Opinion

2020-04-24 Thread Kenneth Geiger via 4D_Tech
Hi all, I’m solicitating your opinions. I’ve picked-up a new 4D client. They have an existing 4D system (v12 running on Win7) that has been stagnant for quite e few years. I believe it was originally written under 2004 or maybe even 6.8.5. They’re looking to replace their computers with Win10

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2020-04-24 Thread Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech
First, I would not use windows 7 at all. I would move to windows 10 Second here are some potential ares of concern that you will need to deal with 1. Are there any sub-tables. If so I would recommend creating new tables and moving data in v 15 2. There are probably obsolete pictures in the db.

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2020-04-24 Thread Tom Benedict via 4D_Tech
Hi Ken, Does this app use 4D Write? If it does, and if you ever think this app will move beyond v17, you gotta think about 64 bit, if you haven’t already. Also, Chuck mentioned getting pictures converted, but there’s more to 64bit compatibility. Would be good to run a 64 bit compatibility audi

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2020-04-24 Thread Kenneth Geiger via 4D_Tech
Hi Chuck, Thanks! I totally agree with you and was anticipating these changes. I have just one really dumb question… In all my years using 4D, I have NEVER used a sub-table. Just how would I recognize if this structure includes and sub-tables? Regards, Ken > On Apr 24, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Chuck

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2020-04-24 Thread Charles Miller via 4D_Tech
You could write code and check each field in each table checking for type. I think field type 7 is a link to a sub table. If desired some ok me in my company can do this part for you as well as the code to unlink and update the data. I have done this before. I might even do this part in 12. Regard

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2020-04-24 Thread Kenneth Geiger via 4D_Tech
Hi Tom, No, it does not use 4D Write. And, yes, I am aware of the 64-bit issue. I’ve just been through this with two of my existing systems and am planning to address this with this system. I will run a 64-bit compatibility audit on it after replace the depreciated-stuff. This client is a non-p

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2020-04-24 Thread Aparajita Fishman via 4D_Tech
> On Apr 24, 2020, at 3:37 PM, 4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com wrote: > > I’ve got a Win7 environment Run, don’t walk, and upgrade to Windows 10. Windows 7 is abandoned, unpatched, insecure, and dangerous. Running Windows 7 is a huge welcome mat to hackers and ransomware. Firewalls and security s

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2020-04-24 Thread Kenneth Geiger via 4D_Tech
Thanks Aparajita, Yes, this is why I’m trying to get their 4D System to point where it will run on a version of 4D that is happy on Win10. The only reason I mentioned Win7 is if the consensus were to be that moving from 4D v12 directly to 4D v15 is too big a step, I would move it through v14 on

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2020-04-24 Thread Randy Kaempen via 4D_Tech
Ken, > On Apr 24, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Kenneth Geiger via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > Yes, this is why I’m trying to get their 4D System to point where it will run > on a version of 4D that is happy on Win10. The only reason I mentioned Win7 > is if the consensus were to be that m

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2020-04-24 Thread Kenneth Geiger via 4D_Tech
Hi Randa, Thanks much for your input. I never did very much with v14 at all. I guess it is time to stat biting the bullet! Regards, Ken > On Apr 24, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Randy Kaempen wrote: > > Ken, > >> On Apr 24, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Kenneth Geiger via 4D_Tech >> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

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2020-04-25 Thread Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech
A note: you can do all the things you need to do with pictures, UUIDs etc in v13 in preparation for v15+ > Ken, > >> On Apr 24, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Kenneth Geiger via 4D_Tech >> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: >> >> Yes, this is why I’m trying to get their 4D System to point where >> it will run

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2020-04-25 Thread Kenneth Geiger via 4D_Tech
Thanks to all for your opinions. I think I am well on way. > On Apr 25, 2020, at 9:40 PM, Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org> wrote: > > A note: you can do all the things you need to do with pictures, UUIDs etc in > v13 in preparation for v15+ > > >> Ken, >> >>> On Apr 24, 2020, at 6:41

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2020-04-26 Thread Paul Lovejoy via 4D_Tech
We have a big legacy system that started its life in 1990, so on the French version 4. It has been migrated through versions like 6.5, 6.8, 2003, 2004, v11, v12, v15 and now v17. We made the jump from v12 to v15. The biggest issues were getting the unique ids in place and removing 4D chart. We

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2020-04-26 Thread Kenneth Geiger via 4D_Tech
Hi Paul, Thanks for your insight. Fortunately, I do not have to worry about 4D Write. It looks like my biggest issue will be replacing “GRAPH TABLE” with GRAPH / SVG in two places. Stay safe and healthy! Ken > On Apr 26, 2020, at 5:39 AM, Paul Lovejoy wrote: > > We have a big legacy system