Re: [Zope] Database connectors
Dario Lopez-Kästen said the following on 11/17/2006 01:07 PM: >> Do you know these reasons? > > yes, we sometimes get deadlocks in the database, net outages and general > misbehavior of DCO2. Sorry, i am casting too much blame on DCO2 here; in reality we have a combination of zope2.6, large file uploads and downloads, not necessarily good code on our end, AND quite a lot of DCO2 strangeness. /dario -- -- ------- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Database connectors
The only current Zope database adapter that I know of for oracle is only for Zope3, and that one uses cx_oracle (IIRC). Seeing that Zope2 is still alive, kicking and in perfectly good health I think that many people would like an improved DCO2 adapter. /dario -- -- --- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Checking in pages, scripts, and sql methods to SVN
Sinang, Danny said the following on 11/17/2006 01:33 AM: > Hello, > > Is there a Zope product out there that would allow me to check into SVN > my Zope objects (i.e. TAL pages, Python scripts, and ZSQLMethods) ? > > If not, can anyone here show me some skeleton code to : > > 1. Enumerate these objects > 2. Reference them as files > if you are not using a too recent zope, you could use APE to mount a filesystem based storage, and copy all your code there. APE will store your code on the filesystem. Then using either CMF, Plone or products such as FileSystemSite you can create Filesystem Directory views that "opens a readonly hole from the zodb to the fielsystem". Note that this is a somewhat messy one way operation; after succeeding you should keep working on the filesystem, enjoy better editors and source code control tools :-) Hope this helps. /dario -- -- ------- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] building zope and plone behind apache2
Allen Huang said the following on 11/17/2006 06:34 AM: > I'm using a linux to run my plone and I wish to build it behind apache2. > The documentation on the Plone site is for plone that are build behind > apache2 on a Debian system. But I'm using a platform call Scientific > Linux and I couldn't find a lot of folders and files mentioned in that > documentation. > > What should I do now? Is running build building zope and plone behind > apache2 same for all the linux system? yes, the only differences are usually in where the config files are stored and how the services start. The apache specific stuff should be the same, or at least very similar. /dario -- -- ------- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Database connectors
rieh25 said the following on 11/16/2006 09:12 PM:
> I wanted to do it because for some reason, my oracle connector (DCOracle)
> keeps disconnecting, and so I thought maybe it would be possible to define a
> python method to periodically check on it and reconnect it if necessary.
>
i one ancient app that i am trying to modernise, I have a python script
that gets called by wget with cron every N minutes. That script calls a
zsql that does a select from dual, and the script catches any errors.
The set up is a s follows:
* My site uses several DCO2 connections objects, one for each of a bunch
of schemas in the database. We serve the site in a cluster of 6 nodes
(using zeo - nothing fancy: 4 nodes from one machine, 2 nodes from
another machine).
* for various reasons, the connecions get dropped sometimes, and we need
to catch that and restart the affected node. Hence the scripts.
* All my DCO2 connection objects are at the root of the site, so they
are easy to acquire.
* in the root of the site, I have a folder "heartbeat". That folder
contains one ZSQL method for each of the DCO2 connection objects, and
one Python script that is used to check one or all of the connections'
status.
The sql in the ZSQL methods is supersimple:
select 'name_of_dco2_connection', sysdate from dual
and the Python script looks like this:
-
## Script (Python) "index"
##bind container=container
##bind context=context
##bind namespace=
##bind script=script
##bind subpath=traverse_subpath
##parameters=name=None
##title=
##
""" This script checks the status of connection 'name'. If 'name' is
None, check all connections
"""
if name is None:
# Check all connections. Get list of zsql methods in
# the same folder as this script.
cobjs = [obj for obj in context.ZopeFind(container,
obj_metatypes=('Z SQL Method',))]
for o in cobjs:
# call each script: o[0] is the name,
# date is the result from the script
try:
sys, date = (o[0], o[1]()[0].sysdate)
print sys, str(date)
except ConflictError:
# apparently, ConflictErrors need to be passed on
raise
except Exception, Msg:
# oops, something Oracle-y messed up
print o[0], str(Exception), str(Msg)
# return the results
return printed
# try individual names
try:
# see if the connection exists (actually we
# check if there is a zsql named 'name'
con = container[name]
except KeyError:
print "There is no connection named %s"%name
return printed
try:
# found it, check it
sys, date = name, con()[0].sysdate
print sys, str(date)
return printed
except ConflictError:
# apparently, ConflictErrors need to be passed on
raise
except Exception, Msg:
print name, str(Exception), str(Msg)
return printed
# We shouldn't be here, so aliens must have
# hijacked us
print "ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!"
return printed
I have cron job that calls a shell script that uses wget to call
www..com/heartbeat/index
that shell script compares the output from wget to decied if there is an
error or if the connections are ok.
If there is an error, we restart the node that had problems.
Hope this helps, it works for us :-)
/dario
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Re: [Zope] Zope Alternative
Chris Withers said the following on 11/15/2006 09:00 AM: >> But us going on like "you obviously don't get it, do you? In fact, you >> dont seem to get anything about the web, even. Go away!" > > If that's true, then why not? > because it is not nice and we behave like them if we do? :-) >> either: instead of getting an enlightened zope user, we get yet another >> "zope sucks"-person with a bunch of misconceptions about zope out in the >> wild. > > Some people can't be helped... well, we don't need more of them, so we should avoid that as much as we can... >> Everybody needs to be treated with some degree of respect, and it's not > > Sorry, I disagree. Respect is a mutual thing. oh, yes, but when someone solicits opinions and gets whacked in the head because we don't like his ideas, then it is us that lack in respect, not them. >> Yes, in general, but in our case, I get the feeling that *anyone* that >> does not agree with the zope-philosophy, or questions the way zope >> works, gets a smack in the head. This is just the latest example. > > Nah, I don't agree, sorry. If that had been the case, how did Zope 3 > come into being? ;-) Because Jim is not someone to get smacked in the head? :-) >> I am not trying to tell people how to behave, though, even if it may >> sound like it - I am just trying to point out some things about our >> attitude that we should be aware of as a community. > > I'd say, as a community, we don't tolerate fools lightly. I see that as > a good thing... It is a problem because that makes us stand out as bunch of ignorable, elitist *ssh*les to the world. That is not a good thing in my book. YMMV. /dario -- -- --- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope Alternative
michael nt milne said the following on 11/14/2006 10:59 AM: > You make some very valid, correct points but then also make a very > incorrect assumption as well. I don't believe the original poster is a > troll and neither am I or anyone else who has agreed that this list > needs to have some more class and enlightenment. agreed, but I meant this jokingly, and besides: perhaps we *all* could characterise ourselves as trolls we when spend 8 more or less consecutive mails on the list for name calling of various sorts :-) /dario -- -- ------- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope Alternative
For the record: my original response was not aimed at you personally Chris, it was just that your mail triggered the whole thing. I apologize for making you the target (and for feeding some trolls :). Chris Withers said the following on 11/13/2006 04:38 PM: > > Well, he's treating us like dirt, Dario. Rather than spending time > helping to document Zope, he's gone off and built a wiki slating it. > Thanks, but no thanks... hm... ok, point taken. However: he is not treating us like dirt. Not all zope-users have the historical baggage where zope gets treated like a second class citizen in the Python community, usually with some gross misconception about what zope does as a basis for that. If he publishes a wiki with some misconceptions, so what? Will it have more impact than all the other sites that don't grok zope and therefore dismisses it? No, probably not. But us going on like "you obviously don't get it, do you? In fact, you dont seem to get anything about the web, even. Go away!" is not the way either: instead of getting an enlightened zope user, we get yet another "zope sucks"-person with a bunch of misconceptions about zope out in the wild. I am not defending his misconceptions (if there are any - i haven't spent much time reading his wiki, really) and I generally agree that spending time thinking about a fork is futile. I somehow can understand his position, though, having rewritten some of our systems based on what they should do, instead of trying to understand the original spaghetti code (but my code is nowhere near the complexity of Zope, on the other hand). Nevertheless, I think we as a community could show some class and style. Everybody needs to be treated with some degree of respect, and it's not like he's going to write a zope fork, in real life; and so what if he did, if it was better, then we could probably learn something, if it isn't better, nothing will have changed for us. > This certainly isn't the case. People who expect their work to get doen > for them for free will get a hard time. I'd suggest that people who come > with particularly unconstructive approaches to how zope may be improved > will also come in for a similarly hard time... Yes, in general, but in our case, I get the feeling that *anyone* that does not agree with the zope-philosophy, or questions the way zope works, gets a smack in the head. This is just the latest example. I am not trying to tell people how to behave, though, even if it may sound like it - I am just trying to point out some things about our attitude that we should be aware of as a community. /dario -- -- --- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope Alternative
Chris Withers said the following on 11/13/2006 12:11 PM: > Hafeliel wrote: >> >> If you could, please take a moment to surf on over to >> http://zopereplacement.wikidot.com/ > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll > > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty > > Try doing a bit more digging before wasting your time writing this rubbish. > > I suggest you take a good long hard look at Zope 3, read the 2 books, > and then come back... yeah, I can see how this kind of attitude draws lots and lots of new followers to zope. Sure, the man might be mistaken and misinformed, but if it is hard to understand the tool, maybe some docs or references might be in order, thoughI fail to see anythign zope related in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll unless we mean to describe the attitude towards criticism we/some of us don't like (like to deal with?). I am sure that treating him like dirt under our shoes will help improve his perception of zope and why it is such a wonderfull tool. I am not sure, however, that the zope community needs this kind of ad hominem argumentation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem) towards any and all that raise any kind of issue with zope. Whatever. /dario -- -- ----------- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2 for Windows
michael nt milne said the following on 10/12/2006 01:33 PM: > No I get your point. I just feel that anti-windows feeling has to be > flagged up. If not it gets endemnic and hopefully occasional pointers > will feed in organically. Ultimately in OSS though people will do what > they want and that is also part of the value. Finally I don't think I am > 'whining' on this. > there is no anti-windows feeling, even if some people make snug remarks about windows. There is a lack of windows-savvy developers that have time and resources to maintain the windows builds. However, that is a totally different issue, and your attitude does not help. So, if there are some souls here on this list that are less than pleasant at times (yeah, you know who you are :-), then by all means show some class and do not try to behave like them. so, to repeat: there is no anti-windows conspiracy, just an unfortunate lack of windows-savvy developers (I'll have to add "that can afford the ms development tools" ;-). my 2 eurocents. Cheers, /dario -- -- ------- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: Give it a rest + answers. (Re: [Zope] Re: Zope + Apache on Quad Debian machine)
Chris Withers said the following on 2006-03-22 01:36: Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: Dario, I actually think your comment here is a bit out of order if you're referring to this post of mine: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2006-March/165574.html yes, it was and I apologise for it, you did point to relevant information and I was unfair towards you. In all fairness, the quality of newbies was better back then. Too many people come to this list nowadays asking about stuff without bothering to do any research and often asking about Plohn, whereas their own lists would be much better... They then get arsey because people won't bend over backwards to help them answer the same question they asked before, even though they're not even paying the people they're expecting to help them. Unfortunaltey, that is the ways things work, and I think we all have to prepare to be nice to those newbies too. Back then, when we are a select "few" that used zope and zope was not so on-topic as it is today, the ones that were on the list were interested in Zope-the-technology and thus could ask sensible questions. Generally speaking, with the growing poularity of Zope-solutions, where Plone and CPS being popular solutions more or less "hide" the technology behind, we get a bunch of people that do not necessarily care about the technology behind plone/cps, they just wnat things to work. Also, especially having the "marketing zope" discussions happening on other lists, we need to come to terms with the fact that zope does not exist in isolation from it's environment. Questions on the general Zope list about issues and successes in deploying Zope, Zope performance *ARE* legitimate questions on the list. Even if the real answer is "it's a python thing". If folks don't care for politeness and a will to help users, then they should see it as a technical issue. Zope is probably the largest Python Threaded app there is at the moment (perhaps the largest Python app, period?) - Zope has lead to bugs being discovered in Python that get fixed in newer Python releases. So, questions and issues about threaded Pytohn apps are very likely to be related to Zope, and shoudl not be dismissed ad-hoc-ly, in spite of the answer being "google is your friend: zope+multi+cpu" enough sleep, yada, yada, yada... I fail to see how that is a newbie's fault, so no need to take it out on them. It's a two way street... Indeed, and in hindsight, I guess I reverted to this behaviour as well :P. Sorry about that. http://www.zope.org/Members/glpb/solaris/report_ps Having chatted with both the author and the researcher of that paper, I don't remember the results being as clear-cut as you imply ;-) having experienced this first hand, before the paper arrived (and it did help me find the solution), I think I disagree :-) Still, had Hugo bothered to do even some cursory googling, would he not have found all that information? http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=zope+multi+cpu I guess he was under the wrong impression that the zope-list was a friendly and safe place to ask questions and get community support :) Joke aside, yes, he would have found the answer probably, but we cannot expect all netizens to be civilised and know proper behaviour. I think Checkov (or someone) said something along the lines of "good table manners is not to not spill sauce on the table, but to not notice when someone else does". I think we could do with something similar about netiquette. Regarding all other advises you have gotten so far (get more memory, look at your disks, get a life, etc), I am sure that they have merits, but as far as I can see, they don't actually solve anything at all. I think you're stepping outside the bounds of reasonable argument here... The other advice, in fact, more often than not, has more impact on more zope installations... I'd love to see more data and less opinion about this - and no, I am not being sarcastic here. If we can avoid taskset then the setup is *way* simpler for our sysadmins, so I have a real interest here. Actually, most people run multiple zeo clients on multi-processor boxes and let the native task scheduler "do the right thing". For "most people" this seems to work just fine... See above. /dario -- -- --- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: Give it a rest + answers. (Re: [Zope] Re: Zope + Apache on Quad Debian machine)
Jeff Donsbach said the following on 2006-03-21 17:26: Dario, Do you have any kind of comparison numbers of using CPU affinity vs not for your particular case? Also, are you using ZEO or not? It's not that I don't believe you when you say it matters a lot for you. I do believe you. Like Tino, I'm just generally interested in how much it matters in measurable terms. I can imagine there are a number of factors determining how much it matters, like Zope app/workload as well as the underlying hardware architecture (how big of a penalty is it to synchronize cache pages between CPUs) and the OS CPU scheduler as Tino mentioned. To be honest, we have never had the inclination to do much of research in this area. Our situation has mostly been such that we experience horrible delays in zope-responsiveness in testing that vanish as soon as we use taskset. This is on both Solaris (with the equivalent of taskset there) and Linux . Since then (and for other reasons), we have migrated all of the central servers we manage from Solaris to Linux, so I cannot give any more input about Solaris. Yes, we use ZEO almost exclusively, it is realtively easy to setup even fpr development and we don't deploy without ZEO anymore. It makes a fair bit of improvement as well. We have an app (the one that tooks us on the road to zope) that for various reasons has not updated properly since 2002 when we first had our multicpu experiences. This particular app receives quite a bit of load, and since it is built entirely thru the web with by now age-old DTML and ye-olde-zope-techniques, it is not the speediest in the world. Add to that the fact that we use DCOracle2(*) to do Oracle queries, and we sometimes expericence hangups on the ZEO clients. For this app, we have "successfully" delayed it's demise and avoided total chaos by adding more ZEO clients (at the moment, these clients runt on two machines, four processes on one and two processes on the other). Well, we also have scripts that restart the nodes when the leak memory too much, and so on. BUT: the speed of the app has increased with each node we add. I am sorry that I cannot give more numbers - I hear from the traffic on the list that there are other factors involved nowadays that may in some way obsolete the need to bind to a particular CPU, however I do not understand how this can have an impact on the GIL. Let me be the first to admit my total lack of knowledge of kernel task schedulers, but generally speaking, unless the scheduler makes sure that a threaded python process never ever gets distributed over two processors simultaniously, then the GIL *will* be an issue. In any event, I'd love to be proved wrong about the need for taskset (especially if someone comes up with measurable data to that effect) because it means that my sysadmins can simplify their setup for managing Zope (making Zope even more acceptable :-). Cheers, /dario (*) We have not been able to use the versions of DCOracle2 that ChrisW has worked on, because we expericend nother set of problems with them and we never had the opportinuty to really spend time chasing those bugs. I believe ChrisW's DCO2 does solve some of the issues that the original DCO2 has Please note that the problems we had with it, may very well becasue of our particular setup (Oracle 8, bad code in our app, even worse sql, etc). I have heard that for other people Chris's DCOracle2 versions work better than the non-modified DCO2, so YMMV. -- -- ----------- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: Give it a rest + answers. (Re: [Zope] Re: Zope + Apache on Quad Debian machine)
Tino Wildenhain said the following on 2006-03-21 14:51: Otoh, I have yet to see the figures showing the CPU afinity buys you anything in reality. We know the GIL, thats for sure but I never saw a measureable difference binding a process to a CPU (which is also highly depending on the OS scheduler) for us, it makes all the difference between "zope sucks, why do we bother with this non-sense, non-standard, butt-slow appserver, and use Java or PHP instead" and "nice, zope based solutions are really nice, not only feature wise, but also speedy. And they are clusterable too, neat!" /dario -- -- ------- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Give it a rest + answers. (Re: [Zope] Re: Zope + Apache on Quad Debian machine)
Martijn Pieters said the following on 2006-03-16 12:25:
On 3/16/06, Tino Wildenhain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hey... but thank you Jens for spending all that time writing an email
that doesn't help any1 at all...!!!
check google for "multiple use of exclamation marks".
Or look up Terry Pratchett quotes on www.lspace.org:
Martinj, Chris and others giving nonsential answers: Don't you guys have
work to do instead of playing bullies on the newbies?.
To be honest, I find arrogant and pointless answers like yours way more
annoying than a whole bunch of newbies asking more or less cluess questions.
I see a lot of this newbie bashing increasing; in fact it has been some
years since the zope list was a good example on how to treat newbies
politely and point them to the prope answers.
Sure, we all have loads of work and are way too stressed, we don't get
enough sleep, yada, yada, yada... I fail to see how that is a newbie's
fault, so no need to take it out on them.
For the benefit of all those that have tiny, tiny memory spans, the
question of Zope's processes necessity to be CPU-bound is a horse that
was resolved a couple of years ago (2002). It turns out that it is not a
Zope problem ("Oh, the Horror. He's bringing a non-zope question to the
list!").
It is pythons "fault", if you are grumpy old fart, or it is a "feature"
if you are having a good day.
The need for threaded python processes to be CPU bound (yes, Zope is
threaded, in case you have forgotten) arises from the fact that python
has the GIL (Global Interpreter Lock).
For background see:
http://www.zope.org/Members/glpb/solaris
and
http://www.zope.org/Members/glpb/solaris/report_ps
As far as I know, the GIL is still there and won't go away any time
soon. Today, the only change from 2002 is that there is a heck of a lot
more multi-CPU machines than there were back in 2002.
So, to make a long story short: on linux there is a userspace tools
called taskset:
http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/taskset1.html
http://aplawrence.com/Basics/taskset.html
if there is no such command for your particular distro/kernelversion,
look no further than:
http://directory.fsf.org/all/schedutils.html
http://rlove.org/
http://rlove.org/schedutils/
ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/util-linux/
I cannot tell you wich version to use, but I think you get the idea. I
do believe that some distros allready include taskset in them.
So you have to write a wrapper script around zopectl (you are running a
newer versionof zope, aren't you?) where you do this.
It has worked like a charm for us since 2002 (well, almost - since
schedutils were new and cool back in 2002 we had regular fights with the
sysadmins guys regarding the need to introduce
"non-redhat-aproved-kernel-hacks" into the production systems. Nowadays
taskset and related tools are included in the later RHE releases).
Regarding all other advises you have gotten so far (get more memory,
look at your disks, get a life, etc), I am sure that they have merits,
but as far as I can see, they don't actually solve anything at all.
The fact that the issue of the GIL is not more prominent in the Zope
worlds, I think is because relatively few zopistas are aware that there
is a problem; mostly, because not so many run multicpu-boxes in
production, and also because of attitude, I suppose: "since I don't have
a problem with it, I don't care about it, and I'll inform you so."
/dario - yes... a bit annoyed at all the "help" some folks give...
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[Zope] Re: major problems placing authentication on an extranet site-security flaw?
Alexander Limi said the following on 2006-02-14 14:05: On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:59:07 -0800, Dario Lopez-Kästen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: *HOWEVER*, IIRC, plone, especially on windows (if installed with the windows installer) uses a trick, which is not documented at all, as far as I know, uses a Site Access rule. http://plone.org/documentation/faq/multiple-sites-installers What part is not documented at all? :) ähh... woopsy-daisy! my mistake. Sorry! 8^) /dario - crawls back under a rock... ;) -- -- --- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: major problems placing authentication on an extranet site-security flaw?
michael nt milne said the following on 2006-02-14 12:30: As for the issue with IE6 and editing pages over SSL it all works fine in Firefox 1.5, so it's a browser issue which I just can't quite fathom just now. >>I doubt it, my guess would still be that you're doing something wrong somewhere... >>>Sorry but I don't agree on this one. I haven't altered any of the Plone 'edit page' functionality. It's out of the box. Works fine without SSL but on SSL trying to edit a page causes 'can't find server'. Firefox though works perfectly viewing and editing so it's a browser issue. I know of other people who have issues with IE and posting images over SSL. Must be something to do with POST security over IE. I'm going to take it up with them but don't expect too much of a response. I'm now about to try with Opera. This part is *only* about setting up the servers, apache and zope in this context, properly. There is nothing in Zope that works differently when serving over ssl or not. SSL is just a transport layer, so it does *not* affect zope-capabilities in any way. I am sure you know this, but since we have learned very little (or at least I have - maybe I am not paying attention well enough :-): *HOWEVER*, IIRC, plone, especially on windows (if installed with the windows installer) uses a trick, which is not documented at all, as far as I know, uses a Site Access rule. Have you modified that rule to take advantage of the SSL -server? Perhaps the SiteAccess rule is triggering adn trying to redirect you to an address/port where there is no service listeing? /dario -- -- --- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: major problems placing authentication on an extranet site-security flaw?
Chris Withers said the following on 2006-02-12 15:27: Given your earlier paranoia about security uh, us security nerds^H^H^H^H^H^H folks-who-have-an-strong-interest-in-security, actually prefer to call it "eagerness". "Paranoia" has such negative timbre, don't you think? :-) Nevertheless, it is not simple to implement proper security with cookie-based logins. I had to make my own hacked version of SinmpleUserFodler with seesioning on the zeo server to get it secure enough (it is actually a trade off from what I would have liked to have in the first place, but it works ok). Cheers, /dario -- -- ----------- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Zope vs Plone: performance issues!
Subject: Re: Zope vs Plone: performance issues! Alexander Limi wrote: On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:11:04 -0800, Dario Lopez-Kästen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Start by checking the ZODB cache numbers in the zope-conf file (too start simple). IIRC, the default is 5000 objects. Increase that to, say 50.000 or so (you mention that you have a busy site). Sorry, but this is not good advice. 5000 objects in the cache is normally plenty, and you should look into caching the front-end before you even consider this. 50K objects in the cache will eat *a lot* of memory, and most likely cause swapping. Cache properly with Apache or Squid in front first, then investigate the more complex settings. Does this apply for personanlsied content as well? Remember, his site is an intranet. We at least, have had good results by increasing the internal ZODB caching. I fail to see how squid could help us with a site that is mostly non-static. It would be nicer of course if we could use some other kind of caching, so I am always open to suggestions :-) /dario -- -- --- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope vs Plone: performance issues!
Hugo Ramos wrote: Well... They were already using Zope's cache and Squid to proxy some static HTML I guess the problem is Plone itself... Skins etc... eh, sorry for probably stating the obvious. you menationed in an earlier mail that you have good hardware. If this hardware is multi-cpu then I suggest that you use some tool (i.e. taskset on linux) to bind each zope python process to a single cpu. Threaded python applications does not work well in multi-cpu settings where there is a chance of a threaded python process being spread out over more than one CPU. I causes a, sometimes signinficant, performance loss. Just by binding the zope python processes to a single CPU (not necessarily the same, just make sure that any single python process is not spread over more than one CPU) you will notice a preformance increase. And like all the others said, Caching is you friend. Start by checking the ZODB cache numbers in the zope-conf file (too start simple). IIRC, the default is 5000 objects. Increase that to, say 50.000 or so (you mention that you have a busy site). Good luck. /dario -- -- --- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Products have incorrect "home" attribute
George Lee wrote: After migrating to a new server, several of my Zope products have an incorrect "home" attribute that specifies where they live on the filesystem. However, when I try to change these attributes using an external method, the attributes do not change. Any help? Peace, George I dunno if this relates to your specific case (and apologies for perhaps stating the obvious). Did you delete the *.pyc files after moving the products? pyc files contain information about their paths, and they do not get recompiled if their source file is unchanged. hth, /dario -- -- ------- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Python Classes and Zope.
Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: that's because it does not seem to work with new-style python classes in zope2.7 it works with: class MyStuff: instead of: class MyStuff(object): This is what you would have got: File "/opt/Zope-2.7/lib/python/AccessControl/SecurityInfo.py", line 165, in apply dict['%s__roles__' % name] = access TypeError: object does not support item assignment if you'd run it without the extra call. now, the question is if it's worth the extra effort. aha!; thanks for the explanation. Well, as you know, we have not officially gotten so far with implementing new style class features on our base classes (that is, unless you have checked in som extra code lately that relies on NSC) Considering the time frame we are living with - yes, not using NSC is definitely the way to go for now, until I have time to upgrade to Plone 2.1.1 and Zope 2.8 or 2.9. Thanks! /dario -- -- ------- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Python Classes and Zope.
Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
is it a typo, or did you mean:
a_class.security.setDefaultAccess('allow')
it is a type and I do mean a_class.security.setDefaultAccess('allow').
/dario
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Re: [Zope] Re: Python Classes and Zope.
Florent Guillaume wrote:
Paul Winkler wrote:
On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 04:12:01PM +0100, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
does zope2 do an access control based on acquisition for public
methods, that would be a waste of resources since the answer is
always "yes, granted" ?
Well, the thing is, the declaration that makes the method public
*has no effect* unless your class participates in acquisition.
That's not true. The objects of this class will be perfectly accessible
to a restricted user:
from AccessControl import ClassSecurityInfo
class MyStuff(object):
security = ClassSecurityInfo()
security.declareObjectPublic()
security.setDefaultAccess('allow')
def foo(self):
return 'bar'
InitializeClass(MyStuff)
In Zope 2.7.8 I get a segmentation fault when I try to do the above; I
also have the following code that manages this for any class (to avoid
having to do that for every single class):
def _ZopifyClass(a_class):
a_class.security = ClassSecurityInfo()
a_class.security.declareObjectPublic() # Segmentation fault
security.setDefaultAccess('allow')
InitializeClass(a_class)
I cannot swithc to Zope 2.8 because my code runs in PLone 2.05 and it
does not work with Zope 2.8.
The segmentation fault occurs in the declareObjectPublic() statement.
Is there a fix for the Zope 2.7 to this problem?
Thanks.
/dario
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Re: [Zope] Python Classes and Zope.
Andreas Jung wrote: --On 1. Dezember 2005 13:46:55 -0200 Fernando Lujan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There's a way to use a Python class inside zope? For instance, if I create the class: class MyClass: "A simple example class" i = 12345 def f(self): return 'hello world' Can I invoke the following code inside a Python Script? x = MyClass() x.f() PythonScripts are for *scripting* not for implementing complex logic and for programming tasks that require classes. PythonScripts don't provide full Python functionality that why were are talking of *Restriced Python*. Consider writing your functionality as Python product. all moral lessons aside, there are several use cases where access to *objects*, passed to zope2 from external packages and modules, is desirable. Most, if not all examples, out there assume that the external packages/modules/classes can freely be converted to Zope-classes. Now, assuming that I have not missed something fundamental, the problem the way I see it, is that when my Product recieves an object from the non-zope code, the object does not know anything about Zope, it is just a happy Python-object. But in order to even display it in a zpt I must transmogrify it into a special zope-object, and *that* is not so easy as I have discovered. In my case I am not so interested in importing the moduels or classes into a Script(Python) - I have allready passed the objects in question thtough my product, but still I get some "Zope Does Not Allow That" error. So far I have not had any success with anything else than writing special methods in my Classes that converts the objects to dictionaries before passing them to the zpt or Script(Python) in question. But that feels like a very awkward way of doing things, and it makeas it *very* difficult for Zope to be a nice player with non-zope objects. My 2 €-cents worth. /dario -- -- ----------- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] convert DTML Document to a folder.
Martin Koekenberg wrote: yes, That was my idea. Is there a solution for that convert. Martin Koekenberg well, sort of, but there is no converting. Here's a suggestion, that may work for you assuming that I understand the problem properly: The DTML-document contains some sort of information that you need to keep, but you also need to store stuff inside of it. The most obvious solution is to create a folder with the same name as the DTML-document, put the DTML-document inside the folder and rename the doc to Index_html. moving all properties from the doc to the folder and presto, there you have it. renaming the doc index_html gives you url-compliance with previous urls, ie if you had /some/url/the_doc, you can still keep /some/url/the_doc, because it will automagically render /some/url/the_doc/index_html for you. The API for creating and getting properties is availabel in the Zope Help from the ZMI. HTH and Good luck! /dario -Original Message- From: Jonathan Cyr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So, you'd like to turn an independent entry into a container to hold more info? -Jon Martin Koekenberg wrote: The DTML Documents are userinfo documents. I want to create a photoorder form and generate a dtml document with that users orders. I want to place that in his user folder. Martin Koekenberg -Original Message- From: Andreas Jung --On 16. November 2005 15:35:14 +0100 Martin Koekenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, Is it possible to convert a DTML Document to a folder, Both with properties ? I use Zope 2.8.4. Converting a piece of textual content to a folder makes no sense. WHat are you trying to do??? -aj -- Jonathan Cyr http://www.cyr.info http://www.weddingweblog.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- ----------- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
Alexander Limi wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:58:31 -0700, Peter Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can I humbly recommend that you don't reinvent the wheel and have a look at www.issuetrackerproduct.com It's really good for QA and general problem reporting. Everybody wants to write their own issue tracker (and in the later stages of this syndrome, their own project management software), as you are well aware of. ;) Yes, well, after all, this *is* zope and python. The "There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it." slogan applies only to language syntax and features. Now, stuff created *with* the language - well, *that* is a *totally* different matter... *wink* /dario -- -- ----------- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] passing the parameters to zsql method
Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: Denis V. Gudtsov wrote: DLK> use an intermediary Script (Python), ie: [..skipped..] Thank you. But, can i do this without using python? From zpt -> to zsql? Just curious too: isn't there an easier way of doing this using schemas / widgets / SQL adapters? or are the zsql scripts so very specific that they do more than simple schema mappings? all of this sound way more complex that 1 script, 1 zpt and 1 zsql... also you might want to put that logic in a tool and protect the methods? (scripts and ZPTs are not protected as far as I know) se above... of course, IMHO, my 2 eurocents worth, YMMV, Standard Disclaimers Apply, etc. /dario -- -- --- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] passing the parameters to zsql method
Denis V. Gudtsov wrote: DLK> use an intermediary Script (Python), ie: [..skipped..] Thank you. But, can i do this without using python? From zpt -> to zsql? [cc-ing: [EMAIL PROTECTED] well, yes in a way. ZSQL methods have to be called like other metods, but AFAIK, they cannot be traversed like, for instance, scripts. As I understand it, this is for security reasons (I myself would never allow a zsql to be exposed without some scripts in between, but that's just me...) Anyway, one way to do what you want is to do more in the zpt than may be advisable: exactly how to do it, I leave up to you, becasue there are several different ways of achieving this, but I give general directions. Also, there are probably other ways than what I describe below. You can make the form post to iself, and use calls inside the form to prepare the input to the zsql. lets say your zpt is called "entry_form" and looks something like this (pseudo zpt): tal:omit-tag="" /> Not sure if this works, but that is the general idea. This was inspired from http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition/AdvZPT.stx#2-9 section: "Form Processing" Good luck! /dario -- -- ------- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope 2.8 or 3.1?
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 26 Oct 2005, at 21:43, HaraldFinnås wrote: I've also seen comments that running Zope on RHEL/CentOS might not be wise. My test env. is using FC4, but I'm planning to install CenOS 4.2 on the production server. Unwise choice? I'd be curious to find out who says something like that. It's BS. Zope runs perfectly fine on all RHEL-based distributions. The only issues you might ever run into would be problems with the Python that comes with the OS. But then again if you run Zope in production you should never ever use the system Python and build your own instead. The system Python tends to be compiled with weird flags on RH-based distros to suit their own needs for the many Python-based scripts they have in the OS. Don't use it, build your own. well, on larger shops like ours, the sysadms always want to know why we introduce Yet Another Non-Standard Component to the system setup that cannot be RPM'ed like the rest. And I am not talking across pythoin versions, but oin the same release series (ie. 2.3, etc) I know it is more convenient to self.compile() the python, but it is always hard to argue with the sysadms on this issue. Our current solution is to provide a precomipiled rpm with the pythons we want to use. Why is that the standard os-distributed pythons do not work with zope? They seem to work with other python sw... /dario - being curious... -- -- ----------- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming & application design: "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] passing the parameters to zsql method
Denis V. Gudtsov wrote:
clients_add_sql:
insert into table(name,account) values (,
);
the problem is when i click the 'submit' button, the form
"clients_add_sql Input Data Enter query parameters:" appears.
Does someone know how i can pass the form parameters to zsql method
directly?
use an intermediary Script (Python), ie:
---
# extract data from form and put into zsql-method.
request = continer.REQUEST
name = request.form.get('name', None)
account = request.form.get('account', None)
# Sanity check - do we have values?
if name and account:
# assume that the zsql-method is in the same folder as this script
container.clients_add_sql(name=name, account=account)
# if the zsql is not in the same folder as this script, use aquisition
#context.clients_add_sql(name=name, account=account)
---
As you can see, introducing a script in between has other benefits as
well, such as allowing for data verification etc.
to call the script change:
to
hope this helps.
/dario
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[Zope] [OT] Disagreement (was Re: Ithy trigger....)
Bill Andersson wrote: > Be that as it may, it still does not constitute a flame-war. True. We are not having a flamewar. Yet. However, as I am sure you yourself have experienced, licensing issues/discussions in Open Source contexts require no more than a few heated mails to degenerate into a Flame War. Surely you have been around long enough to see this happen (in fact you were around this list's latest big hoopla about the GPL in September of last year. 44 mails about "Zope and the GPL poison pill" in 3 days, 11 various follow ups). Allready this thread has generated 16 mails so far, not including this one. > > Imagine the consequences of having the spooky ghost of the License Horse > > roaming about... *B* > > Or worse, the fear of saying something in disagreement, for fear of being > labelled a flame war starter. Well, I disagree ;^), the issue here is not really whether it is allowed or not to disagree. Of course it is allowed to disagree (which is exactly what I am doing now), and disagreement is good: it makes you think about your opinions one time more. License issues (or wars) are just not on the topic of this list. And neither is this post, so I'll stop right now :-) /dario btw: humour was intended in my last post, even if not obvious. sorry about that. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Ithy Trigger Fingers (was Re: [Zope] License)
I believe the Horse of Licenses was beaten to death in a recent thread some month(s), if not weeks, ago. May It Rest in Peace. This may be the Second Coming of It, but, with all due respect, License Horses and discussions of Other License's Merits and Flaws are off-topic for this list; I think most^H^H^H^H many subscribers will agree on this. Imagine the consequences of having the spooky ghost of the License Horse roaming about... *B* Cheers, /dario - asbestos suit is: on - Dario Lopez-Kästen Systems Developer Chalmers Univ. of Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ will yield no hitsIT Systems & Services ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]
Textpad www.textpad.com EditPluswww.editplus.com I am using TextPad mostly now. Of course, given the choice, I'd much rather use BBEdit or Alpha on a Mac /dario - Original Message - From: "Chris Withers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tres Seaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 11:08 AM Subject: [Zope] Editors [OT] > Tres Seaver wrote: > > > > I'm liking it a lot -- the last reason to even consider using > > emacs is gone :) > > Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor... > > My wishlist would be: > > - Runs nicely on NT4 > - Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is dreamworld > stuff, DTML ;-) > - FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution, like > cadaver making it work ;-) > - Regular Expression search & replace > - search & replace of multiple files > > and my dream list would be: > > - can run multiple copies of the editor at once > - class browser for python, with expand/collapse of code (like the editor for > Python 2) > > Any ideas? > > cheers, > > Chris > > ___ > Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Some help required but no sarcastic comments this time please
- Original Message - From: "Stephane Bortzmeyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Zope] Some help required but no sarcastic comments this time please > On Tuesday 23 January 2001, at 23 h 17, the keyboard of "alankirk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I am using Zope 2.2.2 on windows(this time i'd appreciate no sarcastic = > > comments this time) > > Feel free to interpret every comment you don't like as "sarcastic", but it > will not save your business. > > > to this address) and the response has been pretty poor, i've even tried = > > to email people involved with the mysql database adaptors and got no = > > response. > > You use a commercial operating system: pay for a commercial support. > > > It is really important that i get this problem sorted now if possible as = > > my final year project for university depends on this 'bug' getting = > > fixed. > > If it is important, do not run it on MS-Windows. Otherwise, some people may think > you know nothing about software... And this kind of harsh response was necessary, because... ? /dario *end of thread* - Dario Lopez-Kästen Systems Developer Chalmers Univ. of Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ will yield no hitsIT Systems & Services ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] "SELECT ... AS ..." statement in ZSQL
- Original Message - From: "Bowyer, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > A simple question, but I can't seem to find a simple answer in any of the > documentation... > > How do you do a SELECT AS statement in a ZSQL method? > > For example > SELECT FirstName + " " + LastName AS FullName > hmm... shouldn't that be SELECT FirstName || " " || LastName as FullName I am bit unsure of the proper syntax (I am mostly working with Oracle), but I think you use "||" to concatenate two strings in SQL. /dario - ---- Dario Lopez-Kästen Systems Developer Chalmers Univ. of Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ will yield no hitsIT Systems & Services ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Acquisition: DTML Methods vs Documents
Hello! I think hade a similar problem. It seems that you can only use methods for acquisition, not documents. I had an index_html DOC where I specified the structure of my site. In index_html I used that and in some_doc I once . The idea was that in my subfolers I only needed to have the objects some_doc and other_doc, and that I would use the structure from the index_html higher up. This way I could provide "modules" to managers of subfolders, so they need not to concern themselvs with the proper way of setting up their index_html. It didn't work unitl I changed index_html and all other objects from dtml-docs to dtml-methods. Otherwise I would always end up with the parent (in my case the root level) documents. I wanted to have DTML-documents in the firts place, because I noticed that in dtml-methods the call has no effect; it does not use the methods title_or_id, it uses the toplevel (or the calling documents) title_or_id. Is this a similar situation to yours? /dario - Original Message - From: "Oleg Broytmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >There are many Documents on my site, not only index_html. Should I make > them all Methods? Why after this I need Documents at all? > > Oleg. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] sqlgroup problems
Hello! I need help with the following SQL-method, which I don't know if it is a bug, or if it is my mistake. I am building a search interface to a database (Zope 2.2.4 w all HF's, Oracle 8.1.7, Solaris), and I want to use the following sqlmethod, to let the user enter any combination of search parameters, including none: select * from ladok.kurs >From the Zope Book, Chapter 10, I got the impression that the "optional" part of the sqltest tag would render the parts that where not null; i.e. if I only specify the kurs_namn variable (first sqltest), the method would render the following SQL: select * from ladok.kurs where (kod like 'XX') or, if no search parameters where specified, it would render the following SQL: select * from ladok.kurs However this is not the case, what I get if I enter XX for kurs_kod is the following SQL: select * from ladok.kurs where (kod like 'XX' and benamns like '' ) Is this expected behaviour or have I misunderstood the docs? I can get around this problem by doing something like this (notice the op tag and the extra ",'%')" string at the end of each sqltest line) : , '%') which renders the following SQL (the "%" is the Oracle wildcard operator): select * from ladok.kurs where (kod like nvl( 'XX', '%') and benamns like nvl( '', '%') ) however, i'd much rather that it didn't render the null variables at all. If this is known behaviour then the examples in Chapter 10 Any help appreciated. I searched the archives but didn't find any answers, TIA, /dario - Dario Lopez-Kästen Systems Developer Chalmers Univ. of Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ will yield no hitsIT Systems & Services ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] index_html woes - solved!
> However this is not working, anymore I might add. I cannot say what I have > done wrong. The only thing I've done is to add and remove SiteRoots with > SiteAccess2 (which btw i cannot make work, and has caused my zope to die > abruptly, w/o leaving trace in the logs). I don't know if this is related, > but i thought i'd mention it anyway. Hello! I solved this myself. Naturally, it was my own stupidity: it turns out that in order to have a template permeate down to the sub-folders, it is necessary to make it a dtml-method and not a dtml-document. Now that I recreated my pieces as dtml-methods it all works as a charm. Lesson learned: need to catch up on acquisition mechanism :-) Sincerely, /dario - ------------ Dario Lopez-Kästen Systems Developer Chalmers Univ. of Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ will yield no hitsIT Systems & Services ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] index_html woes + more.... :-(
Hello! I am at loss on the following problem: I have an index_html DTML-document that is only a skeleton to let me design my site around it, based on a common structure. In index_html I call various of dtml-documents and dtml-methods, like "main_pane" and "main_msg_box", etc. The idea I had (and that actually worked for some time) is that I need not implement an index_html file in every sub-folder in my zope installation, but that it would get inherited (aquired???) by all subfolders and that I only needed to make a "main_pane" method, and a "main_msg_box" document. However this is not working, anymore I might add. I cannot say what I have done wrong. The only thing I've done is to add and remove SiteRoots with SiteAccess2 (which btw i cannot make work, and has caused my zope to die abruptly, w/o leaving trace in the logs). I don't know if this is related, but i thought i'd mention it anyway. Can anybody hint me in any direction? Please? Here is my setup: Zope version: Zope 2.2.4 (source release, python 1.5.2, linux2) Python version: 1.5.2 (#4, Aug 16 1999, 15:42:53) [GCC 2.95 19990728 (release)] System Platform: sunos5 Process ID: X Running for: 22 min 27 sec Zope is running behind apache (apache + zserver). Zope from src, compiled with /usr/bin/python wo_pcgi.py (is this correct, btw?) ExternalMethod (Installed product ExternalMethod (External Method-1-0-0)) Hotfix_2000-12-08 (Installed product Hotfix_2000-12-08) Hotfix_2000-12-15a (Installed product Hotfix_2000-12-15a) Hotfix_2000-12-18 (Installed product Hotfix_2000-12-18) LoginManager (Installed product LoginManager (LoginManager-0-8-8b1)) MIMETools (Installed product MIMETools) MailHost (Installed product MailHost (MailHost-1-2-0)) NewsFolder (Installed product NewsFolder) OFSP (Installed product OFSP (OFSP-1-0-0)) PlugIns (Installed product PlugIns (PlugIns-0-4-3b1)) SiteAccess (Installed product SiteAccess (SiteAccess-2-0-0)) ZCatalog (Installed product ZCatalog (ZCatalog-2-2-0)) ZGadflyDA (Installed product ZGadflyDA) ZOracleDA (Installed product ZOracleDA) ZPatterns (Installed product ZPatterns (ZPatterns-0-4-3b2)) ZSQLMethods (Installed product ZSQLMethods) ZopeTutorial (Installed product ZopeTutorial (Zope Tutorial 1.0)) As I said, any help is appreciated. Thank you /dario - -------- Dario Lopez-Kästen Systems Developer Chalmers Univ. of Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ will yield no hitsIT Systems & Services ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] multiple selects are not allowed
- Original Message - From: "Jose Soares" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Zope] multiple selects are not allowed > from ZSQL Methods User's Guide, last row on pag. 22: > > "Note that no more than one SQL select statement may be used in a single SQL > Database Method." > > Diny van Gool wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I want to execute multiple SQL statements in one SQL-Method. In the > > mailinglist archives i found the answer but when i try it i get an error: Diny, why do you need to execute multiple selects in one SQL-Method? Maybe there is another way of doing it? /dario - ---- Dario Lopez-Kästen Systems Developer Chalmers Univ. of Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ will yield no hitsIT Systems & Services ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Gopher from Zope
I wanna serve gopher:// from Zope :-) Is it possible? Don't need answers like "but gopher is old, ugly, etc", "we will loose all fomatting, etc", etc. Thanks, /dario :)) read all about it: gopher://gopher.heatdeath.org/00/the%20gopher%20manifesto.txt - -------- Dario Lopez-Kästen Systems Developer Chalmers Univ. of Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ will yield no hitsIT Systems & Services ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] ZPatterns & terminology
> From: "Cees de Groot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 8:16 AM > > Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >...I disagree, ZPatterns only major flaw is that its totally immersed in > >its own jargon which very few people understand :-( > > > >That said, my impression is that if you can wade through the b/s, it's > >more than worth the effort... > > > Hmm, maybe it's the time for a translate-zPatterns-to-english effort? Yes, I totally agree. It seems that Zpatterns is the thing I need to make tru my vison of self-contained plugin-components for the site(s) I am developing. However I since I am still strugglig with the concept of aquisition, the Zpattersn terminology makes my head spin. :-) /dario still digging... - Dario Lopez-Kästen Systems Developer Chalmers Univ. of Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ will yield no hitsIT Systems & Services ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Reasons for Apache?? SSL?? (was "Running Mailman CGI under Zope ZServer")
> From: "Fred Wilson Horch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 2:22 AM > Subject: [Zope] Running Mailman CGI under Zope ZServer <...snip...> > First, am I really the first person to try running CGI scripts from > ZServer? I have found some hints here and there of people doing > somewhat similar things, but I haven't yet found a product for easily > adding legacy CGI scripts to a Zope site. It seems most people run Zope > behind Apache. Is ZServer really slow or buggy or something? <...other good stuff snipped...> I have a similar question. I am planning and building a site in which about 50% of the content needs to be accessed using SSL only (it's personal information and we are using 128-bit SSL). Since I am only the database&web-guy and not a sysadmin-guy (yet :), I had one of my colleagues configure Apache and Zope using the "Apache & ZServer" how to. This works well and Apache serves Zope pretty well and we can even use SSL (there are some issues to be resolved that I suspect are due to misconfiguration on our server). However, I can always access Zope directly using port 8080 (or whatever port where ZServer is listening to) without SSL. This is aboviously not the intended behaviour. Is there a way to prevent this? I know there is ZServerSSL but isn't the whole point of using Apache that it is a better and more robust web-server than Zserver? (apart from the fact that we need to serve a lot of static content as well). What are the main resons for serving Zope behind Apache? Thanks for any input, Sincerley, /dario - ---- Dario Lopez-Kästen Systems Developer Chalmers Univ. of Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ will yield no hitsIT Systems & Services ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Higher Educatoin Portal/Admin
Greetings! I'd like to know if there are any activities regarding use of Zope to build/support educational systems. I have searched the list and there seem to be a few, but I cannot find out how to contact the peoiple involved. My main interest lies in building administrative systems that ease the task of planning and administering courses, staff and student info, schedules, publishing info about courses, events, etc, as well building or supporting systems that will let teachers build and integrate on-line courses with existing admin systems (although this is secondary; there are better systems that do this allready). This is not an easy task, of course, because it involves a lot of analysing the needs of an educational organisation as well as reviewing how the organisation works, how the students preceivethe service the receive, etc, etc. In other words, a lot of process development, instead of "technical" development. I am currently heavily involved in such a project. Among other things, I'd like to have a serious discussion on the pros and cons of building such a site/portal/whatever with Zope and why it is better to choose Zope, instead of, say, Turbine in a combination with Jetspeed, which much more "buzzword" (read Java) compliant. The recent instabilities and slow response times experienced with the zope.org site and the incomplete, possibly unstable, state of DCOracle, the Oracle adapter (and similar concerns with some other needed Zope Products) has been raising some questions of the suitability of Zope for this kind of project. On the other hand, I fail to see an alternative to Zope; of course there are better CMS'es, better development platforms, better Oracle support elsewhere, and so on, but neither of those systems has the combination of integrated features and modularity of Zope. I am very interested in talking, even building a Zope SIG, with more people that interested in these issues. The traffic on the main Zope list is too heavy, and I feel this issue is better of maintained in a parallel list. I also would like to know if there is interest from Digital Creations in this matter. What do you people think? Feed(back) me! :) Sincerely, /dario - -------- Dario Lopez-Kästen Systems Developer Chalmers Univ. of Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ will yield no hitsIT Systems & Services ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Zope + Java & java Beans ??
Hello! Can I use Java with Zope? Can I call Java methods, beans from Zope/Python? Many thanks, /dario - Dario Lopez-Kästen Systems Developer Chalmers Univ. of Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ will yield no hitsIT Systems & Services ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Fw: [cms-list] eMedicine, Inc. Receives Patent for Internet Publishing Software
as seen on cms list. Would this affect Zope in any way? /dario - Original Message - >From: "Evan Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Interesting: > - > Information Today: http://www.infotoday.com/it/oct00/news14.htm > "eMedicine, Inc. (http://www.emedicine.com), the medical-education network > and developer of the first online peer-reviewed medical reference series, > has announced that the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office has granted a patent > to the company's proprietary Group Publishing System (GPS) software. The GPS > enables collaborative, enterprisewide publishing and allows authors and > editors to create large, multi-author projects-online content, journals, > books, and manuals-entirely on the Internet. >"Jeff Berezin, chief technical officer and architect of the GPS system, > said: 'The software is unique-it is the only enterprise software that allows > all production to take place on the Internet. The system allows authoring > and editing within the GPS environment or through word-processing programs > like Word.' Software engineer Joanne Berezin, who co-developed the system, > said, 'Our system is a complete authoring, editing, and version-control > system with complete management-tracking tools and a built-in communications > network.'" > - > > -- > Subscribe: http://www.camworld.com/cms/ > More Info: http://cms.filsa.net/ > Post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Any Swedish/Nordic Zope Users?
Hello! I am curious to see if there are any Swedish and/or Nordic users of Zope on this list. Cheers, /dario - Dario Lopez-Kästen Systems Developer Chalmers Univ. of Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ will yield no hitsIT Systems & Services ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] DCOracle Connection with Oracle 8.0.5
>From: "Celio C. Guimaraes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> 1) In order to connect successfully I had to drop the @sid parameter:
> dbc=DCOracle.Connect('scott/tiger@ora8')
> returns with error: ORA-12154 : TNS: could not resolve service name
>
> 2) I would like to connect to a remote oracle server. In this case the
> @sid parameter is essential.
> How could this problem be fixed? Is it a simple parsing problem in
> the oci_8.c Logon routine?
> which is the correct string to pe passed?
> @myserver.ic.unicamp.br:ora8 did not work either!
you have your tnsnames.ora file setup wrong. tha @host part is an "alias"
that oracle client uses to identify the hostmachine and instance you are
connecting to. The "alias" is defined in the tnsnames.ora file. If you need
help with it, contact me off list.
/dario
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Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
>From: "Toby Dickenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > If that is your motivation then you may find that you get *more* back > by not using the GPL. My contributions to Zope (both personal and on > company time) are fairly significant in total, and would not have > happened if Zope was under a GPL license. > but is that because you personally don't like/endorse the GPL for what-ever-reason or is it because the GPL actually prevents this? and if so, could you please elaborate? /dario ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill
- Original Message - From: "Nils Kassube" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Magnus Alvestad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope and the GPL poison pill > Magnus Alvestad wrote: > > > Third, you are only obligated to distribute source to parties you have > > already distributed the binary version to. I can't really see a > > customer buying a zope site from you and not expecting 'source' > > anyway. > > The problem is not that a client who paid for custom development > will get the source. It's the fact that you have to release the > source code of an enhanced GPL'ed component (and possibly stuff > built with it) for everyone else, too. so, your main problem here is that you take someone elses work, modify it to suit your needs under a license that *specifically* grants you those rights, and then, when you want to distribute your modifications, you find yourself in a bad position, because it will mean that you would have to give everybody else the same rights that allowed you to distribute a modification of someone elses work, in the first place? In other words, you don't mind being the "sharee", but do not wish to be the "sharer", particularely when it somes to work that others have "shared" to you? To shout bloody murder because of this is to REALLY expose one self, don't you think? To me, this is the ultimately reason to have the GPL around. It helps us ensure that all that want to profit from our work but have no interest in returning the favor will have to turn elsewhere or actually do some of the grundwork themsleves. Mind you that my english is not too good, so there might be som parts of this thread that I have not fully understood or that I may have got completely wrong; if so, fell free to enlighten me. Sincerely, /dario - Dario Lopez-Kästen Systems Developer Chalmers Univ. of Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ will yield no hitsIT Systems & Services ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] binary math & filesize
> Kapil Thangavelu wrote: > > > http://www.zope.org/Members/ZQR > > > > get size in kbs assuming its an int > > > > > > > > pedantically yours, > -- > ethan mindlace fremen > Zopatista Community Liason > Abnegate I! actually it turns out to be get_size and getSize do not work for files (for reasons unknown to me; I am a Zope newbie :-). haven't tried for any other objects. Anybody knows more about the DateTime issues I posted about earlier? /dario - -------- Dario Lopez-Kästen Systems Developer Chalmers Univ. of Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ will yield no hitsIT Systems & Services ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Could someone explain this DateTime behaviour to me?
> What version of Zope are you using? > > Various timezone bugs in DateTime.py were fixed in the latest version of > Zope. Zope 2.2.1 source release /dario ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Could someone explain this DateTime behaviour to me?
AS in is this the expected/intended behaviour or could this be classified as
a bug?
---
bobobase_modification_time
2000/09/02 08:49:48.326 GMT+2
bobobase_modification_time().toZone('GMT+2')
2000/09/02 12:49:48.326 GMT+2
bobobase_modification_time fmt="%Y-%m-%d %H:%M"
2000-09-02 12:49
---
Thanks,
/dario
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[Zope] Help with calcualtions in DTML
Hello! I have the following listing of objects in my folder: Name Size date bytes It gives me the name of the object, the size in bytes and the modification time in GMT. I need to do the following: express the size in kb, format the output with spaces for thousands. I also need the date displayed according to my locale (+2 GMT in Sweden) so if bobobase_modification_time is 10:48, I need to show it as 8:48, and on top of that I also need to take dayligth savings into account. How do I do it? The fmt strings are abviously adjusted to US standards, so us ISO-people need to hack our own format strings :-). I know i could calculate the size in KB myself IF I only knew how to get the get_size attribute into a calculation expression (that goes for bobobase_modification_time as well, however this returns as string. How do I get the date as a date?) Any help is appreciated and needed. Thank you. /dario PS: has anyone been thinking of renaming bobobase_modification_time to something shorter and more intuitive, like, say, modification_time? :-)) - Dario Lopez-Kästen Systems Developer Chalmers Univ. of Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ will yield no hitsIT Systems & Services ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] FTP crashing Zope?
Hello! I have latest Zope, buitl from source on a RedHat 6.2 machine. Using FTP Explorer I crashed (killed) my Zope instance while ftping in to port 8021. This was achieved by not setting FTP Explorer to use PASSIVe connections. Using Passive it works like a charm. Is this a bug in latest Zope (2.2.1) or is this expected behaviour? If, the latter is the case, what can I do to a) turn off FTP access, b) make sure that my Zope is up and running automagically after a crash? Thnx /Dario ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] SV: [Zope] Oracle ZODB + Thanks
I am also interested in Oracle ZODB I also would like to take the opportunity to thank eveybody that helped clear the Zope & DB performace questions I had the other week. Thank you all, it was most helpfull. Sincerely, /dario - Original Message - From: Satheesh Babu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 7:36 PM Subject: [Zope] Oracle ZODB (Paul's talk in Paris) > Hi folks, > > I read the mail about EuroZope conference. Notes on > Paul's speech says "they have an Oracle ZODB backend. > They have deployed it. Pending documentation..." > > Way to go DC! > > WHERE IS IT? > > I searched in CVS, couldn't find it at all... If anyone > can point me towards this, it'll be greatly appreciated? > ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Defining High Load in Heavily DB Driven site (was: [Zope] zope2.2.0 and what is high load)
Hello! I need to find more info on how Zope handles threading with relation to database connections. I am currently considering and evaluating Zope as one of the options we have to build a really large, completely databasedriven "enterprise scale" web-platform. I am a bit worried about this "maximum of 7 threads per db connection" limitation mentioned previously, and I need to know a) what does this mean in terms of accesibility, b) how does it affect performace, and c) how does Zope work (in detail) with external database connections. We are going to be using Oracle as our DB backend, all our served data will be database *only* (some of it will be fairly large), and efficient database connections is *crucial* to what we intend to do. We are going to have between 10-20k users at most and I expect the maximun of simultaneous connections to be beween 400 - 900 under heavy load; "normal load" will probably oscillate around 25-200 simultaneous connections (these numbers are crude guesses, but take into account increased usage over time as more services are provided in the future). Bandwith problems are not an issue, nor is computing power. I would appreciate any pointers to documentation or people to ask. Sincerely, /dario - ------------ Dario Lopez-Kästen Systems Developer Chalmers Univ. of Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ will yield no hitsIT Systems & Services ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
