[Zope-dev] What have I done so far?
On 5/21/13 11:57 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: What have you done so far and what did you contribute so far? I have downloaded and installed ZTFY, and given Thierry lots of feedback. Perhaps I even changed his direction more towards wikis as a ZTFY application, instead of blogs. We will see what happens. That is a marketing activity, not a software development activity, on my part. I have created most of wiki.ztfy.org Documenting open source software is a great way to understand it. I have created a high level introduction into the the packages in ZTK http://www.zopache.com/ZTK_Package I have figured out the market niche for ZTFY. Sure it is a blog and CMS. But there are many of those. It is an extensible blog and CMS. Because it is based on ZCA, it is more flexible than existing CMS. If Plone meets your needs, perfect, use it. But if you find Plone not sufficiently flexible, then it makes sense to move to ZTFY. The announcement is ready to go out. Over the last two weeks, I have persuaded a developer to use ZTFY as his content management application server for javascript applications. That makes him the third user of ztfy. And I tell you the first few users are by far the hardest ones to get. The rest come much faster. I helped him through the blue bream hello world demo. Actually I figured out the bug in the tutorial. http://www.zopache.com/HelloWorld I have contracted out the first release of Zopache http://zopache.com/RFP_Intro That page also covers the detailed ongoing Specs of what I am building. And my consultant has downloaded and installed ztfy, and given Thierry his feedback. Which makes the consultant the 4th user of ztfy. I have been encouraging others to post on these mailing lists, and I have been answering questions on the mailing lists. And finally, with your help, we have made this mailing list much livelier. All good. But really your question of what I have contributed so far is quite hostile. If we want new users for ZTK, we should be much more friendly to people on these mailing lists. In fact the new ZTFY user posted on these mailing lists, I sent him a nice warm reply, soon we were talking, and now he is both committed to ZTFY and understands why it is the best choice in the market for his needs. I totally understand that there is way too much work to be done here. That is why I am looking for consultants to contract it out to. Actually that is why I am being really nice to newbies, in the hope that they will join and contribute. This new guy does not like Page Templates. He wants to use Jinja2. I pointed him towards Megrok.Jinja. I am optimistic that he will migrate megrok.jinja to ztfy because he needs it for his own purposes. We have already walked through the code There are a few grok imports we still have to figure out how to get rid of. http://www.zopache.com/RFP_Jinja2 See how easy it is to bring people into the fold! I encourage you to be nice to others. It works! And then when they need to, they contribute open source software. It is the only way it happens. Thanks again for the help with the Javascript question! Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ZCA for javascript
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Christopher Lozinski lozin...@freerecruiting.com wrote: ZCA is very interesting stuff. I got a call today from a client who wants to do an extensible application in Javacript. I instantly thought, we could do ZCA in Javascript. And while not many people likes ZODB servers, they all love Javascript clients. Has anyone done something like this? Is anyone interested in doing something like this? What do you think Although I'm sure it is possible to make a generic component architecture in Javascript I highly doubt that it makes sense. JS is almost all about UI and DOM manipulation, and having something as abstract as a generic component framework for that may be an abstraction too far. So what you want is a framework for making modular JS clients. And there are tons and tons of modular frameworks for making front-end apps in Javascript already. Creating another one probably doesn't make any sense, at least not until you can explain exactly why you can't use anyone of those that exist. //Lennart ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ZCA for javascript
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Like always: you're thoughtd and reasoning are years behind of what people actually do today or using nowadays. I remember your pointless discussions on ZClasses - years ago, years after we kicked ZClasses completely. We (I) dropped the ball on ZClasses. They were for an audience that was important in the early days of Zope and that we turned our backs on. IMO, he was right to champion them. I think if we'd paid attention, Zope would be more relevant today than it is now. I suggest to move on to a Javascript community and continue do discuss there. Nowaday we have framework like backbone.js, angular.js on the client for doing state-of-the-art client-side JS implementations. Or stuff like Obviel (from Martijn Faasen, a long time contributor of Zope). Don't take it personally but all your questions and communication over the last decade it based on very little technical insight and experience. Application design and decisions should be left to other persons. How can he not take it personally when you start and end by insulting him. Your response is inappropriate and mostly non-technical. If you're uninterested in his proposal, just be quiet. Maybe others are or it will die out. If you want to help by respectfully providing technical arguments, then that's fine too. Jim -- Jim Fulton http://www.linkedin.com/in/jimfulton ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ZCA for javascript
You may want to look at AngularJS and its injectors. regards Jens On 2013-05-22 01:52, Christopher Lozinski wrote: ZCA is very interesting stuff. I got a call today from a client who wants to do an extensible application in Javacript. I instantly thought, we could do ZCA in Javascript. And while not many people likes ZODB servers, they all love Javascript clients. Has anyone done something like this? Is anyone interested in doing something like this? What do you think And forgive me if this is not strictly speaking about zope development, but this email list is certainly the community of people who would be interested in this topic. And while we are discussing Javascript, which zope packages should I be using for Javascript development and templating? Megrok.Jinja? Regards Christopher Lozinski -- Klein Partner KG, member of BlueDynamics Alliance ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] zope-tests - FAILED: 3, OK: 12
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 09:45:52AM -0400, Tres Seaver wrote: On 05/21/2013 06:28 AM, Marius Gedminas wrote: [2]winbot / ZEO_py_265_32 One failure: File c:\buildslave\zeo\build\src\ZEO\tests\testZEO.py, line 1162, in ZEO.tests.testZEO.client_has_newer_data_than_server Failed example: len(client_errors) = 2 Expected: True Got: False This is another place where I have tweaked the test code, trying to remove race conditions: the test is trying to make assertionas about errors being logged, and does a bunch of sleeping trying to ensure that enough stuff gets logged. Again, it is a bad test, and not a real issue with the code being tested. I couldn't reproduce this on my laptop (using detox), but I managed to get Python 3.2 tests to deadlock (40 minutes and still running, with 0% CPU usage). I see that the tests also deadlock on Travis: https://travis-ci.org/zopefoundation/ZEO/builds/7364121 (And I see that Travis doesn't currently run Python 3 tests for ZEO master. I'll fix that.) Marius Gedminas -- http://pov.lt/ -- Zope 3/BlueBream consulting and development signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Buildout performance improvements
Hello, Few years ago I made a branch of buildout: http://svn.zope.org/zc.buildout/branches/sylvain-distribution-cache/ That creates a cache during the installation of the dependencies preventing buildout to recompute this an exponential number of times. The relevant changes can be summarized here (please ignore the Jython changes, I don't know why they were removed): http://svn.zope.org/zc.buildout/branches/sylvain-distribution-cache/src/zc/buildout/easy_install.py?rev=95445r1=95404r2=95445 I didn't advertise my changes because of the following facts: - it didn't support multiple working_set using different versions of the same egg, which was possible at the time, - it didn't support multiple versions of Python, which was possible at the time, - it didn't seems to integrate well with the direction that was taking zc.buildout 1.5. I now use zc.buildout 2 and in its README it actually agree with all those facts, so I am basically asking, do you think and/or want me propose a patch to zc.buildout 2 on github, with this global download_cache integrated ? I realize that a global cache sucks, but given the code base, it is difficult not making it global. Regards, Sylvain, -- Sylvain Viollon -- Infrae t +31 10 243 7051 -- http://infrae.com Hoevestraat 10 3033GC Rotterdam -- The Netherlands ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] zope-tests - FAILED: 3, OK: 12
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 09:45:52AM -0400, Tres Seaver wrote: On 05/21/2013 06:28 AM, Marius Gedminas wrote: [1]Still Failing - zopetoolkit_trunk - Build # 270 One zope.session failure: File /var/lib/jenkins/jobs/zopetoolkit_trunk/workspace/src/zope.session/src/zope/session/http.py, line 442, in zope.session.http.CookieClientIdManager.setRequestId Failed example: expires now + timedelta(0, 55 * 60) Expected: True Got: False Hmm, I changed that yesterday because the old test code (using 'time.mktime') was failiing on my box, likely due to an odd mix of naive and GMT times. The *actual* cookie being set by the code-under-test is correct -- we just have a problem writing good assertinos about it. I can reproduce this. Looks like the error only shows up when the system timezone is east of the prime meridian (e.g. Europe/Vilnius or Europe/London -- at least during summer; the error went away with TZ set to America/New_York or UTC). Marius Gedminas -- http://pov.lt/ -- Zope 3/BlueBream consulting and development signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Buildout performance improvements
Op 22 mei 2013, om 14:51 heeft Sylvain Viollon het volgende geschreven: Hello, Hello, Few years ago I made a branch of buildout: http://svn.zope.org/zc.buildout/branches/sylvain-distribution-cache/ That creates a cache during the installation of the dependencies preventing buildout to recompute this an exponential number of times. The relevant changes can be summarized here (please ignore the Jython changes, I don't know why they were removed): http://svn.zope.org/zc.buildout/branches/sylvain-distribution-cache/src/zc/buildout/easy_install.py?rev=95445r1=95404r2=95445 I didn't advertise my changes because of the following facts: - it didn't support multiple working_set using different versions of the same egg, which was possible at the time, - it didn't support multiple versions of Python, which was possible at the time, - it didn't seems to integrate well with the direction that was taking zc.buildout 1.5. I now use zc.buildout 2 and in its README it actually agree with all those facts, so I am basically asking, do you think and/or want me propose a patch to zc.buildout 2 on github, with this global download_cache integrated ? I realize that a global cache sucks, but given the code base, it is difficult not making it global. I made a fork of buildout on github with an even better implementation: https://github.com/thefunny42/buildout/compare/buildout:master...master Feedback is welcome and if you want me to press the push request, please do. On the Silva buildout, rerunning buildout without changing anything goes from 63.81s to 33.75s (most of the time is now mr.developer). Regards, Sylvain, -- Sylvain Viollon -- Infrae t +31 10 243 7051 -- http://infrae.com Hoevestraat 10 3033GC Rotterdam -- The Netherlands ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Buildout performance improvements
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Sylvain Viollon sylv...@infrae.com wrote: Hello, I made a fork of buildout on github with an even better implementation: https://github.com/thefunny42/buildout/compare/buildout:master...master Feedback is welcome and if you want me to press the push request, please do. Why on zope-dev and not buildout-developm...@googlegroups.com? -- Sebastien Douche sdou...@gmail.com Twitter: @sdouche / G+: +sdouche ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] zope-tests - FAILED: 2, OK: 12
This is the summary for test reports received on the zope-tests list between 2013-05-21 00:00:00 UTC and 2013-05-22 00:00:00 UTC: See the footnotes for test reports of unsuccessful builds. An up-to date view of the builders is also available in our buildbot documentation: http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/process/buildbots.html#the-nightly-builds Reports received [1]Still Failing - zopetoolkit_trunk - Build # 272 [2]winbot / ZEO_py_265_32 winbot / ZODB_dev py_265_win32 winbot / ZODB_dev py_265_win64 winbot / ZODB_dev py_270_win32 winbot / ZODB_dev py_270_win64 winbot / ztk_10 py_254_win32 winbot / ztk_10 py_265_win32 winbot / ztk_10 py_265_win64 winbot / ztk_11 py_254_win32 winbot / ztk_11 py_265_win32 winbot / ztk_11 py_265_win64 winbot / ztk_11 py_270_win32 winbot / ztk_11 py_270_win64 Non-OK results -- [1]FAILED Still Failing - zopetoolkit_trunk - Build # 272 https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2013-May/075110.html [2]FAILED winbot / ZEO_py_265_32 https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2013-May/075109.html ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
