[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/ preparing 2.12.0a2
Log message for revision 99247: preparing 2.12.0a2 Changed: U Zope/trunk/doc/CHANGES.rst U Zope/trunk/inst/WinBuilders/mk/zope.mk U Zope/trunk/inst/versions.py -=- Modified: Zope/trunk/doc/CHANGES.rst === --- Zope/trunk/doc/CHANGES.rst 2009-04-17 13:52:12 UTC (rev 99246) +++ Zope/trunk/doc/CHANGES.rst 2009-04-17 14:16:32 UTC (rev 99247) @@ -5,9 +5,10 @@ Change information for previous versions of Zope can be found in the file HISTORY.txt. -Trunk (unreleased) --- +2.12.0a2 (2009-04-17) +- + Known issues Modified: Zope/trunk/inst/WinBuilders/mk/zope.mk === --- Zope/trunk/inst/WinBuilders/mk/zope.mk 2009-04-17 13:52:12 UTC (rev 99246) +++ Zope/trunk/inst/WinBuilders/mk/zope.mk 2009-04-17 14:16:32 UTC (rev 99247) @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ -ZOPEVERSION = 2.12.0-a1 +ZOPEVERSION = 2.12.0-a2 ZOPEDIRNAME := Zope-$(ZOPEVERSION) ZOPE_REQUIRED_FILES=tmp/$(ZOPEDIRNAME).tgz Modified: Zope/trunk/inst/versions.py === --- Zope/trunk/inst/versions.py 2009-04-17 13:52:12 UTC (rev 99246) +++ Zope/trunk/inst/versions.py 2009-04-17 14:16:32 UTC (rev 99247) @@ -4,4 +4,4 @@ # always start prerelease branches with '0' to avoid upgrade # issues in RPMs -VERSION_RELEASE_TAG = 'a1' +VERSION_RELEASE_TAG = 'a2' ___ Zope-Checkins maillist - Zope-Checkins@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-checkins
[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/trunk/doc/INSTALL.rst added note on easy_install
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Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
Hey, Martin Aspeli wrote: [snip] I do realise that this derails Maritjn's focus slightly, but I don't think we've lost the idea that there may be value in maintaining a larger KGS. The whole idea of whatever-Zope 3-is-designated-as just being a larger KGS strikes me as strange. Frankly it strikes me as indicative of what's wrong with this community. Grok isn't just a KGS; it's a project and there's documentation and a web presence. Zope 2 isn't just a KGS either. If the perception of such a thing is that limited... oh well, I will stop worrying about it altogether. It's not going to be very popular. I'll note again that the Zope Toolkit won't have documents on How to get started developing with the Zope Toolkit. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
Martijn Faassen wrote: Hey, Martin Aspeli wrote: [snip] I do realise that this derails Maritjn's focus slightly, but I don't think we've lost the idea that there may be value in maintaining a larger KGS. The whole idea of whatever-Zope 3-is-designated-as just being a larger KGS strikes me as strange. Frankly it strikes me as indicative of what's wrong with this community. Grok isn't just a KGS; it's a project and there's documentation and a web presence. Zope 2 isn't just a KGS either. Sigh... this discussion is just really difficult. I don't really understand what the problem is here, or why it's indicative of what's wrong with this community, but then I'm pretty lost in concepts and names at this stage. I think you're reading way too much into what I wrote though. I just meant thing using the Zope Toolkit but adding more stuff, e.g. an app server project or a shared management UI project. If the perception of such a thing is that limited... oh well, I will stop worrying about it altogether. It's not going to be very popular. I'll note again that the Zope Toolkit won't have documents on How to get started developing with the Zope Toolkit. True, though I hope it'll have some kind of documentation on how other projects can approach it and re-use it, or it won't be very successful. ;) I'll say again, though: Gary's version of the story (the Zope 3 community has become focused on supporting other app servers and frameworks, and is renaming the software stack that serves that purpose to the Zope Toolkit reads pretty well to me). Better than the other stories I've seen here, because it doesn't really concern itself with specific packages or features or a delta of those against a hypothetical smaller toolkit. In other words, I have a pretty good idea of what it means just from reading that sentence, and I can draw some conclusions about what it may mean for my existing Zope3-based projects and what it may mean for other projects (Grok, Zope 2, bfg) that have used Zope 3 components. Martin -- Author of `Professional Plone Development`, a book for developers who want to work with Plone. See http://martinaspeli.net/plone-book ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Zope 2.12 webdav source browser doesn't appear to work
Hi All,
I tried to connect up to Zope 2.12 by the webdav source port today and
got the following in the event log::
2009-04-17 09:13:48 ERROR Zope.SiteErrorLog 1239956028.70.143658354715
http://192.168.1.12:1980/@@home
Traceback (innermost last):
Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 119, in publish
Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 77, in mapply
Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 42, in call_object
Module zope.app.pagetemplate.simpleviewclass, line 44, in __call__
Module zope.app.pagetemplate.viewpagetemplatefile, line 83, in __call__
Module Products.Five.browser.pagetemplatefile, line 53, in __call__
Module zope.pagetemplate.pagetemplate, line 115, in pt_render
- Warning: Macro expansion failed
- Warning: class 'zope.location.interfaces.LocationError':
(webdav.NullResource.NullResource object at 0x9f41a2c, 'macros')
Module zope.tal.talinterpreter, line 271, in __call__
Module zope.tal.talinterpreter, line 343, in interpret
Module zope.tal.talinterpreter, line 867, in do_useMacro
Module zope.tales.tales, line 696, in evaluate
- URL: {myproject}/browser/html/home.html
- Line 3, Column 0
- Expression: PathExpr
standard:u'root/standard_template.pt/macros/main'
- Names:
{'args': (),
'container': Application at ,
'context': Application at ,
'default': object object at 0xb7d5e548,
'here': Application at ,
'loop': {},
'nothing': None,
'options': {},
'repeat': Products.PageTemplates.Expressions.SafeMapping object
at 0xa02720c,
'request': HTTPRequest, URL=http://192.168.1.12:1980/@@home,
'root': Application at ,
'template':
Products.Five.browser.pagetemplatefile.ViewPageTemplateFile object at
0x9e8c2ec,
'traverse_subpath': [],
'user': SpecialUser 'Anonymous User',
'view': Products.Five.metaclass.SimpleViewClass from
{myproject}/browser/html/home.html object at 0x96540cc,
'views': zope.app.pagetemplate.viewpagetemplatefile.ViewMapper
object at 0x9ffdb4c}
Module zope.tales.expressions, line 217, in __call__
Module Products.PageTemplates.Expressions, line 123, in _eval
Module zope.tales.expressions, line 124, in _eval
Module Products.PageTemplates.Expressions, line 75, in
boboAwareZopeTraverse
Module zope.traversing.adapters, line 139, in traversePathElement
- __traceback_info__: (webdav.NullResource.NullResource object at
0x9f417ac, 'macros')
Module zope.traversing.adapters, line 53, in traverse
- __traceback_info__: (webdav.NullResource.NullResource object at
0x9f417ac, 'macros', ['main'])
LocationError: (webdav.NullResource.NullResource object at 0x9f417ac,
'macros')
I don't know what this means, does anyone here?
If it helps, I'm using WebDrive as the client, and it's own internal
verbose logging gave:
04/17/09 09:13:55 7D8 [N:] Connecting to http://192.168.1.12:1980 ...
04/17/09 09:13:55 7D8 [N:] OPTIONS / HTTP/1.1
04/17/09 09:13:55 7D8 [N:] Host: 192.168.1.12:1980
04/17/09 09:13:55 7D8 [N:] User-Agent: WebDrive/6.07 NT DAV
04/17/09 09:13:55 7D8 [N:] Translate: f
04/17/09 09:13:55 7D8 [N:] Connection: close
04/17/09 09:14:06 7D8 [N:] HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error
04/17/09 09:14:06 7D8 [N:] Server: Zope/(unreleased version, python
2.5.1, linux2) ZServer/1.1
04/17/09 09:14:06 7D8 [N:] Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:13:59 GMT
04/17/09 09:14:06 7D8 [N:] Bobo-Exception-Line: 53
04/17/09 09:14:06 7D8 [N:] Content-Length: 3354
04/17/09 09:14:06 7D8 [N:] Bobo-Exception-Value: See the server error
log for details
04/17/09 09:14:06 7D8 [N:] Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
04/17/09 09:14:06 7D8 [N:] Bobo-Exception-Type: class
'zope.location.interfaces.LocationError'
04/17/09 09:14:06 7D8 [N:] Connection: close
04/17/09 09:14:06 7D8 [N:] Bobo-Exception-File: adapters.py
04/17/09 09:14:06 7D8 [N:] 500 Internal Server Error
04/17/09 09:14:06 7D8 [N:] Can't connect to WebDAV server at
http://192.168.1.12:1980, 500 Internal Server Error
Hope someone can help!
Chris
--
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting
- http://www.simplistix.co.uk
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Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
Hey Martin, Martin Aspeli wrote: [snip] Sigh... this discussion is just really difficult. I don't really understand what the problem is here, or why it's indicative of what's wrong with this community, but then I'm pretty lost in concepts and names at this stage. I think you're reading way too much into what I wrote though. I just meant thing using the Zope Toolkit but adding more stuff, e.g. an app server project or a shared management UI project. The difference is I think was that I'm not talking about just code; a KGS is just a list of versions. I'm talking about code and documentation and a presentation of this code as a whole that people can learn about and play with. The notion that it's just enough for Zope 3 to be pieces of code is part of what led me to Grok. If the notion of Zope 3 can be limited to just a greater set of packages where compatibility is tested, it's not really much of a project to speak of. That's fine, we have other projects like Grok that do care, but I'll stop worrying about it. I'll say again, though: Gary's version of the story (the Zope 3 community has become focused on supporting other app servers and frameworks, and is renaming the software stack that serves that purpose to the Zope Toolkit reads pretty well to me). Better than the other stories I've seen here, because it doesn't really concern itself with specific packages or features or a delta of those against a hypothetical smaller toolkit. In other words, I have a pretty good idea of what it means just from reading that sentence, and I can draw some conclusions about what it may mean for my existing Zope3-based projects and what it may mean for other projects (Grok, Zope 2, bfg) that have used Zope 3 components. Sure, it's a reasonable approach. I am just frustrated that the notion of a project that is something *more* than the Zope Toolkit seems to be so incredibly hard to explain in this context. That in itself speaks for Gary's proposal, as it's pretty easy to explain. The alternative explanation is that people understand what I'm talking about just fine. After all I'm talking about a project like Grok (or Django or Pylons or TurboGears or Rails or BFG) but one that takes a more traditional approach to configuring things (ZCML). The project described in Philipp's book, for instance. People may just all not care about it? People only seem to be interested in attracting new users to (bits of) this platform the context of Grok or BFG or Plone. I find it interesting and somewhat frustrating, but that's all history and I don't really need this project to exist anyway. I just thought that some people on this list do need such a project. So I'm ready to just go with Gary's plan and present this as a renaming recognizing that Zope 3 has become something very different, as there really indeed doesn't seem to be anything else left. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] People in the Zope 3 and ZMI teams
Hi From: zope-dev-boun...@zope.org [mailto:zope-dev-boun...@zope.org] On Behalf To be honest, zope3 (as it is today) is a nice platform for me and for my company to build web applications (and, in general, the ZCA is a nice platform for building not-only-web applications), and it would be a shame to loose it. Agreed that ZCA has great pottencial to be used as not-only-web-framework I have used ZCA+ZODB successfully in some desktop only projects Roman ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
Wow, long thread started just from an attempt to define the words we were talking about. :) On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:04, Martin Aspeli optilude+li...@gmail.com wrote: I'll say again, though: Gary's version of the story (the Zope 3 community has become focused on supporting other app servers and frameworks, and is renaming the software stack that serves that purpose to the Zope Toolkit reads pretty well to me). Yes. But the problem with it is that it isn't very true. The question then becomes if it's true enough to be a help or a hindrance in clearing up misconceptions. One problem with it is that it forces the hand of the people who want to continue to support Zope 3 (in sense 1 2 and 3), since they then *must* rename Zope 3 to something else. And if this happens, then we have the story that Zope 3 was renamed the Zope Toolkit, while in fact it was renamed to something else. A more truthful story is that Zope Toolkit is a base for writing frameworks, and that one of those frameworks was Zope 3, now renamed to something cool. But the support in this thread for the previous story makes me wonder if we shouldn't push that, slightly more incorrect story, anyway. People seem to understand it. It's in this situation possible that it's better with a false story that people understand than a correct story that just adds to the confusion. -- Lennart Regebro: Python, Zope, Plone, Grok http://regebro.wordpress.com/ +33 661 58 14 64 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 8 OK
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Thu Apr 16 12:00:00 2009 UTC to Fri Apr 17 12:00:00 2009 UTC. There were 8 messages: 8 from Zope Tests. Tests passed OK --- Subject: OK : Zope-2.10 Python-2.4.6 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Thu Apr 16 20:48:10 EDT 2009 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2009-April/011483.html Subject: OK : Zope-2.11 Python-2.4.6 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Thu Apr 16 20:50:11 EDT 2009 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2009-April/011484.html Subject: OK : Zope-trunk Python-2.4.6 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Thu Apr 16 20:52:11 EDT 2009 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2009-April/011485.html Subject: OK : Zope-trunk Python-2.5.4 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Thu Apr 16 20:54:11 EDT 2009 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2009-April/011486.html Subject: OK : Zope-trunk Python-2.6.1 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Thu Apr 16 20:56:11 EDT 2009 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2009-April/011487.html Subject: OK : Zope-trunk-alltests Python-2.4.6 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Thu Apr 16 20:58:11 EDT 2009 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2009-April/011488.html Subject: OK : Zope-trunk-alltests Python-2.5.4 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Thu Apr 16 21:00:11 EDT 2009 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2009-April/011489.html Subject: OK : Zope-trunk-alltests Python-2.6.1 : Linux From: Zope Tests Date: Thu Apr 16 21:02:11 EDT 2009 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2009-April/011490.html ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] People in the Zope 3 and ZMI teams
Hello there, * 2009-04-16 09:44, Martijn Faassen wrote: Just so we don't lose track of who are interested in maintaining Zope 3 (and/or the ZMI). I've distilled the following list of people who are interested in helping maintain Zope 3. This might mean making sure existing apps work, maintaining or replacing the ZMI, and working on making sure installation works. We can work out these details over time. I've just checked out that the domain zope3.org is not owned by the Zope Corporation. Do you have any idea about it? Would it be possible to claim it back? I'm thinking about taking over maintenance of zope3 in the wider term (not only maintaining the code, but also the community around it). To be honest, zope3 (as it is today) is a nice platform for me and for my company to build web applications (and, in general, the ZCA is a nice platform for building not-only-web applications), and it would be a shame to loose it. To make explicit: I am not talking just about maintaining the ZMI, I'm talking about making zope3 a *real* user-friendly web framework, as (for example) grok is already right now. Thanks. -- Fabio Tranchitella http://www.kobold.it Free Software Developer and Consultant http://www.tranchitella.it _ 1024D/7F961564, fpr 5465 6E69 E559 6466 BF3D 9F01 2BF8 EE2B 7F96 1564 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
Martijn Faassen schrieb: Hey, Martijn Faassen wrote: [snip] I put a mark in my calendar for October to reconsider the future of the name Zope 3 then. Given the responses to this thread I'm starting to lean towards pushing the message to the outside that Zope 3 has become Zope Toolkit, has a different focus, basically just as Gary stated, and really push this message internally (on zope-dev) as well. I'll think it over over the weekend (and discuss it with Christian Theune, as we're near to each other in rl then). Pushing this message inside the zope community is perfect. But I don't see a need to communicate to outsiders that Zope 3 has become the Zope Toolkit. This will be confusing to outsiders. They don't have to think about what Zope 3 is/was. As the discussions showed even participants of the zope developers mailing list have slightly different views on Zope3. We can safely market the Zope Toolkit with it's features and qualities. At the same time we should push everything related to Zope 2|3 (maybe a bit clearer as the Zope 2|3 Application Server) into the background. Insiders will find it. For outsiders we can add a warning that our focus is the Zope Toolkit, there are web frameworks out there that new developers can use, but the Zope 2/3 Application Servers are no longer recommended. If we want to do this right we need to come up with a good way to get the message out. We've traditionally not been very good at this form of communication, so hopefully this is also something we can do better in the New Order. We might want to delay this external communication to when we are in the alpha stage for the Zope Toolkit 1.0 release, however. Communicate to outsiders what we have, not what it should have been, is a start. Zope Toolkit 1.0 sounds great. Whatever naming we choose, it will always have one precondition to succeed: a new zope.org that clearly communicates things with the right priority. ..Carsten Btw: Somebody should change Zope Framework to Zope Toolkit on zope.org and remove the version number v3.5 from the Zope Toolkit documentation. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
Rob Miller schrieb: Gary Poster wrote: This message seems like a reasonable start to me: Zope 3 has become focused on supporting frameworks and applications, rather than trying to be one itself. It is now called the Zope Toolkit. Parts of it are used by Zope 2, Plone, Grok, Repoze.bfg, and by many other different applications and frameworks. indeed, this seems to me a very nice message. short, pretty much accurate w/o delving too much into the mind-numbing details. I'm also in love with this simple message. I would make it even more simple when communicating outside the zope developers community: Don't use Zope 3 in any general description. Most references from outsiders to Zope concepts I read the last month referred to Zope, not Zope 3. When we start to promote the Zope Toolkit to the rest of the world, we don't need to make people think about what Zope 3 is/was, even if it's less accurate. Zope has become focused on supporting frameworks and applications, rather than trying to be one itself. These libraries are named the Zope Toolkit. Parts of it are used by the Zope 2 Application Server, Plone, Grok, Repoze.bfg, and by many other different applications and frameworks. [...] ..Carsten ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 14:47, Carsten Senger sen...@rehfisch.de wrote: Pushing this message inside the zope community is perfect. But I don't see a need to communicate to outsiders that Zope 3 has become the Zope Toolkit. This will be confusing to outsiders. They don't have to think about what Zope 3 is/was. As the discussions showed even participants of the zope developers mailing list have slightly different views on Zope3. Now *I* am confused. I thought the idea was ti push it to outsiders. Pushing it inside the Zope community would contradict what actually is happening, and the community have the ability to understand what is happening, so coming with a contra-factual story within the community would be very confusing, I think. We can safely market the Zope Toolkit with it's features and qualities. At the same time we should push everything related to Zope 2|3 (maybe a bit clearer as the Zope 2|3 Application Server) into the background. Insiders will find it. For outsiders we can add a warning that our focus is the Zope Toolkit, there are web frameworks out there that new developers can use, but the Zope 2/3 Application Servers are no longer recommended. This makes sense. -- Lennart Regebro: Python, Zope, Plone, Grok http://regebro.wordpress.com/ +33 661 58 14 64 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
Lennart Regebro schrieb: On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 14:47, Carsten Senger sen...@rehfisch.de wrote: Pushing this message inside the zope community is perfect. But I don't see a need to communicate to outsiders that Zope 3 has become the Zope Toolkit. This will be confusing to outsiders. They don't have to think about what Zope 3 is/was. As the discussions showed even participants of the zope developers mailing list have slightly different views on Zope3. Now *I* am confused. I thought the idea was ti push it to outsiders. Pushing it inside the Zope community would contradict what actually is happening, and the community have the ability to understand what is happening, so coming with a contra-factual story within the community would be very confusing, I think. It's my opinion that we should not communicate to outsiders that Zope 3 has become the Zope Toolkit. I'm for simplifying it even more and tell that the focus of the Zope Community it the Zope Toolkit. It would be complicated cause we still have Zope 3 the application server. We have to describe there why it still exists (to outsiders) and how to get it now for the people that need it in their existing applications. Or we have to tell the insiders that we now have ZopeAppServerKGSwhatever, something that they have known as Zope 3. But it's not Zope 3 anymore cause that's now the Zope Toolkit. Communicating that we have to offer the Zope Toolkit with it's features is easier and less confusing to outsiders than mentioning Zope 3. But I didn't want to start a new naming discussion :-(. [...] ..Carsten ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12 webdav source browser doesn't appear to work
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Chris Withers wrote:
Hi All,
I tried to connect up to Zope 2.12 by the webdav source port today and
got the following in the event log::
2009-04-17 09:13:48 ERROR Zope.SiteErrorLog 1239956028.70.143658354715
http://192.168.1.12:1980/@@home
Traceback (innermost last):
Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 119, in publish
Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 77, in mapply
Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 42, in call_object
Module zope.app.pagetemplate.simpleviewclass, line 44, in __call__
Module zope.app.pagetemplate.viewpagetemplatefile, line 83, in __call__
Module Products.Five.browser.pagetemplatefile, line 53, in __call__
Module zope.pagetemplate.pagetemplate, line 115, in pt_render
- Warning: Macro expansion failed
- Warning: class 'zope.location.interfaces.LocationError':
(webdav.NullResource.NullResource object at 0x9f41a2c, 'macros')
Module zope.tal.talinterpreter, line 271, in __call__
Module zope.tal.talinterpreter, line 343, in interpret
Module zope.tal.talinterpreter, line 867, in do_useMacro
Module zope.tales.tales, line 696, in evaluate
- URL: {myproject}/browser/html/home.html
- Line 3, Column 0
- Expression: PathExpr
standard:u'root/standard_template.pt/macros/main'
- Names:
{'args': (),
'container': Application at ,
'context': Application at ,
'default': object object at 0xb7d5e548,
'here': Application at ,
'loop': {},
'nothing': None,
'options': {},
'repeat': Products.PageTemplates.Expressions.SafeMapping object
at 0xa02720c,
'request': HTTPRequest, URL=http://192.168.1.12:1980/@@home,
'root': Application at ,
'template':
Products.Five.browser.pagetemplatefile.ViewPageTemplateFile object at
0x9e8c2ec,
'traverse_subpath': [],
'user': SpecialUser 'Anonymous User',
'view': Products.Five.metaclass.SimpleViewClass from
{myproject}/browser/html/home.html object at 0x96540cc,
'views': zope.app.pagetemplate.viewpagetemplatefile.ViewMapper
object at 0x9ffdb4c}
Module zope.tales.expressions, line 217, in __call__
Module Products.PageTemplates.Expressions, line 123, in _eval
Module zope.tales.expressions, line 124, in _eval
Module Products.PageTemplates.Expressions, line 75, in
boboAwareZopeTraverse
Module zope.traversing.adapters, line 139, in traversePathElement
- __traceback_info__: (webdav.NullResource.NullResource object at
0x9f417ac, 'macros')
Module zope.traversing.adapters, line 53, in traverse
- __traceback_info__: (webdav.NullResource.NullResource object at
0x9f417ac, 'macros', ['main'])
LocationError: (webdav.NullResource.NullResource object at 0x9f417ac,
'macros')
I don't know what this means, does anyone here?
It means that you have *part* of the WebDAV machinery wired up (hence
the NullResource objects) but not all of it (hence, you are trying to
render a ZPT which uses /path/to/template/macros/main). Likely there is
a missing adapter registration or six in there.
Tres.
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12 webdav source browser doesn't appear to work
Tres Seaver wrote: It means that you have *part* of the WebDAV machinery wired up (hence the NullResource objects) but not all of it (hence, you are trying to render a ZPT which uses /path/to/template/macros/main). Likely there is a missing adapter registration or six in there. I don't want no stinkin adapters here ;-) I just want the good ol' fashioned Zope 2 webdav source port... Why are *any* adapters I've wired up being used here? (I haven't wired up anything for webdav, only normal views and the like I want used for http) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] [Zope 2.12.0a2]Acquisition+ExtensionClass failures with Python 2.6.2/Linux
Hi, I am working on the 2.12.0a2 release. I get test failures on my Linux box (OpenSuse 10.3/64 bit, fresh Python 2.6.2 installation): -- File /home/ajung/.buildout/eggs/Acquisition-2.12.1-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg/Acquisition/tests.py, line 1732, in Acquisition.tests.test_proxying Failed example: list(i.c) Exception raised: Traceback (most recent call last): File /home/ajung/.buildout/eggs/zope.testing-3.7.1-py2.6.egg/zope/testing/doctest.py, line 1356, in __run compileflags, 1) in test.globs File doctest Acquisition.tests.test_proxying[11], line 1, in module list(i.c) MemoryError -- File /home/ajung/.buildout/eggs/Acquisition-2.12.1-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg/Acquisition/tests.py, line 1781, in Acquisition.tests.test_proxying Failed example: list(i.c) Exception raised: Traceback (most recent call last): File /home/ajung/.buildout/eggs/zope.testing-3.7.1-py2.6.egg/zope/testing/doctest.py, line 1356, in __run compileflags, 1) in test.globs File doctest Acquisition.tests.test_proxying[23], line 1, in module list(i.c) MemoryError -- File /home/ajung/.buildout/eggs/ExtensionClass-2.11.1-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg/ExtensionClass/tests.py, line 419, in ExtensionClass.tests.test_pickling_w_slots_w_empty_dict Failed example: pickle.loads(pickle.dumps(x, 0)) == x Expected: 1 Got: False -- File /home/ajung/.buildout/eggs/ExtensionClass-2.11.1-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg/ExtensionClass/tests.py, line 421, in ExtensionClass.tests.test_pickling_w_slots_w_empty_dict Failed example: pickle.loads(pickle.dumps(x, 1)) == x Expected: 1 Got: False -- File /home/ajung/.buildout/eggs/ExtensionClass-2.11.1-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg/ExtensionClass/tests.py, line 423, in ExtensionClass.tests.test_pickling_w_slots_w_empty_dict Failed example: pickle.loads(pickle.dumps(x, 2)) == x Expected: 1 Got: False However I have no failures on MacOSX. WTF? Andreas ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope 2.12.0a2]Acquisition+ExtensionClass failures with Python 2.6.2/Linux
In addition, some of the Acquistion test fail when trying to test the package alone: aj...@blackmoon:/develop/repository/svn.zope.org/Acquisition/tags/2.11.1 bin/test -vv Running tests at level 1 Running zope.testing.testrunner.layer.UnitTests tests: Set up zope.testing.testrunner.layer.UnitTests in 0.000 seconds. Running: tests (Acquisition) (0.008 s) old_tests (Acquisition.tests) (0.003 s) Failure in test old_tests (Acquisition.tests) Failed doctest test for Acquisition.tests.old_tests File /home/develop/repository/ svn.zope.org/Acquisition/tags/2.11.1/src/Acquisition/tests.py, line 1204, in old_tests -- File /home/develop/repository/ svn.zope.org/Acquisition/tags/2.11.1/src/Acquisition/tests.py, line 1238, in Acquisition.tests.old_tests Failed example: b.c.d == c Expected: 1 Got: False -- File /home/develop/repository/ svn.zope.org/Acquisition/tags/2.11.1/src/Acquisition/tests.py, line 1242, in Acquisition.tests.old_tests Failed example: b.c == c Expected: 1 Got: False Can anyone reproduce this? Andreas On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 16:43, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote: Hi, I am working on the 2.12.0a2 release. I get test failures on my Linux box (OpenSuse 10.3/64 bit, fresh Python 2.6.2 installation): -- File /home/ajung/.buildout/eggs/Acquisition-2.12.1-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg/Acquisition/tests.py, line 1732, in Acquisition.tests.test_proxying Failed example: list(i.c) Exception raised: Traceback (most recent call last): File /home/ajung/.buildout/eggs/zope.testing-3.7.1-py2.6.egg/zope/testing/doctest.py, line 1356, in __run compileflags, 1) in test.globs File doctest Acquisition.tests.test_proxying[11], line 1, in module list(i.c) MemoryError -- File /home/ajung/.buildout/eggs/Acquisition-2.12.1-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg/Acquisition/tests.py, line 1781, in Acquisition.tests.test_proxying Failed example: list(i.c) Exception raised: Traceback (most recent call last): File /home/ajung/.buildout/eggs/zope.testing-3.7.1-py2.6.egg/zope/testing/doctest.py, line 1356, in __run compileflags, 1) in test.globs File doctest Acquisition.tests.test_proxying[23], line 1, in module list(i.c) MemoryError -- File /home/ajung/.buildout/eggs/ExtensionClass-2.11.1-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg/ExtensionClass/tests.py, line 419, in ExtensionClass.tests.test_pickling_w_slots_w_empty_dict Failed example: pickle.loads(pickle.dumps(x, 0)) == x Expected: 1 Got: False -- File /home/ajung/.buildout/eggs/ExtensionClass-2.11.1-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg/ExtensionClass/tests.py, line 421, in ExtensionClass.tests.test_pickling_w_slots_w_empty_dict Failed example: pickle.loads(pickle.dumps(x, 1)) == x Expected: 1 Got: False -- File /home/ajung/.buildout/eggs/ExtensionClass-2.11.1-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg/ExtensionClass/tests.py, line 423, in ExtensionClass.tests.test_pickling_w_slots_w_empty_dict Failed example: pickle.loads(pickle.dumps(x, 2)) == x Expected: 1 Got: False However I have no failures on MacOSX. WTF? Andreas ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
Hey, Carsten Senger wrote: [snip] Btw: Somebody should change Zope Framework to Zope Toolkit on zope.org and remove the version number v3.5 from the Zope Toolkit documentation. Could you fix the Zope Toolkit documentation and change it to 1.0? It's in SVN. It'd be very nice if you could also hunt down the people who do zope.org and rename it there. I didn't even know it was linked from there yet. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope 2.12.0a2]Acquisition+ExtensionClass failures with Python 2.6.2/Linux
Andreas Jung wrote: I am working on the 2.12.0a2 release. I get test failures on my Linux box (OpenSuse 10.3/64 bit, fresh Python 2.6.2 installation): 64bit problem maybe? Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
Hey, Lennart Regebro wrote: A more truthful story is that Zope Toolkit is a base for writing frameworks, and that one of those frameworks was Zope 3, now renamed to something cool. But the support in this thread for the previous story makes me wonder if we shouldn't push that, slightly more incorrect story, anyway. People seem to understand it. It's in this situation possible that it's better with a false story that people understand than a correct story that just adds to the confusion. Yeah, I've been thinking the same. But I think it's even unclear what the correct story is given the lack of interest people have in the Zope 3 project beyond what the toolkit offers. I think Carsten says it well though, contrasting external and internal communication, and not just making the term Zope 3 disappear. We should just retain the Zope 3 name to the outside world for the time being, but de-emphasize it in our communication. We push Zope Toolkit a lot more. If people want to get started using the toolkit, we point them to Grok, BFG and Plone. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 16:51, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote: We should just retain the Zope 3 name to the outside world for the time being, but de-emphasize it in our communication. We push Zope Toolkit a lot more. If people want to get started using the toolkit, we point them to Grok, BFG and Plone. I think this is a good plan. -- Lennart Regebro: Python, Zope, Plone, Grok http://regebro.wordpress.com/ +33 661 58 14 64 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
On Apr 17, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Simon Michael wrote: -1, Gary's is clearer. I think what is clear or not is very subjective. I think that at least is clear. I think it is clear that you are disregarding many people's opinions. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
Jim Fulton wrote: On Apr 17, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Simon Michael wrote: -1, Gary's is clearer. I think what is clear or not is very subjective. I think that at least is clear. I think it is clear that you are disregarding many people's opinions. censored by the PSU Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 17:07, Simon Michael si...@joyful.com wrote: -1, Gary's is clearer. But still not accurate. I've yet hear anybody actually support the point of view that we should (internally or externally) push a story that is not really true. If this indeed is the opinion of the majority, I for one would like to hear people say so explicitly, as it is right now hard to know if you support Gary's story because it's clear, even though it's an oversimplification, or if you support it because you believe it to be accurate. If we are going to oversimplify for claritys sake, I think it's important that we are aware and honest about it. -- Lennart Regebro: Python, Zope, Plone, Grok http://regebro.wordpress.com/ +33 661 58 14 64 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 18:00, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote: I think it is clear that you are disregarding many people's opinions. What opinions have been disregarded, more exactly? -- Lennart Regebro: Python, Zope, Plone, Grok http://regebro.wordpress.com/ +33 661 58 14 64 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
On Apr 17, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 18:00, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote: I think it is clear that you are disregarding many people's opinions. What opinions have been disregarded, more exactly? Gary's, Mine, Tres', Simon's, Benji's and others I could find if I trolled through the thread, which I won't. Continuing to talk about Zope 3 is harmful. Saying that Zope 3 is a dead end is also harmful. Saying that Zope 3 is being renamed to Zope Toolkit with some things left out and with some possible Zope 3 project that may or may not support the bits left out is at best too confusing. Simply saying that we're renaming Zope 3 to the Zope Toolkit is clean and simple. The fact that the contents of the toolkit will change over time as parts are gradually deprecated or receive less care is a detail that doesn't have to be part of the main message. At worst, the message Gary suggests is imprecise. It isn't inaccurate. Of course, Gary made these points more eloquently than I just did. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
Jim Fulton wrote: On Apr 17, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Simon Michael wrote: -1, Gary's is clearer. I think what is clear or not is very subjective. I think that at least is clear. I think it is clear that you are disregarding many people's opinions. Okay, I'll come back with a bit more rational response than my first one. Could you also tell me how I'm disregarding people's opinions in this thread? Examples? Or do you think stating my own opinions and concerns, while I'm clearly (explicitly mentioned) thinking this topic through, is tantamount to disregarding other people's opinions? Do you really think I'm in this discussion with people just to disregard their opinions? I'm trying to consider the impact of changing a well-known well-used name that carries certain expectations (different ones for different people!) to something else that was set up explicitly to have different expectations, namely the Zope Toolkit. The Zope Toolkit concept was explicitly designed to *separate* those expectations from the (vague but broad) expectations surrounding Zope 3. I spent quite a bit of time trying to work that out. Now we're a few weeks later. It is proposed instead we rename what we called Zope 3 to Zope Toolkit and tell everybody that the expectations changed. I've expressed clearly that's an interesting approach and also clearly that I have some concerns. Excuse me while I try to wrestle with the implications and alternatives surrounding this. I do this because it all isn't very clear to *me*. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martijn Faassen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: On Apr 17, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Simon Michael wrote: -1, Gary's is clearer. I think what is clear or not is very subjective. I think that at least is clear. I think it is clear that you are disregarding many people's opinions. Okay, I'll come back with a bit more rational response than my first one. Could you also tell me how I'm disregarding people's opinions in this thread? Examples? Or do you think stating my own opinions and concerns, while I'm clearly (explicitly mentioned) thinking this topic through, is tantamount to disregarding other people's opinions? Do you really think I'm in this discussion with people just to disregard their opinions? I'm trying to consider the impact of changing a well-known well-used name that carries certain expectations (different ones for different people!) to something else that was set up explicitly to have different expectations, namely the Zope Toolkit. The Zope Toolkit concept was explicitly designed to *separate* those expectations from the (vague but broad) expectations surrounding Zope 3. I spent quite a bit of time trying to work that out. Now we're a few weeks later. It is proposed instead we rename what we called Zope 3 to Zope Toolkit and tell everybody that the expectations changed. I've expressed clearly that's an interesting approach and also clearly that I have some concerns. I am -1 on pushing a Zope3 is now the Zope Toolkit message: I would rather that we *not bring up Zope3 in public again*, while still enabling those who have built apps atop the un-brand to maintain them. If somebody asks, Hey, what happened to Zope3?, we can explain briefly that the core of it is now ZTK, and that the other bits have a life of their own, but *without the un-brand*. To this end, I think we sholud remove all traces of the un-brand from prominent places on our websites, try to stay on message as a community, while re-focusing on the technical aspects of the transition (rather than the branding / perception ones). Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ6LKE+gerLs4ltQ4RAkfIAKC/s1iE3sE3+fag5Tvrat6X/uM9XACfTctf EvnsuRnMvhmvoeh7JJ8L/fI= =iKI4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
Jim Fulton wrote: On Apr 17, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 18:00, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote: I think it is clear that you are disregarding many people's opinions. What opinions have been disregarded, more exactly? Gary's, Mine, Tres', Simon's, Benji's and others I could find if I trolled through the thread, which I won't. I'll troll through the thread myself and just quote myself. Given the responses to this thread I'm starting to lean towards pushing the message to the outside that Zope 3 has become Zope Toolkit, has a different focus, basically just as Gary stated, and really push this message internally (on zope-dev) as well. I'll think it over over the weekend (and discuss it with Christian Theune, as we're near to each other in rl then). That's a good point. A renaming operation does have the virtue of being simple to understand for outsiders. If we assume that the Zope Toolkit has other focuses internally that it should be all right to give up the name Zope 3 (except in the maintenance sense). So I'm ready to just go with Gary's plan and present this as a renaming recognizing that Zope 3 has become something very different, as there really indeed doesn't seem to be anything else left. I think Carsten says it well though, contrasting external and internal communication, and not just making the term Zope 3 disappear. [I'll note that Carsten has supported both the rename but also said in another message we shouldn't rename it to the outside world in this thread, similar to my latest proposal] I was hoping that people like Fabio who expressed interest in Zope 3 as a community project (whatever its name) could get some time to organize themselves first. So I proposed delaying this decision first (especially as it'll take us a while to get ready anyway). I'm also just plain concerned with renaming a name referenced in many places (books and so on). This concern was expressed in earlier threads by various people when I proposed renaming Zope 3 to something else. Finally I'm worried that saying Zope 3 was renamed to Zope Toolkit dilutes the concept separation, which was exactly what I was trying so hard to do. I'm still not very happy with the implications of that. Why attack me when I'm trying to give it a bit more thought? It's really discouraging to do that. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 18:25, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote: Gary's, Mine, Tres', Simon's, Benji's and others I could find if I trolled through the thread, which I won't. I can't see how these have been disregarded. Gary proposed that we say that Zope 3 has been renamed to the Zope Toolkit. Martijn proposed something else. I proposed a third thing. That me and Martijn doesn't automatically agree with an opinion doesn't mean we disregard it. Continuing to talk about Zope 3 is harmful. Saying that Zope 3 is a dead end is also harmful. Saying that Zope 3 is being renamed to Zope Toolkit with some things left out and with some possible Zope 3 project that may or may not support the bits left out is at best too confusing. Simply saying that we're renaming Zope 3 to the Zope Toolkit is clean and simple. But it's inaccurate, and it forgets the fact that Zope 3 will be maintained for at least the nearest future. And it *is* inaccurate. Not imprecise, inaccurate. The Toolkit is not a renaming of Zope 3. It's a subset of it. Yes, the statement Zope 3 is now called Zope Toolkit is clear. But what happens when people discover that in fact, that the Zope Toolkit is NOT Zope 3, and in fact Zope 3 is still being maintained by Stephan Richter? Is it still clear then? In my opinion it isn't. And I've pointed this out several times, and nobody comes back with a response. Nobody is saying Yes, we should say that Zope 3 is renamed to Zope Toolkit even though it's incorrect because or It's going to be less confusing because So, if I'm gonna act hurt, I'll claim that anybodys opinion here is being disregarded, it's mine. ;-) And I'll state it again, for clarities sake: I think that Zope 3 should be renamed. I proposed Blue Bream (and not to the Zope Toolkit, because Zope 3 is NOT the Zope Toolkit. It's more than that). It removes the confusion between Zope 2 and Zope 3. It removes the confusion between Zope 3 and the Zope Toolkit. This way we do not have to continue to talk about Zope 3. This way we don't have to say that Zope 3 is dead. This way we don't have to say that Zope 3 is renamed Zope Toolkit with bits left out. And it is correct, accurate and clear. I have still to see any arguments against this. If there are any, please put them forward. -- Lennart Regebro: Python, Zope, Plone, Grok http://regebro.wordpress.com/ +33 661 58 14 64 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12 webdav source browser doesn't appear to work
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Withers wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: It means that you have *part* of the WebDAV machinery wired up (hence the NullResource objects) but not all of it (hence, you are trying to render a ZPT which uses /path/to/template/macros/main). Likely there is a missing adapter registration or six in there. I don't want no stinkin adapters here ;-) I just want the good ol' fashioned Zope 2 webdav source port... Why are *any* adapters I've wired up being used here? (I haven't wired up anything for webdav, only normal views and the like I want used for http) I'm sorry if I seemed to imply a bug in your application: I meant to point out that the *publisher* was finding the wrong published object (one apprpirate to an IBrowserRequest), while some bits (path traversal within the template) were finding the WebDAV-y bits. Where the bug lies (in Zope or in your app) is not apparent from the information you originally posted. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ6LMy+gerLs4ltQ4RAhauAKDNzWOSjgyEe/Q6doGaTLF3i1iO3ACfW+VI j1B7owIH3JX+NzPTKCYjiUk= =Xn2G -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] People in the Zope 3 and ZMI teams
Hey Fabio, Thanks again for coming back on this, this is quite encouraging. Fabio Tranchitella wrote: I've just checked out that the domain zope3.org is not owned by the Zope Corporation. Do you have any idea about it? Would it be possible to claim it back? I don't know, unfortunately. I'm thinking about taking over maintenance of zope3 in the wider term (not only maintaining the code, but also the community around it). I might've missed your statement on this before, but do you think you could work with a renamed Zope 3? The same technology but with a different name? We could easily create a 'foo.zope.org' for it just like we have 'grok.zope.org', or we could of course start with a new domain name. I think a fresh take on Zope 3 would help focus the efforts as well, and perhaps dumping the conceptual baggage would help attract new users and developers. But this discussions is fraught with danger. :) To be honest, zope3 (as it is today) is a nice platform for me and for my company to build web applications (and, in general, the ZCA is a nice platform for building not-only-web applications), and it would be a shame to loose it. The ZCA is well in hand and I hope it's going to do better than ever, managed as part of the Zope Toolkit project. I hope we'll eventually gain improved documentation describing it too, right there on zope.org. To make explicit: I am not talking just about maintaining the ZMI, I'm talking about making zope3 a *real* user-friendly web framework, as (for example) grok is already right now. Very cool! So, what about the name? Open to a change? Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
Lennart Regebro wrote: So, if I'm gonna act hurt, I'll claim that anybodys opinion here is being disregarded, it's mine. ;-) And I'll state it again, for clarities sake: I think that Zope 3 should be renamed. I proposed Blue Bream (and ... I have still to see any arguments against this. If there are any, Um.. people will laugh at us ? Just my little attempt to inject humour. Sorry Lennart. Blue Bream cracks me up every time I see it. Sorry, sorry. :) This is also a test message to see why my last didn't show up. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.javascript license question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, On svn.zope.org we have a library called z3c.javascript. Never got released to pypi, but it did get released to download.zope.org/distribution It basically contains a pile of javascript libraries. These have very non-ZPL licenses. I wonder whether anyone at zope corporation ever got permission for checking these in? What shall we do with this stuff? I'm tempted to remove it wholesale, except z3c.widget uses bits in it, and that in turn is used by megrok.form, which is how all this came to light. z3c.widget is released on pypi (though newer releases exist in download.zope.org/distribution again). Wwe will probably be able to rewrite megrok.form to lose the z3c.widget dependency easily enough, so I'm going to propose we do this on grok-dev. I see no ZC-employee checkins at all in the svn log, which starts in May 2006. This thread from October 2006 points out licensing issues: http://news.gmane.org/find-root.php?group=gmane.comp.web.zope.zope3article=19324 +1 to removal, perhaps after some kind of svn export process.: those who maintain the package should host it elsewhere. The tarballs should be removed from download.zope.org, as well. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ6LZ0+gerLs4ltQ4RAiJoAKCbc/I+YoMw8nNA4NLI9+KmpeZGpQCeIaFr ibTkkKoB4Molk2Yc4dwhcOA= =rbPd -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 19:03, Simon Michael si...@joyful.com wrote: Um.. people will laugh at us ? No, *with* us. Big difference. :) -- Lennart Regebro: Python, Zope, Plone, Grok http://regebro.wordpress.com/ +33 661 58 14 64 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
Martijn Faassen wrote: Hey Martin, Martin Aspeli wrote: [snip] Sigh... this discussion is just really difficult. I don't really understand what the problem is here, or why it's indicative of what's wrong with this community, but then I'm pretty lost in concepts and names at this stage. I think you're reading way too much into what I wrote though. I just meant thing using the Zope Toolkit but adding more stuff, e.g. an app server project or a shared management UI project. The difference is I think was that I'm not talking about just code; a KGS is just a list of versions. I'm talking about code and documentation and a presentation of this code as a whole that people can learn about and play with. The notion that it's just enough for Zope 3 to be pieces of code is part of what led me to Grok. If the notion of Zope 3 can be limited to just a greater set of packages where compatibility is tested, it's not really much of a project to speak of. That's fine, we have other projects like Grok that do care, but I'll stop worrying about it. sure, i understand what you're saying here. it'd be great if some set of folks who are using the full Z3 app server platform decided to step up, create a website, refine the branding, and just generally breathe life into the project. but, until someone does, we have a weird muddled situation where nobody except the people who are regulars on this mailing list has any idea what is going on with this Zope thing. me, personally, i don't use the Z3 app server platform, so i'm not going to be one of the people who steps up to take charge of it's public face. and, frankly, i don't really care one way or the other whether or not anybody else does it. but you DO seem to care, martijn; you'd like to see that platform get the love, attention, and branding that it deserves. that's great. but i suggest you'd have more success in that effort if you said things like: Hey, all you people out there using the Zope 3 app server thingy... you realize you have a branding problem, right? Now is a perfect time to revisit your platform. Maybe some folks should get together, come up with a catchy name (Rob Miller already suggested 'Zapp'... ;-) , and build a website with some documentation... whaddaya say? instead of: The whole idea of whatever-Zope 3-is-designated-as just being a 'larger KGS' strikes me as strange. Frankly it strikes me as indicative of what's wrong with this community. of course, there are no guarantees that you're going to get any takers no matter HOW you approach this. but that's life, IMO... if nobody steps up to do what needs to be done, well, there you are. -r ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
Hey Rob, Rob Miller wrote: [snip] sure, i understand what you're saying here. it'd be great if some set of folks who are using the full Z3 app server platform decided to step up, create a website, refine the branding, and just generally breathe life into the project. but, until someone does, we have a weird muddled situation where nobody except the people who are regulars on this mailing list has any idea what is going on with this Zope thing. me, personally, i don't use the Z3 app server platform, so i'm not going to be one of the people who steps up to take charge of it's public face. and, frankly, i don't really care one way or the other whether or not anybody else does it. but you DO seem to care, martijn; you'd like to see that platform get the love, attention, and branding that it deserves. that's great. but i suggest you'd have more success in that effort if you said things like: Hey, all you people out there using the Zope 3 app server thingy... you realize you have a branding problem, right? Now is a perfect time to revisit your platform. Maybe some folks should get together, come up with a catchy name (Rob Miller already suggested 'Zapp'... ;-) , and build a website with some documentation... whaddaya say? instead of: The whole idea of whatever-Zope 3-is-designated-as just being a 'larger KGS' strikes me as strange. Frankly it strikes me as indicative of what's wrong with this community. You're right of course, I apologize for going that way. I have little excuse for that. Of course you will see previous thread where I tried to talk about Zope 3 and who wanted to maintain it where I tried the erlier bit - I mean, I've been trying to get that very discussion started. It just seems many of the regular users of Zope 3 are pretty uninterested in that topic (see my Zope 3 team post for an overview), though there were some people who are, and I should focus on them. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.12 webdav source browser doesn't appear to work
Tres Seaver wrote: Why are *any* adapters I've wired up being used here? (I haven't wired up anything for webdav, only normal views and the like I want used for http) I'm sorry if I seemed to imply a bug in your application: I meant to point out that the *publisher* was finding the wrong published object (one apprpirate to an IBrowserRequest), while some bits (path traversal within the template) were finding the WebDAV-y bits. Where the bug lies (in Zope or in your app) is not apparent from the information you originally posted. Given that I haven't done *anything* to configure anything for webdav (other than specify a source port in zope.conf), I think it's a reasonable expectation that what used to happen should keep on happening in the same way. As to why that isn't the case, I'm afraid I have no idea. Any ideas on debugging would mean I might be able to help get this bug fixed... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] How can I force the language for a particular template rendering?
Hi All,
What I want to do is best shown in pseudocode:
something.setLanguage('fr')
text = my_page_template()
something.restoreLanguage()
...the reason I want to do this is that the results of that template
will not be in the language negotiated for the current user, as the
result is then emailed to someone who may not be speaking the same
language as them.
I can't find a way to specify a target_language that overrides the
negotiated language into the ZPT rendering process. Is there such a way?
Suggestions welcomed!
Chris
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Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.
+1 with Tres' position. On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martijn Faassen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: On Apr 17, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Simon Michael wrote: -1, Gary's is clearer. I think what is clear or not is very subjective. I think that at least is clear. I think it is clear that you are disregarding many people's opinions. Okay, I'll come back with a bit more rational response than my first one. Could you also tell me how I'm disregarding people's opinions in this thread? Examples? Or do you think stating my own opinions and concerns, while I'm clearly (explicitly mentioned) thinking this topic through, is tantamount to disregarding other people's opinions? Do you really think I'm in this discussion with people just to disregard their opinions? I'm trying to consider the impact of changing a well-known well-used name that carries certain expectations (different ones for different people!) to something else that was set up explicitly to have different expectations, namely the Zope Toolkit. The Zope Toolkit concept was explicitly designed to *separate* those expectations from the (vague but broad) expectations surrounding Zope 3. I spent quite a bit of time trying to work that out. Now we're a few weeks later. It is proposed instead we rename what we called Zope 3 to Zope Toolkit and tell everybody that the expectations changed. I've expressed clearly that's an interesting approach and also clearly that I have some concerns. I am -1 on pushing a Zope3 is now the Zope Toolkit message: I would rather that we *not bring up Zope3 in public again*, while still enabling those who have built apps atop the un-brand to maintain them. If somebody asks, Hey, what happened to Zope3?, we can explain briefly that the core of it is now ZTK, and that the other bits have a life of their own, but *without the un-brand*. To this end, I think we sholud remove all traces of the un-brand from prominent places on our websites, try to stay on message as a community, while re-focusing on the technical aspects of the transition (rather than the branding / perception ones). Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ6LKE+gerLs4ltQ4RAkfIAKC/s1iE3sE3+fag5Tvrat6X/uM9XACfTctf EvnsuRnMvhmvoeh7JJ8L/fI= =iKI4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.javascript license question
Hi Tres Betreff: Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.javascript license question -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, On svn.zope.org we have a library called z3c.javascript. Never got released to pypi, but it did get released to download.zope.org/distribution It basically contains a pile of javascript libraries. These have very non-ZPL licenses. I wonder whether anyone at zope corporation ever got permission for checking these in? What shall we do with this stuff? I'm tempted to remove it wholesale, except z3c.widget uses bits in it, and that in turn is used by megrok.form, which is how all this came to light. z3c.widget is released on pypi (though newer releases exist in download.zope.org/distribution again). Wwe will probably be able to rewrite megrok.form to lose the z3c.widget dependency easily enough, so I'm going to propose we do this on grok-dev. I see no ZC-employee checkins at all in the svn log, which starts in May 2006. This thread from October 2006 points out licensing issues: http://news.gmane.org/find-root.php?group=gmane.comp.web.zope. zope3article=19324 +1 to removal, perhaps after some kind of svn export process.: those who maintain the package should host it elsewhere. The tarballs should be removed from download.zope.org, as well. I remember that I added a correct license header some years ago for z3c.javascript. This code was at least some years ago used by the lovely systems guys. Not sure this days. Regards Roger Ineichen ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] How can I force the language for a particular template rendering?
How about just monkeypatching the active negotiator?
{{{
negotiator = getUtility(zope.i18n.interfaces.INegotiator)
orig = negotiator.getLanguage
negotiator.getLanguage = lambda foo, bar: 'fr'
text = my_page_template()
negotiator.getLanguage = orig
}}}
Haven't tested it, but in my (limited) understanding of the I18N system
something like that ought to work..
egj
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.ukwrote:
Hi All,
What I want to do is best shown in pseudocode:
something.setLanguage('fr')
text = my_page_template()
something.restoreLanguage()
...the reason I want to do this is that the results of that template
will not be in the language negotiated for the current user, as the
result is then emailed to someone who may not be speaking the same
language as them.
I can't find a way to specify a target_language that overrides the
negotiated language into the ZPT rendering process. Is there such a way?
Suggestions welcomed!
Chris
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Re: [Zope-dev] How can I force the language for a particular template rendering?
Ethan Jucovy wrote:
How about just monkeypatching the active negotiator?
{{{
negotiator = getUtility(zope.i18n.interfaces.INegotiator)
orig = negotiator.getLanguage
negotiator.getLanguage = lambda foo, bar: 'fr'
text = my_page_template()
negotiator.getLanguage = orig
}}}
Haven't tested it, but in my (limited) understanding of the I18N system
something like that ought to work..
As the default negotiator is based on the request, it might be possible
to forge a different request object for the template.
Or attach a marker interface to the request and register a different
IUserPreferredLanguages adapter for it. A more specialized version
should take precedence over the normal adapter based on the HTTP header.
Hanno
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Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.javascript license question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roger Ineichen wrote: Hi Tres Betreff: Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.javascript license question -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, On svn.zope.org we have a library called z3c.javascript. Never got released to pypi, but it did get released to download.zope.org/distribution It basically contains a pile of javascript libraries. These have very non-ZPL licenses. I wonder whether anyone at zope corporation ever got permission for checking these in? What shall we do with this stuff? I'm tempted to remove it wholesale, except z3c.widget uses bits in it, and that in turn is used by megrok.form, which is how all this came to light. z3c.widget is released on pypi (though newer releases exist in download.zope.org/distribution again). Wwe will probably be able to rewrite megrok.form to lose the z3c.widget dependency easily enough, so I'm going to propose we do this on grok-dev. I see no ZC-employee checkins at all in the svn log, which starts in May 2006. This thread from October 2006 points out licensing issues: http://news.gmane.org/find-root.php?group=gmane.comp.web.zope. zope3article=19324 +1 to removal, perhaps after some kind of svn export process.: those who maintain the package should host it elsewhere. The tarballs should be removed from download.zope.org, as well. I remember that I added a correct license header some years ago for z3c.javascript. There are several checkins which mention adding licenses for the varioius JS libraries: the problem is that non-ZC contributors are never supposed to check in any code which they don't own, and which they can therefore license under the ZPL. The purpose of this restriction was to ensure that folks using software from the repository could be confident that they didn't need to audit licenses, because effectively everything would be ZPL: the few exceptions were supposed to have been verified as being compatible with (and equally or more permissive than) the ZPL. I think I recall that Jim ripped out an integration package for the Ext Javascript framework precisely because the licensing for Ext was initially questionable, and later became outright unacceptable. Now that the copyrights are transferred to the Zope Foundation, essentially *nobody* can check in non-ZPL code, without a special exemption from the ZF board or its delegate (nobody is yet appointed to handle this). Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ6Nz6+gerLs4ltQ4RAppjAJ0ZIOWw00XtGFQiVxFumUOWr7vGvQCeKSGi Bx+MmnmOY0D11UUMxgAsnbY= =xdSO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] How can I force the language for a particular template rendering?
Actually -- for a more proper solution -- I believe
zope.i18n.interfaces.IUserPreferredLanguages is expected to adapt a request
(rather than being a contextless utility) so I bet you could register a
custom IUserPreferredLanguages whose getPreferredLanguages returns ['fr'] on
an IForceLanguage interface, and mark the current request with
IForceLanguage before rendering the template.
egj
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Ethan Jucovy ethan.juc...@gmail.comwrote:
How about just monkeypatching the active negotiator?
{{{
negotiator = getUtility(zope.i18n.interfaces.INegotiator)
orig = negotiator.getLanguage
negotiator.getLanguage = lambda foo, bar: 'fr'
text = my_page_template()
negotiator.getLanguage = orig
}}}
Haven't tested it, but in my (limited) understanding of the I18N system
something like that ought to work..
egj
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.ukwrote:
Hi All,
What I want to do is best shown in pseudocode:
something.setLanguage('fr')
text = my_page_template()
something.restoreLanguage()
...the reason I want to do this is that the results of that template
will not be in the language negotiated for the current user, as the
result is then emailed to someone who may not be speaking the same
language as them.
I can't find a way to specify a target_language that overrides the
negotiated language into the ZPT rendering process. Is there such a way?
Suggestions welcomed!
Chris
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Re: [Zope-dev] How can I force the language for a particular template rendering?
Actually -- for a more proper solution -- I believe
zope.i18n.interfaces.IUserPreferredLanguages is expected to adapt a request
(rather than being a contextless utility) so I bet you could register a
custom IUserPreferredLanguages whose getPreferredLanguages returns ['fr'] on
an IForceLanguage interface, and mark the current request with
IForceLanguage before rendering the template.
egj
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Ethan Jucovy ethan.juc...@gmail.comwrote:
How about just monkeypatching the active negotiator?
{{{
negotiator = getUtility(zope.i18n.interfaces.INegotiator)
orig = negotiator.getLanguage
negotiator.getLanguage = lambda foo, bar: 'fr'
text = my_page_template()
negotiator.getLanguage = orig
}}}
Haven't tested it, but in my (limited) understanding of the I18N system
something like that ought to work..
egj
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.ukwrote:
Hi All,
What I want to do is best shown in pseudocode:
something.setLanguage('fr')
text = my_page_template()
something.restoreLanguage()
...the reason I want to do this is that the results of that template
will not be in the language negotiated for the current user, as the
result is then emailed to someone who may not be speaking the same
language as them.
I can't find a way to specify a target_language that overrides the
negotiated language into the ZPT rendering process. Is there such a way?
Suggestions welcomed!
Chris
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Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.javascript license question
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: I think I recall that Jim ripped out an integration package for the Ext Javascript framework precisely because the licensing for Ext was initially questionable, and later became outright unacceptable. Yep, you recall correctly. -- Benji York Senior Software Engineer Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.javascript license question
Hi! 2009/4/18 Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com: [super snip] Now that the copyrights are transferred to the Zope Foundation, essentially *nobody* can check in non-ZPL code, without a special exemption from the ZF board or its delegate (nobody is yet appointed to handle this). I am looking towards becoming a SVN contributor so this question interests me a lot. You mentioned the copyrights were transfered to ZF which is what I recall reading a while ago. But when I last checked http://www.zope.org/DevHome/CVS/Contributor.pdf [1] it said that contributors transfer their copyright to ZC. Is it a question of the form being obsolete? Regards, Ben. [1] Note I just checked and it returns a 404 right now... ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.javascript license question
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: [snip Now that the copyrights are transferred to the Zope Foundation, essentially *nobody* can check in non-ZPL code, without a special exemption from the ZF board or its delegate (nobody is yet appointed to handle this). BTW, there is an exemption for this area: http://svn.zope.org/repos/main/non-zpl-doc-resources/ (It was created when I asked for adding some resource file for buildout.org) From the readme file: Non-ZPL documentation resources can be checked into this directory if you have received explicit permission from the Zope Foundation to do so. The workflow currently is simply to mail Martijn Faassen (faas...@startifact.com) with a description of what you want to do. In order to use these documentation resources in your own sphinx project, create a subdirectory here and an svn:external to that subdirectory from the sphinx project in question. -- Baiju M ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] force the language for a particular template: solution
Hanno Schlichting wrote: Or attach a marker interface to the request and register a different IUserPreferredLanguages adapter for it. This won't quite work as I still need to get the language I'm forcing from somewhere. However, I realised I already had a custom IUserPreferredLanguages adapter on this project (to get the language from the user object, not the browser) so I added a bit of code in there. The simplest version of this would be: from zope.publisher.browser import BrowserLanguages class Languages(BrowserLanguages): def getPreferredLanguages(self): force = getattr(self.request,'_force_language',None) if force: return [force] return super(Languages, self).getPreferredLanguages() Then this zcml: adapter for=zope.publisher.interfaces.http.IHTTPRequest provides=zope.i18n.interfaces.IUserPreferredLanguages factory=.languages.Languages / ...and then you can do the following in a view: def __call__(self): def1 = self.template(self) self.request._force_language = 'de' de = self.template(self) del self.request._force_language def2 = self.template(self) return def1+de+def2 Hope someone else finds this useful some day :-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] z3c.javascript license question
Behrang Dadsetan wrote: You mentioned the copyrights were transfered to ZF which is what I recall reading a while ago. But when I last checked http://www.zope.org/DevHome/CVS/Contributor.pdf I do wish the whole of DevHome would just die :-( (I believe this is supposed to be happening right now.. Jens? Andreas?) You really meant to be reading: http://docs.zope.org/developer/becoming-a-contributor.html ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] zpt nesting/inheritence in views
Hey All,
Thought I'd share this and see if anyone had any better ideas...
So, I have a set of views that subclass each other, nothing out of the
ordinary there. However, I also want the zpts used by the views to
subclass each other, such that a subclassing view can use its parent's
macro(s) and provide the same to be used further downstream.
This is the only solution I can think of:
from Products.Five.browser import BrowserView
from Products.Five.browser.pagetemplatefile import ViewPageTemplateFile
class Base1(BrowserView):
template = ViewPageTemplateFile('html/template1.html')
class Base2(Base1):
template = ViewPageTemplateFile('html/template2.html')
parent = Base1
class Base3(Base2):
template = ViewPageTemplateFile('html/template3.html')
parent = Base2
class Concrete(Base3):
def __call__(self):
return self.template(self)
template1.html:
metal:x define-macro=main
pTemplate1/p
metal:x define-slot=slot/
/metal:x
template2.html:
tal:x define=parent nocall:view
metal:x define-macro=main
tal:define=parent nocall:parent/parent
metal:x use-macro=parent/template/macros/main
metal:x fill-slot=slot
pTemplate2/p
metal:x define-slot=slot/
/metal:x
/metal:x
/metal:x
/tal:x
template3.html:
tal:x define=parent nocall:view
tal:x define=parent nocall:parent/parent
metal:x use-macro=parent/template/macros/main
metal:x fill-slot=slot
pTemplate3/p
/metal:x
/metal:x
/tal:x
/tal:x
Can anyone think of a nicer way that doesn't involve the 'parent'
attribute on the view classes and has (preferably much) nicer code in
the zpts?
cheers,
Chris
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[Zope] cache for python calls
I'm doing a hard task, trying to improve maximum of possible performance to Zope/Plone server, I already installed CacheFu that improved so much performance, I saw on a blog about cache for Python calls but wasn't explained about your configuration or installation. there are any related product for zope to do it or something like that? The main question is improve a better performance to this server. Any tip/solution is welcome. Thanks in advance. Regards, - - iarly selbir | ski0s :wq! ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] cache for python calls
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Before starting with any kind of performance optimization: figure out your bottlenecks first by profiling your code: ZopeProfiler is your friend. - -aj On 17.04.2009 15:10 Uhr, iarly selbir | ski0s wrote: I'm doing a hard task, trying to improve maximum of possible performance to Zope/Plone server, I already installed CacheFu that improved so much performance, I saw on a blog about cache for Python calls but wasn't explained about your configuration or installation. there are any related product for zope to do it or something like that? The main question is improve a better performance to this server. Any tip/solution is welcome. Thanks in advance. Regards, - - iarly selbir | ski0s :wq! ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) - -- ZOPYX Ltd. Co. KG - Charlottenstr. 37/1 - 72070 Tübingen - Germany Web: www.zopyx.com - Email: i...@zopyx.com - Phone +49 - 7071 - 793376 Registergericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, Handelsregister A 381535 Geschäftsführer/Gesellschafter: ZOPYX Limited, Birmingham, UK - E-Publishing, Python, Zope Plone development, Consulting -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAknogKoACgkQCJIWIbr9KYxycgCg2WmTMZwhYQjx5Gc9ulAys8Lb ILYAnAgyB5Oyq5ed77blQY3rpHBa/tUC =1wfI -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Andreas Jung n:Jung;Andreas org:ZOPYX Ltd. Co. KG adr;quoted-printable:;;Charlottenstr. 37/1;T=C3=BCbingen;;72070;Germany email;internet:i...@zopyx.com title:CEO tel;work:+49-7071-793376 tel;fax:+49-7071-7936840 tel;home:+49-7071-793257 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.zopyx.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] cache for python calls
This code isn't my, the server is hosting sites of many govern departments, so my task isn't develop the code but is keep all system working fine without down times. I'm not allowed to change the code, so I'm looking for all other reachable performance features. Regards, - - iarly selbir | ski0s :wq! On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Before starting with any kind of performance optimization: figure out your bottlenecks first by profiling your code: ZopeProfiler is your friend. - -aj On 17.04.2009 15:10 Uhr, iarly selbir | ski0s wrote: I'm doing a hard task, trying to improve maximum of possible performance to Zope/Plone server, I already installed CacheFu that improved so much performance, I saw on a blog about cache for Python calls but wasn't explained about your configuration or installation. there are any related product for zope to do it or something like that? The main question is improve a better performance to this server. Any tip/solution is welcome. Thanks in advance. Regards, - - iarly selbir | ski0s :wq! ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) - -- ZOPYX Ltd. Co. KG - Charlottenstr. 37/1 - 72070 Tübingen - Germany Web: www.zopyx.com - Email: i...@zopyx.com - Phone +49 - 7071 - 793376 Registergericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, Handelsregister A 381535 Geschäftsführer/Gesellschafter: ZOPYX Limited, Birmingham, UK - E-Publishing, Python, Zope Plone development, Consulting -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAknogKoACgkQCJIWIbr9KYxycgCg2WmTMZwhYQjx5Gc9ulAys8Lb ILYAnAgyB5Oyq5ed77blQY3rpHBa/tUC =1wfI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] cache for python calls
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Various knobs affect Zope performance...depending on each individual site and their programming and needs..serious further hints require a closer analysis. - -aj On 17.04.2009 15:27 Uhr, iarly selbir | ski0s wrote: This code isn't my, the server is hosting sites of many govern departments, so my task isn't develop the code but is keep all system working fine without down times. I'm not allowed to change the code, so I'm looking for all other reachable performance features. Regards, - - iarly selbir | ski0s :wq! On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com mailto:li...@zopyx.com wrote: Before starting with any kind of performance optimization: figure out your bottlenecks first by profiling your code: ZopeProfiler is your friend. -aj On 17.04.2009 15:10 Uhr, iarly selbir | ski0s wrote: I'm doing a hard task, trying to improve maximum of possible performance to Zope/Plone server, I already installed CacheFu that improved so much performance, I saw on a blog about cache for Python calls but wasn't explained about your configuration or installation. there are any related product for zope to do it or something like that? The main question is improve a better performance to this server. Any tip/solution is welcome. Thanks in advance. Regards, - - iarly selbir | ski0s :wq! ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org mailto:Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) - -- ZOPYX Ltd. Co. KG - Charlottenstr. 37/1 - 72070 Tübingen - Germany Web: www.zopyx.com - Email: i...@zopyx.com - Phone +49 - 7071 - 793376 Registergericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, Handelsregister A 381535 Geschäftsführer/Gesellschafter: ZOPYX Limited, Birmingham, UK - E-Publishing, Python, Zope Plone development, Consulting -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAknohNQACgkQCJIWIbr9KYwQVACgsrIG4QXzt+f7Eg8LBBnz7zMO KyYAn2kQA+9OowFe7C6r08fJ8zk3xuqb =qVaQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Andreas Jung n:Jung;Andreas org:ZOPYX Ltd. Co. KG adr;quoted-printable:;;Charlottenstr. 37/1;T=C3=BCbingen;;72070;Germany email;internet:i...@zopyx.com title:CEO tel;work:+49-7071-793376 tel;fax:+49-7071-7936840 tel;home:+49-7071-793257 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.zopyx.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] cache for python calls
No problem guy all test that I doing is on test environment xD, errors are acceptable, all problems solution are stored in my personal knowledge base heh Btw I'm reading about memoize installation I don't saw anything related to code changes Look: plone.memoize Installation === * Create a file called ``plone.memoize-configure.zcml`` in the ``/path/to/instance/etc/package-includes`` directory. The file should only contain this:: include package=plone.memoize / Regards, - - iarly selbir | ski0s :wq! On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Your questions and writings indicate that you have zero background in Zope. Consider getting a consultant. Performance optimizing requires some solid background. - -aj On 17.04.2009 15:49 Uhr, iarly selbir | ski0s wrote: I don't read yet, just read a topic that spoke about and saved your link, because it I asked if you did know Regards, - - iarly selbir | ski0s :wq! On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com mailto:li...@zopyx.com wrote: Do you know what you are talking about? plone.memoize requires changes to the software and you said you can't change the code?! -aj On 17.04.2009 15:38 Uhr, iarly selbir | ski0s wrote: Do you know the memoize? http://pypi.python.org/pypi/plone.memoize Regards, - - iarly selbir | ski0s :wq! On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com mailto:li...@zopyx.com mailto:li...@zopyx.com mailto:li...@zopyx.com wrote: Various knobs affect Zope performance...depending on each individual site and their programming and needs..serious further hints require a closer analysis. -aj On 17.04.2009 15:27 Uhr, iarly selbir | ski0s wrote: This code isn't my, the server is hosting sites of many govern departments, so my task isn't develop the code but is keep all system working fine without down times. I'm not allowed to change the code, so I'm looking for all other reachable performance features. Regards, - - iarly selbir | ski0s :wq! On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com mailto:li...@zopyx.com mailto:li...@zopyx.com mailto:li...@zopyx.com mailto:li...@zopyx.com mailto:li...@zopyx.com mailto:li...@zopyx.com mailto:li...@zopyx.com wrote: Before starting with any kind of performance optimization: figure out your bottlenecks first by profiling your code: ZopeProfiler is your friend. -aj On 17.04.2009 15:10 Uhr, iarly selbir | ski0s wrote: I'm doing a hard task, trying to improve maximum of possible performance to Zope/Plone server, I already installed CacheFu that improved so much performance, I saw on a blog about cache for Python calls but wasn't explained about your configuration or installation. there are any related product for zope to do it or something like that? The main question is improve a better performance to this server. Any tip/solution is welcome. Thanks in advance. Regards, - - iarly selbir | ski0s :wq! ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org mailto:Zope@zope.org mailto:Zope@zope.org mailto:Zope@zope.org mailto:Zope@zope.org mailto:Zope@zope.org mailto:Zope@zope.org mailto:Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org mailto:Zope@zope.org mailto:Zope@zope.org mailto:Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) - -- ZOPYX Ltd. Co. KG - Charlottenstr. 37/1 - 72070 Tübingen - Germany Web: www.zopyx.com - Email: i...@zopyx.com - Phone +49 - 7071 - 793376 Registergericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, Handelsregister A 381535 Geschäftsführer/Gesellschafter: ZOPYX Limited, Birmingham, UK - E-Publishing, Python, Zope Plone development, Consulting -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAknoiScACgkQCJIWIbr9KYwqngCgr/iEpjRRnBkRP9SaLR/IEjzZ 9hgAn1+21YBHYUNgYpW3RFPCUE3Oqr3j =JDL/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope **
Re: [Zope] cache for python calls
iarly selbir | ski0s schrieb: I'm doing a hard task, trying to improve maximum of possible performance to Zope/Plone server, I already installed CacheFu that improved so much performance, I saw on a blog about cache for Python calls but wasn't explained about your configuration or installation. there are any related product for zope to do it or something like that? There are some packages that cache the results of python functions calls. In Plone, plone.memoize is used often. There are others like bda.cache and gocept.cache. For these caches to work you have to decorate the functions you want to call. The main question is improve a better performance to this server. Any tip/solution is welcome. Like Andreas said find out where your bottlenecks are before you change things. You can take a look at the Zope configuration. To small zodb connection caches decrease performance due to unnecessary unpickeling of objects, to big settings or to many threads can make the operating system swap. ..Carsten ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
