 3 appserver stuff >>> was to >>> be. (Need to keep the Canonical and ZC guys happy afterall ;-) ) >>> >>> www.zope.org could then just be a radically cut down link portal to >>> a.zope.org, b.zope.org and framework.zope.org, which I'd imagine >>> to be >>> brochurewear, download and/or KGS sites for each of the above. >>> >>> I'd suggesting splitting the svn access stuff out to dev.zope.org >>> because it transcends all three. >>> >>> docs.zope.org could hoover up the rest, with any remaining stuff >>> being >>> humanely dispatched. >>> >>> Seriously, how do people feel about this? >> I don't think we need A&B. Maybe just "Zope" and "Zope Framework". > > Unfortunately, as we discovered at the BOF, and what is currently a > significant cause of confusion, is that the "Zope" bit isn't just > one thing, we basically have two app-server projects named Zope > right now: > > - Zope 2 > > Used by Plone, and a few die-hard stragglers and unfortunate > passerby's who get sucked in by the rubbish on www.zope.org > > - Zope 3 > > Use by Canonical for Launchpad and (well, was suspected anyway) by > ZC. I'm sure there are more. We and canonical use the Zope Framework. We don't use an application. Zope (aka Zope 2) is an extensible application. We (ZC and Canonical and others) assemble components from the Zope Framework to build our own applications. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
Jim Fulton wrote: > We and canonical use the Zope Framework. We don't use an > application. Zope (aka Zope 2) is an extensible application. We (ZC > and Canonical and others) assemble components from the Zope Framework > to build our own applications. Hmm, maybe I got this wrong, but Gary Poster expressed a strong concern that "zope 3 the app server" needed to keep living. I do think the name "Zope" should never be used on its own again. I think "Zope Classic" would certainly work for "Zope 2 the app server", it conveys the right things: - mature - stable - maybe not the best choice for new development. cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 22:17 Uhr, Chris Withers wrote: > I'd *really* like to see the majority of the current www.zope.org simply > eradicated from existence. It's out of date and a source of nothing but > confusion. > Andrew & others have been working on this issue at the sprint. There is consensus that www.zope.org must be turned into landing page with some mission statement and then links to the related subprojects. The current zope.org site should be moved to old.zope.org (it must remain available for the time being (with URL redirections to the Products and Member area). - -aj -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAknVH9AACgkQCJIWIbr9KYwZJQCgj1m4OH2KLVwxRej6zh2SaUen rMIAoNpVbCIFop0jLO8LFmhHCxeij9ov =O/6m -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Andreas Jung n:Jung;Andreas org:ZOPYX Ltd. & Co. KG adr;quoted-printable:;;Charlottenstr. 37/1;T=C3=BCbingen;;72070;Germany email;internet:i...@zopyx.com title:CEO tel;work:+49-7071-793376 tel;fax:+49-7071-7936840 tel;home:+49-7071-793257 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.zopyx.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
Andreas Jung wrote: > Andrew & others have been working on this issue at the sprint. There is > consensus that www.zope.org must be turned into landing page with some > mission statement and then links to the related subprojects. The current > zope.org site should be moved to old.zope.org (it must remain > available for the time being (with URL redirections to the Products > and Member area). Why does it need to keep living even at old.zope.org? Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
+---[ Chris Withers ]-- | Jim Fulton wrote: | > We and canonical use the Zope Framework. We don't use an | > application. Zope (aka Zope 2) is an extensible application. We (ZC | > and Canonical and others) assemble components from the Zope Framework | > to build our own applications. | | Hmm, maybe I got this wrong, but Gary Poster expressed a strong concern | that "zope 3 the app server" needed to keep living. | | I do think the name "Zope" should never be used on its own again. | | I think "Zope Classic" would certainly work for "Zope 2 the app server", | it conveys the right things: | | - mature | - stable | - maybe not the best choice for new development. ^ for you -- Andrew Milton a...@theinternet.com.au ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
Andrew Milton wrote: > | - mature > | - stable > | - maybe not the best choice for new development. > ^ for you Indeed, but "classic" doesn't have any "bad" connotations as far as I'm concerned, and it'll need to keep living as long as Plone relies on it, which will be forever... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
+---[ Chris Withers ]-- | Andreas Jung wrote: | > Andrew & others have been working on this issue at the sprint. There is | > consensus that www.zope.org must be turned into landing page with some | > mission statement and then links to the related subprojects. The current | > zope.org site should be moved to old.zope.org (it must remain | > available for the time being (with URL redirections to the Products | > and Member area). | | Why does it need to keep living even at old.zope.org? Why do you care if it does? -- Andrew Milton a...@theinternet.com.au ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
+---[ Chris Withers ]-- | Andrew Milton wrote: | >| - mature | >| - stable | >| - maybe not the best choice for new development. | > ^ for you | | Indeed, but "classic" doesn't have any "bad" connotations as far as I'm | concerned, and it'll need to keep living as long as Plone relies on it, | which will be forever... Plenty of people use it without plone. You might want to crawl out of the vacuum you live in. -- Andrew Milton a...@theinternet.com.au ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
Andrew Milton wrote: > | Why does it need to keep living even at old.zope.org? > > Why do you care if it does? Because someone needs to look after the (rather large, ancient and crufty) zope instance in which it lives, and it keeps on tripping up innocent passers-by. I don't think many of these passers by will be put off by the old.zope.org url and we'll still end up with people wondering why LocalFS doesn't work in Zope Classic 4.0 ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
Andrew Milton wrote: > | Indeed, but "classic" doesn't have any "bad" connotations as far as I'm > | concerned, and it'll need to keep living as long as Plone relies on it, > | which will be forever... > > Plenty of people use it without plone. You might want to crawl out of > the vacuum you live in. Yes, and I'm one of them, but I don't think it's fair to try and tempt new users into it... I'm happy to be proven wrong by you writing lots of decent docs, picking up maintenance of zope.org and LocalFS ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 22:29 Uhr, Chris Withers wrote: > Andreas Jung wrote: >> Andrew & others have been working on this issue at the sprint. There is >> consensus that www.zope.org must be turned into landing page with some >> mission statement and then links to the related subprojects. The current >> zope.org site should be moved to old.zope.org (it must remain >> available for the time being (with URL redirections to the Products >> and Member area). > > Why does it need to keep living even at old.zope.org? > Because we can't break existing download URL - neither to old Zope releases nor to old product releases. - -aj -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAknVIY8ACgkQCJIWIbr9KYyzOwCdGarB1iSUzJeQJ1m1XJvx29yq 6p8An2pgzm1AXhEeBZd+LyBBpPCYtWE7 =aZgz -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Andreas Jung n:Jung;Andreas org:ZOPYX Ltd. & Co. KG adr;quoted-printable:;;Charlottenstr. 37/1;T=C3=BCbingen;;72070;Germany email;internet:i...@zopyx.com title:CEO tel;work:+49-7071-793376 tel;fax:+49-7071-7936840 tel;home:+49-7071-793257 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.zopyx.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
Andreas Jung wrote: > > Because we can't break existing download URL - neither to old Zope > releases I'd imagine the full set of releases would appear on the respective parts of classic.zope.org or advanced.zope.org... > nor to old product releases. I wonder how many of these are actually safe to use nowadays? (ie: run without patching and have an active maintainer) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 22:37 Uhr, Chris Withers wrote: > Andreas Jung wrote: >> >> Because we can't break existing download URL - neither to old Zope >> releases > > I'd imagine the full set of releases would appear on the respective > parts of classic.zope.org or advanced.zope.org... *shrug* I don't care if those releases on the new zope2.zope.org microsite or somewhere else. The point is that the release should remain available under their well-known URL - and I won't work on the migration of the old stuff to a new site in any way :-) > >> nor to old product releases. > > I wonder how many of these are actually safe to use nowadays? > (ie: run without patching and have an active maintainer) > This is not the point. We're playing nice and won't break those links - used or not used . - -aj -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAknVIwIACgkQCJIWIbr9KYzbkgCg4dLwS9jao+ay5E7w700iikMI ZlMAoKQpI4UqJBDF2BjR0Uj+LIStKh+8 =Z4yc -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Andreas Jung n:Jung;Andreas org:ZOPYX Ltd. & Co. KG adr;quoted-printable:;;Charlottenstr. 37/1;T=C3=BCbingen;;72070;Germany email;internet:i...@zopyx.com title:CEO tel;work:+49-7071-793376 tel;fax:+49-7071-7936840 tel;home:+49-7071-793257 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.zopyx.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
Andreas Jung wrote: >> I'd imagine the full set of releases would appear on the respective >> parts of classic.zope.org or advanced.zope.org... > > *shrug* I don't care if those releases on the new zope2.zope.org Please not zope2.zope.org, the insane version naming has *got* to stop... > microsite or somewhere else. The point is that the release should > remain available under their well-known URL How does moving it all to old.zope.org fit with this requirement? Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 22:45 Uhr, Chris Withers wrote: > Andreas Jung wrote: >>> I'd imagine the full set of releases would appear on the respective >>> parts of classic.zope.org or advanced.zope.org... >> >> *shrug* I don't care if those releases on the new zope2.zope.org > > Please not zope2.zope.org, the insane version naming has *got* to stop... We might discuss this unhurriedly. To sleep and being in vacation mood in order to discuss this now :-) At least the term 'classic' is a NO-GO for me. > >> microsite or somewhere else. The point is that the release should >> remain available under their well-known URL > > How does moving it all to old.zope.org fit with this requirement? That was actually my proposal if I wasn't clear enough. Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAknVJR0ACgkQCJIWIbr9KYwg3ACg3rrtvqlQ4lRCpuSa5tbU2Pkp yRYAnRXOfRhkkYwAHY9BNTbu8TnjXREX =UPOq -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Andreas Jung n:Jung;Andreas org:ZOPYX Ltd. & Co. KG adr;quoted-printable:;;Charlottenstr. 37/1;T=C3=BCbingen;;72070;Germany email;internet:i...@zopyx.com title:CEO tel;work:+49-7071-793376 tel;fax:+49-7071-7936840 tel;home:+49-7071-793257 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.zopyx.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
Andreas Jung wrote: > We might discuss this unhurriedly. To sleep and being in vacation mood > in order to discuss this now :-) At least the term 'classic' is a NO-GO > for me. Why? Would you prefer 'a' or maybe 'old'? ;-) >>> microsite or somewhere else. The point is that the release should >>> remain available under their well-known URL >> How does moving it all to old.zope.org fit with this requirement? > > That was actually my proposal if I wasn't clear enough. You were clear that you want both old.zope.org and releases to remain available under their well-known urls. I don't see how those two requirements are compatible? Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.04.2009 22:52 Uhr, Chris Withers wrote: > Andreas Jung wrote: >> We might discuss this unhurriedly. To sleep and being in vacation mood >> in order to discuss this now :-) At least the term 'classic' is a NO-GO >> for me. > > Why? Would you prefer 'a' or maybe 'old'? ;-) > microsite or somewhere else. The point is that the release should remain available under their well-known URL >>> How does moving it all to old.zope.org fit with this requirement? >> >> That was actually my proposal if I wasn't clear enough. > > You were clear that you want both old.zope.org and releases to remain > available under their well-known urls. I don't see how those two > requirements are compatible? You heard of rewrite rules? :-) Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAknVJoEACgkQCJIWIbr9KYwZ/ACeIDqgsWtPkAUJILc1rMYaWYbr K+kAnjjjL54om11gdukeeb7UDml//XW2 =+lhX -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Andreas Jung n:Jung;Andreas org:ZOPYX Ltd. & Co. KG adr;quoted-printable:;;Charlottenstr. 37/1;T=C3=BCbingen;;72070;Germany email;internet:i...@zopyx.com title:CEO tel;work:+49-7071-793376 tel;fax:+49-7071-7936840 tel;home:+49-7071-793257 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.zopyx.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...
+---[ Chris Withers ]-- | Andrew Milton wrote: | >| Indeed, but "classic" doesn't have any "bad" connotations as far as I'm | >| concerned, and it'll need to keep living as long as Plone relies on it, | >| which will be forever... | > | >Plenty of people use it without plone. You might want to crawl out of | >the vacuum you live in. | | Yes, and I'm one of them, but I don't think it's fair to try and tempt | new users into it... | | I'm happy to be proven wrong by you writing lots of decent docs, picking | up maintenance of zope.org and LocalFS ;-) You're good at volunteering people to do work. I already maintain a lot of code, and I have my own LocalFS-type code so I don't see the need to maintain a different one. If I was using it, I would happily take it over, in the same way I've given my code over to other people to maintain. As for docs, an army of people continually volunteer on #zope to update the zope book. Given my other contributions to Zope society, there are people far better suited to writing technical documentation than I. I'm happy to be a knowledge resource for anyone wanting to update the existing book / write a new freely available document. -- Andrew Milton a...@theinternet.com.au ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] RIP Zope 2!
> > *This* community is dead, get over it and move on. Yeah, you are right. If you really think zope 3 (or 4) can stand on it's own, just rename zope 2 to 'plone base'. That will cut down on the confusion. But beware, unless you can make zope 4 more appealling to a wider group of casual developers it will be reduced to little more than a well regarded library. Not anything an IT manager is in a hurry to bring in-house. You may want to take a good look at how much money you actually make on zope 3 consulting before you kill zope 2. Good luck and thanks for all the contributions. -Tim ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] znolk wizard
take collective.mercury this generates intterfaces from every table. with such an interface yaou need only a couple of lines to build an edit form for every table. somethings like: class DeclarationKLView(formbase.PageForm): form_fields = form.Fields(ItblDeclaration_klTable) ignoreContext = True # don't use context to get widget data #def __init__(self, *args, **kw): #ItemAddForm.__init__(self, *args, **kw) @form.action(_(u"Send")) def action_send(self, action, data): """Send the email to the site administrator and redirect to the front page, showing a status message to say the message was received. """ self.ToWhatIsNeededToBeDone(..) robert ga...@schoolteachers.co.uk schrieb: > Quoting Chris Withers : > >> ga...@schoolteachers.co.uk wrote: >>> Does anybody have a recent-ish copy of Znolk wizard product or know where I >>> could get hold of a copy. The original source no longer has it and >>> the one on >>> the zope.org site is very old. In particular I would like it to >>> function with >>> SQLite. >> Doesn't think generate SQL methods or something similarly old and crufty? > > Yes it is old, but it is the only reliable thing I've found to rapidly > generate > database edit forms and csv up/download methods. > >> I seem to remember this thing spitting out dtml... > > It generates dtml and ZSQLmethods reliably. > >> Any reason you couldn't do what you want it to do as a seperate wsgi app? > > Yes, it is not used to generate finished apps, only prototypes and initial > templates. > Like my Ducati it's old, but like my Ducati it still works, and I'm not > going to > throw the Ducati away just because it's old. > > > Regards > Garry > > ___ > Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > > ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
