Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: Its not. Its a lot easier to find answers to my questions though at the Apple's support discussion boards, when I have an Apple issue, rather than searching Google because I'm searching through very specific content, not the web in general and therefore get more accurate results and a faster resolution. Hmmm, well, in the case of Zope, I honestly think you get better results if you _do_ use Google because you're not only limiting your search to Zope.org, which isn't usually the best source for information... Why should it be on zope.org? Um, because it's useful information about Zope, which is sort of what Zope.org is about? Well, I don't know if that _is_ what zope.org is about anymore. It's been so poor for so long that people have found or created other resources and those aren't going to go away even if zope.org did suddenly become magically better ;-) The Web Site for the Zope Community (...who are currently discussing Zope at various other places on the web). Thanks for visiting. :) Well, point taken, but I really think zope.org should be a gateway to those existing resources. If, at a later stage, those resources want to migrate back to zope.org, then great, but until then, lets leave them be... cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: Damn. This really is very good. Would there be any problem with just replacing the main_template and Products page on Zope.rog with this design? I already proposed to setup his design as an alternative skin in zope.org for *testing* with the current content to Tom - he did not comment on that. Sounds good to me, what do I need to do? I'm happy to edit/create ZPT as necessary. I think Michael already answered this below ;-) Nevertheless, even if we could use it as suggested, we'd need to make some changes (right column should be removed or replaced on non-Frontpage pages), styles should be defined along the current stylesheet, ... The tying in with existing styles will likely be the suckiest part. If you manage that, I think we all owe you beer! *grinz* Do you have the access rights you need to create a new zope.org skin? cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated
Chris Withers wrote: Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: Damn. This really is very good. Would there be any problem with just replacing the main_template and Products page on Zope.rog with this design? I already proposed to setup his design as an alternative skin in zope.org for *testing* with the current content to Tom - he did not comment on that. Sounds good to me, what do I need to do? I'm happy to edit/create ZPT as necessary. I think Michael already answered this below ;-) Nevertheless, even if we could use it as suggested, we'd need to make some changes (right column should be removed or replaced on non-Frontpage pages), styles should be defined along the current stylesheet, ... The tying in with existing styles will likely be the suckiest part. If you manage that, I think we all owe you beer! *grinz* Do you have the access rights you need to create a new zope.org skin? Almost all work is adjusting the stylesheets... I'd suggest we meet in IRC (#zope-web) and discuss next steps needed. Michael -- http://zope.org/Members/d2m http://planetzope.org ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated
On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 08:26 +0100, Chris Withers wrote: Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: Why should it be on zope.org? Um, because it's useful information about Zope, which is sort of what Zope.org is about? Well, I don't know if that _is_ what zope.org is about anymore. It's been so poor for so long that people have found or created other resources and those aren't going to go away even if zope.org did suddenly become magically better ;-) Zope.org shouldn't have any designs to do such. Good projects which have stepped up should be rewarded and encouraged. The Web Site for the Zope Community (...who are currently discussing Zope at various other places on the web). Thanks for visiting. :) Well, point taken, but I really think zope.org should be a gateway to those existing resources. If, at a later stage, those resources want to migrate back to zope.org, then great, but until then, lets leave them be... I agree, they should be positioned on zope.org as prominent resources. Zope.org should be about what's in svn.zope.org and the technology. Excellent docs, good introductory information (i.e. marketing speak) and downloads for those products in svn.zope.org All, IMNSHO, Andrew cheers, Chris ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated
On Mar 26, 2006, at 2:06 AM, Michael Haubenwallner wrote: Chris Withers wrote: Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: http://www.modscape.com/zope/v3/products_html Added a products page. Linked from the nav. Damn. This really is very good. Would there be any problem with just replacing the main_template and Products page on Zope.rog with this design? I already proposed to setup his design as an alternative skin in zope.org for *testing* with the current content to Tom - he did not comment on that. Sounds good to me, what do I need to do? I'm happy to edit/create ZPT as necessary. Nevertheless, even if we could use it as suggested, we'd need to make some changes (right column should be removed or replaced on non-Frontpage pages), styles should be defined along the current stylesheet, ... Michael -- http://zope.org/Members/d2m http://planetzope.org ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] V3 Updated
http://www.modscape.com/zope/v3/products_html Added a products page. Linked from the nav. ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: http://www.modscape.com/zope/v3/products_html Added a products page. Linked from the nav. Damn. This really is very good. Would there be any problem with just replacing the main_template and Products page on Zope.rog with this design? cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated
Chris Withers wrote: Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: http://www.modscape.com/zope/v3/products_html Added a products page. Linked from the nav. Damn. This really is very good. Would there be any problem with just replacing the main_template and Products page on Zope.rog with this design? I already proposed to setup his design as an alternative skin in zope.org for *testing* with the current content to Tom - he did not comment on that. Nevertheless, even if we could use it as suggested, we'd need to make some changes (right column should be removed or replaced on non-Frontpage pages), styles should be defined along the current stylesheet, ... Michael -- http://zope.org/Members/d2m http://planetzope.org ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: On the download page, Zope 2 should be above Zope 3. Really? I thought most people want to push Zope 3. Shouldn't the latest release be listed first? I really don't care on way or the other, just curious. Zope 2 is the more stable, tested release. I don't care what people want to push, end users should get hinted towards the most stable release ;-) Yeah, seems like no one likes the idea of message boards. My thinking was just that when I search for information I always go to Google before I'd ever search Zope.org. Why is that a problem? list threads posted online. It just seems like there's all of this valuable chatter that goes on about Zope that never gets to the Zope.org Why should it be on zope.org? cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated
On 3/23/06, Tom Von Lahndorff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was also thinking that there should be a discussion board on the site like Apple's support boards. I don't want both mailing lists and forums unless they can be integrated. -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I was also thinking that there should be a discussion board on the site like Apple's support boards. Many of the support questions answered on Apple's boards are from other customers. It's a nice one stop shop for questions and answers for those who may not want to subscribe to mailing list. It would be nice to have that option. http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa - -1 on Forums. There is no good forum software around for Zope which is fast and won't bog down the server, and it introduces a big software maintenance/editorial burden. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEInMhRAx5nvEhZLIRAjcJAJ0X/YpMIYwWStV3UA9oasJRbCeqRwCgho5M 48wFFJHkpIBsjalb7FGQX14= =t+6u -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: http://www.modscape.com/zope 03/22/06. Updated the homepage. Added the Zope 3 box. Created a download page. Click on Download Zope under Download in the nav. I don't like the big digits for 2 and 3, makes those images look really garish. On the download page, Zope 2 should be above Zope 3. Like everything else :-) I was also thinking that there should be a discussion board on the site like Apple's support boards. Many of the support questions answered on Apple's boards are from other customers. It's a nice one stop shop for questions and answers for those who may not want to subscribe to mailing list. It would be nice to have that option. http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa No, forums or mailing lists, not both. Mailing lists are already there, so forums suck ;-) A decent list of the lists available would rock, as would nice searchable archives. However, google and gmane take care of the latter requirement, which is hard to implement... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated
- I think fly out menus on Web pages just don't Feel Good (not to mention the debatable usability problems they might introduce[2]). See Mike D.'s comments on that article which pretty much sums up my rationale and implementation. Still not convinced, but that's just me. We don't have such a deep structure or information density, I would simply put a context navigation on the left (or right) for each section but not on the homepage, like on this two pages: http://www.mozilla.org/support/ http://www.mozilla.org/about/ Very simple. Not really. Just the opposite actually, confusing. My design is certainly more simple than mozilla's. Inconsistent page layout. I like sites that have a consistent layout throughout, including the homepage. It's confusing when the navigation changes on a page by page basis. In my case there's no scheme that the user has to *get*. Tonico ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated
Tom Von Lahndorff schrieb: - I think fly out menus on Web pages just don't Feel Good (not to mention the debatable usability problems they might introduce[2]). See Mike D.'s comments on that article which pretty much sums up my rationale and implementation. Still not convinced, but that's just me. We don't have such a deep structure or information density, I would simply put a context navigation on the left (or right) for each section but not on the homepage, like on this two pages: http://www.mozilla.org/support/ http://www.mozilla.org/about/ Very simple. Not really. Just the opposite actually, confusing. My design is certainly more simple than mozilla's. Inconsistent page layout. I like sites that have a consistent layout throughout, including the homepage. It's confusing when the navigation changes on a page by page basis. In my case there's no scheme that the user has to *get*. I agree that the consistency is a hight priority (nevertheless I find mozilla.org pretty user friendly). I also think a *visible* 2nd level navigation is very important for orientation. Maybe we agree on the basic question of a random visitor on a Web site: A) Where am I? B) Where do I come from (or how did I come here)? C) Where can I go from here? To answer B the page must either have a navigation system in which the context is obvious, or at least a breadcrumb navigation trail. If you have a visible 2nd (and maybe 3rd) level navigation the fly out menus become redundant. Note: I'm not saying that the navigation must change on different sections or that the fly out menus must be disabled to achieve this. Tonico ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] V3 Updated
http://www.modscape.com/zope 03/22/06. Updated the homepage. Added the Zope 3 box. Created a download page. Click on Download Zope under Download in the nav. Thanks for all of the comments. Keep 'em coming. A couple of people had mentioned the background was a bit dark so I've lightened it. It seems though that people are pretty happy with the general look and feel of the layout. I'd like to start drilling down into content at this point and this where I'll really need people's feedback, especially editorially. I want to try and keep the content simple and not make the assumption that visitors know what Zope is and what it does. I was also thinking that there should be a discussion board on the site like Apple's support boards. Many of the support questions answered on Apple's boards are from other customers. It's a nice one stop shop for questions and answers for those who may not want to subscribe to mailing list. It would be nice to have that option. http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
