Re: [Zope] zope 3 invisibility
(Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 04:31:51AM -0400) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote/schrieb/egrapse: From: Carlos de la Guardia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...One of the things that I talk about in that post is that the Zope community tends to interact more through its mailing lists than its blogs, as opposed to other so-called modern frameworks, like Django and Turbogears. This list is here to help with technical problems. In general I would say it's very good at it. It doesn't really seem to exist for community building. If it was here for that, I wouldn't be here and I believe many others the same. ... That's why I decided to see if anyone on this list feels like commenting about this, Thank $DEITY people don't just express how they feel when someone comes here with a problem. From: Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zope] Re: Problems starting ZEO with zeoctl This fixed it. See? This is the kind of response this list solitices as an end result. Blogs are fine (I'm blogging myself), but they do an entirely different job than a mailing list. If you haven't understood that, you have a problem with blogging and/or mailing lists. People write on their blogs when they want to express their oppinion or when they want to drop a technical article. They write on the mailing list when their blog software breaks down. So I feel your weighting up of mailing lists and blogs is invalid :-) Regards, Sascha ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] zope 3 invisibility
Thanks for sharing your 'feelings', Sascha. I agree that this list works very well.Don't worry, I won't be moving my blog here anytime soon ;)I don't think I have a problem distinguishing blogs and mailing lists. In fact, I mostly agree with your definitions, but I'm not the first to use the list as a means to talk to the community about something not technical, and the fact that I received a handful of responses proves that not everybody is opposed to that. After all, the question was about the list itself. I will of course not abuse this mechanism and will take into account what you have said. Thanks very much.Carlos de la GuardiaThis list is here to help with technical problems. In general I would say it's very good at it. It doesn't really seem to exist for communitybuilding. If it was here for that, I wouldn't be here and I believe manyothers the same That's why I decided to see if anyone on this list feels like commenting about this,Thank $DEITY people don't just express how they feel when someone comeshere with a problem.From: Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Zope] Re: Problems starting ZEO with zeoctl This fixed it.See? This is the kind of response this list solitices as an end result.Blogs are fine (I'm blogging myself), but they do an entirely different job than a mailing list. If you haven't understood that, you have aproblem with blogging and/or mailing lists. People write on their blogswhen they want to express their oppinion or when they want to drop a technical article. They write on the mailing list when their blogsoftware breaks down.So I feel your weighting up of mailing lists and blogs is invalid :-)Regards,Sascha ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] zope 3 invisibility
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6 Sep 2006, at 02:04, Fred Drake wrote: On 9/5/06, Carlos de la Guardia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I frequently blog about Zope, and recently posted a list of 10 reasons why I think Zope 3 is kind of invisible to the Python community (see my blog at http://blog.delaguardia.com.mx ). One of the things that I talk about in that post is that the Zope community tends to interact more through its mailing lists than its blogs, as opposed to other so-called modern frameworks, like Django and Turbogears. Interesting. I've always considered blogs to be fairly invisible since I have to go look for them, whereas for mailing lists I can sign up for things I'm interested in. Exactly. This is a matter of taste, nothing else. Mailing list email comes to me. Blogs I have to seek out and go there. Sorry, too much effort for much hot air of dubious quality ;) jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE/od4RAx5nvEhZLIRAs05AJsEn9oF9rU6Q7FuecshiJymRgwW0ACfe4Tk 5Esm73+twRT07ESeNMu3Yyc= =uRqt -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] zope 3 invisibility
--On 6. September 2006 10:31:51 +0200 Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6 Sep 2006, at 02:04, Fred Drake wrote: On 9/5/06, Carlos de la Guardia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I frequently blog about Zope, and recently posted a list of 10 reasons why I think Zope 3 is kind of invisible to the Python community (see my blog at http://blog.delaguardia.com.mx ). One of the things that I talk about in that post is that the Zope community tends to interact more through its mailing lists than its blogs, as opposed to other so-called modern frameworks, like Django and Turbogears. Interesting. I've always considered blogs to be fairly invisible since I have to go look for them, whereas for mailing lists I can sign up for things I'm interested in. Exactly. This is a matter of taste, nothing else. Mailing list email comes to me. Blogs I have to seek out and go there. Sorry, too much effort for much hot air of dubious quality ;) That's why we have blog aggregation like on planet.plone.org or planet.zope.org. There is of course also noise but you have noise also in mailinglists. -aj pgpf52mZTXbN2.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] zope 3 invisibility
Hello everyone,I frequently blog about Zope, and recently posted a list of 10 reasons why I think Zope 3 is kind of invisible to the Python community (see my blog at http://blog.delaguardia.com.mx ). One of the things that I talk about in that post is that the Zope community tends to interact more through its mailing lists than its blogs, as opposed to other so-called modern frameworks, like Django and Turbogears. I have been following the efforts of the Zope 3 developers and sometimes wonder why this invisibility effect takes place. That's why I decided to see if anyone on this list feels like commenting about this, or any of my other 10 points. I am very interested in the dynamics of the Zope community and the place of Zope in the larger Python community, and would be very thankful for any comments, here or on the blog. Thanks very much.Carlos de la Guardia ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] zope 3 invisibility
David H wrote: Carlos de la Guardia wrote: Hello everyone, I frequently blog about Zope, and recently posted a list of 10 reasons why I think Zope 3 is kind of invisible to the Python community (see my blog at http://blog.delaguardia.com.mx ). One of the things that I talk about in that post is that the Zope community tends to interact more through its mailing lists than its blogs, as opposed to other so-called modern frameworks, like Django and Turbogears. I have been following the efforts of the Zope 3 developers and sometimes wonder why this invisibility effect takes place. That's why I decided to see if anyone on this list feels like commenting about this, or any of my other 10 points. I am very interested in the dynamics of the Zope community and the place of Zope in the larger Python community, and would be very thankful for any comments, here or on the blog. Thanks very much. Carlos de la Guardia My invisibility with Zope 3 is Zope 2. When I think of something Zope 2 is failing to provide I will try Zope 3 . I see Django and Turbogears as "toys" by comparison :-) David ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] zope 3 invisibility
On 9/5/06, Carlos de la Guardia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I frequently blog about Zope, and recently posted a list of 10 reasons why I think Zope 3 is kind of invisible to the Python community (see my blog at http://blog.delaguardia.com.mx ). One of the things that I talk about in that post is that the Zope community tends to interact more through its mailing lists than its blogs, as opposed to other so-called modern frameworks, like Django and Turbogears. Interesting. I've always considered blogs to be fairly invisible since I have to go look for them, whereas for mailing lists I can sign up for things I'm interested in. -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr.fdrake at gmail.com Every sin is the result of a collaboration. --Lucius Annaeus Seneca ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
