Re: [Zope] Documentation and Books
On 4/21/06, Erik Billing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The Plone version which I was speaking about, at http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition, is version 2.7 and is as far as I've seen the same as v. 2.7 at zope.org, except for the reader comments of course. The book may of course have bin updated consciously but left the comments from 2002, for example in the "Extending zope" chapter, intact. Anyway, it doesn't really matter, my point was just that it doesn't look that good. /Erik let's fix that. afaik, the development was done and stalled after some time, for the lack of time, resources, etc. if others would like to help, i'm sure Chris M will gladly accept. get the files, edit, extend, add, etc and send to chris for inclusion. also, another notable book is dieters zope book. google for it hth On 4/20/06, Dieter Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Erik Billing wrote at 2006-4-19 23:04 +0200:>Yes, the developers guide I've seen, and the Zope Book of course, they are>both pretty good I guess, but certainly the Zope book seams pretty outdated>if you ask me. You must look at the 2.7 edition of the Zope book (online).--Dieter -- http://myzope.kedai.com.my - my-zope org ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Documentation and Books
The Plone version which I was speaking about, at http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition, is version 2.7 and is as far as I've seen the same as v. 2.7 at zope.org, except for the reader comments of course. The book may of course have bin updated consciously but left the comments from 2002, for example in the "Extending zope" chapter, intact. Anyway, it doesn't really matter, my point was just that it doesn't look that good. /ErikOn 4/20/06, Dieter Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Erik Billing wrote at 2006-4-19 23:04 +0200:>Yes, the developers guide I've seen, and the Zope Book of course, they are>both pretty good I guess, but certainly the Zope book seams pretty outdated>if you ask me. You must look at the 2.7 edition of the Zope book (online).--Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Documentation and Books
Erik Billing wrote at 2006-4-19 23:04 +0200: >Yes, the developers guide I've seen, and the Zope Book of course, they are >both pretty good I guess, but certainly the Zope book seams pretty outdated >if you ask me. You must look at the 2.7 edition of the Zope book (online). -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Documentation and Books
Ok, I found the reference to ZopeWiki under Zope Exits on zope.org, stupid of me to not look around properly before I start complaining. :P /ErikOn 4/19/06, Erik Billing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, the developers guide I've seen, and the Zope Book of course, they are both pretty good I guess, but certainly the Zope book seams pretty outdated if you ask me. I found several unanswered comments in the plone version of the book which were from 2002, it does not that look good if you are a new user and think that you are reading the main documentation of zope. Anyhow, the ZopeWiki seams to be great, I'm surprised that I didn't find any link from zope.org! Thanx you all for your answers. I guess I will have a lot to dig into before I guy a book anyway =) /ErikOn 4/19/06, Dieter Maurer < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bakhtiar A Hamid wrote at 2006-4-19 13:54 +0800:>On 4/19/06, Erik Billing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...>> By the way, I'm surprised how little zope documentation I've found on the >> web. I'm missing a complete API reference for example. And is there a living>> Wiki available somewhere? If not, why not start one? http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition>and zopewiki,orgAnd the "Zope Developper Guide" (online).--Dieter___Zope maillist - Zope@zope.orghttp://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Documentation and Books
Yes, the developers guide I've seen, and the Zope Book of course, they are both pretty good I guess, but certainly the Zope book seams pretty outdated if you ask me. I found several unanswered comments in the plone version of the book which were from 2002, it does not that look good if you are a new user and think that you are reading the main documentation of zope. Anyhow, the ZopeWiki seams to be great, I'm surprised that I didn't find any link from zope.org! Thanx you all for your answers. I guess I will have a lot to dig into before I guy a book anyway =) /ErikOn 4/19/06, Dieter Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bakhtiar A Hamid wrote at 2006-4-19 13:54 +0800:>On 4/19/06, Erik Billing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> ...>> By the way, I'm surprised how little zope documentation I've found on the >> web. I'm missing a complete API reference for example. And is there a living>> Wiki available somewhere? If not, why not start one? http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition>and zopewiki,orgAnd the "Zope Developper Guide" (online).--Dieter___Zope maillist - Zope@zope.orghttp://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope** No cross posts or HTML encoding! **(Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Documentation and Books
Bakhtiar A Hamid wrote at 2006-4-19 13:54 +0800: >On 4/19/06, Erik Billing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... >> By the way, I'm surprised how little zope documentation I've found on the >> web. I'm missing a complete API reference for example. And is there a living >> Wiki available somewhere? If not, why not start one? >> > >http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition >and zopewiki,org And the "Zope Developper Guide" (online). -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Documentation and Books
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 01:54:19PM +0800, Bakhtiar A Hamid wrote: > On 4/19/06, Erik Billing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I quite recently began looking at Zope and now I'm looking for a good book > > on the subject. I'm fairly familiar with both Python and webapp development > > in general, so I'm looking for a book covering pretty much everything about > > Zope I need to know, rather then an introduction. I've read a few reviews on > > Amazon and Web Component Development with Zope 3 seams to be a good > > choice. > > > > Does anyone have another to recommend? > > > > By the way, I'm surprised how little zope documentation I've found on the > > web. I'm missing a complete API reference for example. And is there a living > > Wiki available somewhere? If not, why not start one? > > > > http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition > and zopewiki,org ... which are both great, and both about zope 2. (Well, there is a small amount of stuff about zope 3 in zopewiki.org, hopefully there will be more.) For Zope 3, both the available print books are pretty good, but you need to know going in that some things are already out of date; for example, Services no longer exist, there are only Utilities. The general concepts still apply. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Documentation and Books
On 4/19/06, Erik Billing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I quite recently began looking at Zope and now I'm looking for a good book on the subject. I'm fairly familiar with both Python and webapp development in general, so I'm looking for a book covering pretty much everything about Zope I need to know, rather then an introduction. I've read a few reviews on Amazon and Web Component Development with Zope 3 seams to be a good choice. Does anyone have another to recommend? By the way, I'm surprised how little zope documentation I've found on the web. I'm missing a complete API reference for example. And is there a living Wiki available somewhere? If not, why not start one? http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition and zopewiki,org hth Any tips on good recourses are greatly appreciated. ..Erik ___Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope** No cross posts or HTML encoding! **(Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )-- http://myzope.kedai.com.my - my-zope org ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Documentation and Books
I quite recently began looking at Zope and now I'm looking for a good book on the subject. I'm fairly familiar with both Python and webapp development in general, so I'm looking for a book covering pretty much everything about Zope I need to know, rather then an introduction. I've read a few reviews on Amazon and Web Component Development with Zope 3 seams to be a good choice. Does anyone have another to recommend? By the way, I'm surprised how little zope documentation I've found on the web. I'm missing a complete API reference for example. And is there a living Wiki available somewhere? If not, why not start one? Any tips on good recourses are greatly appreciated. ..Erik ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
